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November 2, 2009

FOLLOW THE LEADER.... The day before the closely-watched special election in New York's 23rd, Doug Hoffman decided to take some time to check in with his friend Glenn Beck.

It is not a casual connection. Lee Fang explained that Hoffman is one of a small number of congressional candidates to pledge his "sacred honor" to "uphold Glenn Beck's 9/12 Project principles in Congress."

And on Beck's radio show today, Hoffman continued to toe the line, assuring the host that he doesn't believe that climate change is "totally" the result of human activity. It prompted the host to proclaim, "He's getting stronger, there it is, every second."

It led to this rather striking exchange:

HOFFMAN: I have good mentors here.

GLENN: Wait, wait. Wait, wait. Are they mentors that will show...

HOFFMAN: I'm talking about you, Glenn.

GLENN: Oh, okay. I was going to say all right, as long as they are standing out from the shadows. [...]

HOFFMAN: No. Yeah, well, I'm going to keep in touch with people like you so I don't get infected with that disease.

So, the leading congressional candidate in New York's 23rd considers a deranged, self-described "rodeo clown" his "mentor"?

I guess Michele Bachmann and Steve King won't be lonely in the House Mad as a Hatter Caucus meetings.

Steve Benen 4:55 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (17)

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OMG, is this guy an actual adult?

Posted by: JJC on November 2, 2009 at 5:07 PM | PERMALINK

Things you don't learn in Kindergarten

OMG, is this guy an actual adult?

No he is still in kindergarten.

Doesn't believe in global warming...
Thinks demons are in Halloween candy...
Thinks guns on Amtrak are a good thing...
But Amtrak itself is a bad thing...
Watches a lot of Murdoch TeeVee...
You get the picture:
Just your typical everyday American loon.
The dregs in the bottle of the barrel of Empire.
And yes he is going to Congress!
He will do the place proud...

Posted by: koreyel on November 2, 2009 at 5:17 PM | PERMALINK

I think that Scozzafava is very confused and angry.
A very likely result if she does NOT drop out of the race is that Owens ( the democrat) wins. This
is because
the overwhelming majority of NY-23, which is republican, is split between
her and Hoffman. Owens picks up the remaining 37% and wins.
So, she drops out. The likely result will be that Hoffman
gets some large fraction of those voters who would have voted for her, and HE wins.

But Hoffman, instead of saying thank-you, sticks his finger in her eye, so she gets
mad and now wants to get even. Too late. The best way to get even would be to
stay in the race.

Throwing full in with Owens may succeed in giving the race to Owens, but it just expresses her confusion over what she wanted to have happen when she dropped
out in the first place.

Posted by: catclub on November 2, 2009 at 5:33 PM | PERMALINK

Hoffman is one of a small number of congressional candidates to pledge his "sacred honor" to "uphold Glenn Beck's 9/12 Project principles in Congress."

As long as it's only his sacred honor, I guess that's okay. I'm not sure exactly what honor means to a group of people willing to lie all the time to get what they want, but it doesn't sound like a big deal. I was worried he was saving his virginity for Beck, and we wouldn't want someone giving that up at the first sign of a Vick's Vapo Rub-induced tear.

Posted by: Shalimar on November 2, 2009 at 5:43 PM | PERMALINK

A very likely result if she does NOT drop out of the race is that Owens (the democrat) wins.

You say that like you have some evidence that it's true. Yes, Hoffman is basically a far-right Republican so Scozzafava's voters could vote for the person her party is now saying to vote for. On the other hand, there isn't much of a difference between Scozzafava and Owens on most issues whereas there is a large enough difference between Scozzafava and Hoffman to cause the tea party crowd to go nuts over her candidacy. So her voters could just as easily switch to the candidate closer to her ideologically. I have no idea which will happen, and I haven't seen a single expert say there is enough evidence to predict either.

Posted by: Shalimar on November 2, 2009 at 5:51 PM | PERMALINK

"So her voters could just as easily switch to the candidate closer to her ideologically." Shalimar @ 5:51 PM.

Or just stay home...

Posted by: Doug on November 2, 2009 at 5:58 PM | PERMALINK

The question seems to be: "Just how mad are non-Wingnut, non-Teabag Republicans at the extremists that have taken over their party nationally?"

I don't think that the people are done with punishing the teabagging wingnuts who driven our politics into the ditch since 1994. Whether enough are pissed off enough up there in NY-23, I don't know.

Posted by: Tom in Ma on November 2, 2009 at 6:17 PM | PERMALINK

Shalimar at 5:43 gave me a significantly needed laugh. Thanks, Shal!

Posted by: shortstop on November 2, 2009 at 6:32 PM | PERMALINK

I wish this mattered. It doesn't. No matter how many insane things Beck says or does or believes, he's never going to be beyond the pale. Now, if he were a dirty fucking hippie, he could say the mildest of things this afternoon and be a pariah by the end of the week. But Back? Nahhh. Never. He's right wing. He's patriotic. We on the "angry left" think he's institutionalizable and a dangerous dangerous, but who the hell cares what we think?

Posted by: Steve M. on November 2, 2009 at 6:59 PM | PERMALINK

That was supposed to be "dangerous demagogue" (and "Beck").

Posted by: Steve M. on November 2, 2009 at 7:00 PM | PERMALINK

Let's please hear some kind words for New York State Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava, the now-former GOP congressional nominee from NY-23 who has opened herself to all kinds of ideologically-based recriminations and personal attacks for her decision to endorse her former Democratic rival Bill Owens over her own party's now-anointed right-wing wackadoodle.

Thus, she has proven herself to be that most rare of commodities nowadays, a Republican with real principles who places country before party. Things aren't going to be easy for her the next few weeks or so, so I'd hope that New York Democrats would stand with her, and perhaps even invite her to join the Assembly's Democratic caucus, should she find herself ostracized by GOP Assemblymembers in Albany.

Posted by: Out & About in the Castro on November 2, 2009 at 10:01 PM | PERMALINK

I'm sorry, that has got to be the strangest exchange, evar.

Posted by: The Answer Was Orange on November 2, 2009 at 10:20 PM | PERMALINK

Watching the clip on TRMS, it was - strange -

I think Hoffman even freaks Beck out - a match made in heaven!

Posted by: Glen on November 3, 2009 at 3:16 AM | PERMALINK

What was it Rush was saying about "out of control" egos the other day? Seems so long ago......

I'm actually much more disturbed by Beck's part of the exchange than Hoffman's. As creepy as the exchange was, I can at least understand Hoffman and his groveling flattery of the host. That's what a lot of politicians do. Kissing babies and such. Hoffman's just going after the Beck crowd with that. But Beck (judging from the audio) didn't seem altogether phased that Dougie planted a large wet one on his ass cheek. He seemed to rather expect it. This is a new phase in the Beck brown shirts movement, Rush must be beside himself with envy.

And the most disturbing part of all this is how a non-resident politician who is clearly showing more concern about an opioniontainers pet issues than his electorates bread and butter issues is seriously challenging anybody.

Posted by: oh my on November 3, 2009 at 9:06 AM | PERMALINK

The premise of this article assumes that Hoffman wins today. We are not there yet Steve. New Yorkers still have a few hours to prove they are not complete fucking idiots. I normally wouldn't give New Yorkers the benefit of the doubt, but today it is all I got. If Owens wins, I will be ordering some chocolate from Martine's (the best in the world).

Posted by: Patrick on November 3, 2009 at 9:11 AM | PERMALINK

Well, if Watertown elects a Dem, I'll eat my hat (or rather, a la Drum, a hat-shaped cake)!

Posted by: ajw93 on November 3, 2009 at 1:11 PM | PERMALINK

Grab your popcorn, fellow Dems...It's going to be a very entertaining 2010. I for one can't wait to see Mark Kirk's head spin as he tries to distance himself from his pro-Bush votes and his North-Shore liberal social positions at the same time. He's too liberal for the teabrains, but my man Alexi will pummel him with his Bush/Cheney compliance for all 8 of those horrible years.
Note to Republicans with "liberal" social views; YOU SHOULD BE A DEMOCRAT!

Posted by: MBer on November 3, 2009 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK
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