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November 7, 2009

THEY'RE NOT ABOVE LYING.... When House Republicans finally unveiled their health care reform proposal this week, one of the glaring problems was that it did not prohibit private insurance companies from discriminating against consumers with pre-existing conditions.

There weren't even any ambiguities. The Wall Street Journal reported this week, "Minority Leader John Boehner (R., Ohio) said Monday that the plan wouldn't seek to prevent health-insurance companies from denying sick people insurance -- a key plank of the Democrats' legislation."

So, what did Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) have to say on the House floor last night?

"The Republican alternative makes it illegal for an insurance company to deny coverage to someone with prior coverage on the basis of a preexisting condition."

Seriously? That's clearly and demonstrably wrong. I can appreciate a good spin on a bad bill as much as the next guy, but "keeps it legal" and "makes it illegal" are not the same.

It's not even a close call: "[The] GOP alternative plan ... does not prohibit health insurance companies from denying coverage to people due to pre-existing medical conditions."

Congressional Republicans used to support these kinds of restrictions on private insurers, but dropped their commitment when crafting their own plan. Pretending otherwise isn't helpful. It's also a reminder about why bipartisan outreach hasn't gone well -- a few too many lawmakers don't know, or don't care about, the facts.

Steve Benen 10:50 AM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (11)
 
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Oh come on, Steve, sweet jesus, they do it daily about everything. The Repugnant Party will say and do anything. They are nihilists. Chaos is their friend.

The Dims keep screwing around with their timidity and spinelessness, and the Repugnants come back into power you'll taste a little nihilism...much more than the Bush-Cheney thuggery...

Posted by: neill on November 7, 2009 at 10:55 AM | PERMALINK

Can we sue for false advertising?

Posted by: Domage on November 7, 2009 at 10:58 AM | PERMALINK

In next week's radio address Obama needs to embrace Republican obstructionism. He needs to say that he thinks it is a good idea that Republicans try to opposes, delay or filibuster every single one of his agenda items.

The Republican's knee-jerk opposition to everything Obama does will cause them to immediately halt their obstructionism and start acting like adults again. Either that or their heads will explode. Either way, it's a win for the country.


Posted by: SteveT on November 7, 2009 at 11:06 AM | PERMALINK

I don't remember any of these assholes complaining about the costs of the Iraq invasion.

Posted by: MissMudd on November 7, 2009 at 11:11 AM | PERMALINK

Steve, you should have titled this post, You Lie!

Posted by: MsJoanne on November 7, 2009 at 11:25 AM | PERMALINK

I'm not so sure.

"The Republican alternative makes it illegal for an insurance company to deny coverage to someone with prior coverage on the basis of a preexisting condition."

What's that "with prior coverage" bit about? Rescission? Something else? It sounds like a loophole meant to confuse folks into thinking that the GOP HCR "plan" prohibits what it actually allows.

Posted by: Daryl P Cobranchi on November 7, 2009 at 11:33 AM | PERMALINK

According to the DSM-IV; Oppositional Defiant Disorder is described as follows: (keep in mind that it is a condition mainly seen in children)

1. A pattern of negativistic, hostile, and defiant behavior lasting at least 6 months, during which four (or more) of the following are present: (it's been lasting 3 years now with the GOP in Congress)

1. often loses temper (plenty of unhinged remarks from the House/Senate floor and their media enablers)

2. often argues with adults (replace adults with Democrats and you pretty much get the idea)

3. often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules ( hmmm procedural obstacles, filibuster, boycots, changing the goalposts when convenient, etc )

4. often deliberately annoys people (oh yes. Whine and whine some more )

5. often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior ( not one single one of the laws they enacted under Bush had anything to do with the current recession)

6. is often touchy or easily annoyed by others ( insisting on resolutions rebuking anybody who says something that hurts their feelings )

7. is often angry and resentful ( can't stand it when Democrats co-opt their 'great' ideas - even if they get credit for it Worse, they don't think it is fair that when health care reform passes, Americans will like Democrats better)

8. is often spiteful or vindictive ( anybody who's against them, will pay the price - and they do )

2. The disturbance in behavior causes clinically significant impairment in social, academic, or occupational functioning. ( I think it is safe to say that the current GOP does not function at all, and affects the entire country as a result )

3. The behaviors do not occur exclusively during the course of a psychotic or mood disorder. ( it's innate, they don't know how to act any other way)

4. Criteria are not met for conduct disorder, and, if the individual is age 18 years or older, criteria are not met for antisocial personality disorder. ( let's not nit-pick on whether they are oppositional or antisocial - as in anti-American - because they are currently both)


If the child meets at least four of these criteria, and they are interfering with the child’s ability to function, then he or she technically meets the definition of oppositionally defiant. ( the sad thing is that they're adults and have a perfect score, not 'merely' 4 of the criteria)

Posted by: bruno on November 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM | PERMALINK

Republican politicians reflexively lie, even when they know what they say is demonstrably untrue, because their base and much of the media are both ignorant and lazy, and won't fact-check. There's no percentage in saying, "Here's our heath-care plan; it's not as good as the one the Democrats have put together, it doesn't protect the rights of the individual insured very well - but if you work for a health insurance company, own one or own shares in one, we think you're going to like it". Why would you say a foolish thing like that when a fairly good-sized chunk of the population is going to believe you no matter what you say?

Posted by: Mark on November 7, 2009 at 12:32 PM | PERMALINK

Are their lips moving? QED

Posted by: Sarah Barracuda on November 7, 2009 at 12:38 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, but Democrats who are currently sabotaging financial "reforms" are also lying.

Posted by: mcguire on November 7, 2009 at 12:40 PM | PERMALINK

It seems as if there is no restriction on the premium price in order for a person with "prior condition" to purchase a policy. Today if a "prior condition" person would pay a million or two million dollars for a policy, the insurance racket would sell the policy if there was a likely chance the racketeers would make a profit.

Posted by: capatalist pig on November 7, 2009 at 12:42 PM | PERMALINK
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