November 7, 2009
OBJECTIONABLE BEHAVIOR.... Ah, the splendor of the American political process. Congressional Republicans, once again, making the country proud.
Members of the Democratic Women's Caucus, at the outset of the debate over health care reform, took to the floor of the House of Representatives to highlight the health needs of American women, and the ways in which reform is necessary. House Republicans decided not to let them speak.
Whenever one of the lawmakers would come to the microphone, Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.) would simply say, over and over again, in response to nothing, "I object, I object, I object."
It was a procedural gag order at its most inane.
Rep. Mary Jo Kilroy (D-Ohio) asked, "Do I not have the right to be able to continue my sentence without objections that are trying to censor my remarks here on the floor that I have a right to make as a member of this House?"
Apparently not.
It's going to be a long day.
—Steve Benen 1:30 PM
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i think you'd find more maturity in your average kindergarten class ...
Posted by: mudwall jackson on November 7, 2009 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK
Assholes.
But the worst part of this is that paying attention to our Democracy is a chore that most American choose not to do.
If only they did, there would be far less of this inane nonsense.
Posted by: zhak on November 7, 2009 at 1:39 PM | PERMALINK
-'women's health issues'; breast/uterine cancer, pregnancy, etc. Isn't it interesting that none of these 'issues' affect MEN?
And isn't Tom Price a "doctor"?
Posted by: DAY on November 7, 2009 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK
I am sad to say that Price is my Rep. Of course I didn't vote for him, and I constantly send him emails and regularly call him with my support of health care reform and other progressive causes... however his form letter responses espousing his own crackpot bills just infuriate me.
These are the people deciding the future of health care in America. If I wasn't an Athiest, I'd pray for God to help us.
Posted by: Mowgli on November 7, 2009 at 1:50 PM | PERMALINK
Aw, man, I even looked up the channel number for C-SPAN on the dish so I could watch this performance, but they must have stopped. Too bad.
Posted by: Equal Opportunity Cynic on November 7, 2009 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK
That's some video...
It's amazing to me that the Repubs, who hold themselves out as some kind of special example of moral decency, pull these grade-school antics and then can live with themselves and their rhetoric.
Despicable behavior. Disrespectful to their opposition, their speakers, the process, and disrespectful to Rep. John Dingell as an elder of the House and the nation.
Thank goodness for C-Span, so that we can at least get an eye into this extremely rude behavior.
Posted by: Sister A on November 7, 2009 at 2:04 PM | PERMALINK
Everyone here is simply misunderstanding the situation.
In actuality the Republican objections are part of Michael Steele's grand plan of cutting edge recruitment of non-white-old-males-residing-in-the-southern-baptist-zone to the new big tent party. Now do you see?
Posted by: Your Friendly GOP on November 7, 2009 at 2:14 PM | PERMALINK
There is a prison in the basement, I believe. I think it's reserved for things like this.
Posted by: inkadu on November 7, 2009 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK
The Republicans are an enemy of the Republic and the new Nazis. They should be treated as such. By any means.
If anyone doesn't get it yet, this is a war that must be won against wealthy, hateful bigots by all and any means possible. No quarter. No compromise.
Posted by: Richard on November 7, 2009 at 2:35 PM | PERMALINK
We should be cheering the Republicans on. They're doing the work of the angels without realizing it.
The bill being debated is a horrible travesty. It deserves to die.
Posted by: TaosJohn on November 7, 2009 at 2:38 PM | PERMALINK
What's always bothered me about Republicans (for as long as I've been paying attention to American politics) is that they stubbornly persist in a destructive and irrational approach regardless of an abundance of advice to the contrary. Plenty of experts argue that their actions - take deregulation of the finance and mortgage industry, for example - can end only one way, and that it's just a matter of time and how many lives will be destroyed by the process.
Then, when easily-forseen chaos ensues as everyone predicted it would, Republicans argue the catastrophe was "nobody's fault", that, "this is no time for partisan finger-pointing" and that "nobody could have forseen" things would take such a bad turn. We are, they say, "all in this together, and we have to work together to solve the problem" that never would have come about if they hadn't pressed ahead against the better judgment of wiser people.
It's unlikely the Republicans will be able to stop healthcare reform, although they can certainly water it down until it's far less effective than it could have been. But if they DID manage to wreck it, and the country rose up in fury at their meddling, you'd never hear, "Healthcare reform failed because we were assholes and didn't listen; we were too busy trying to kick apart something the Democrats built, so that it wouldn't succeed, to concern ourselves overmuch about who might suffer as a result".
Nope - it'd be "nobody's fault" and "no time for finger-pointing".
Posted by: Mark on November 7, 2009 at 2:39 PM | PERMALINK
The Chair should have the Sergeant at Arms eject this clown.
Posted by: JMG on November 7, 2009 at 2:57 PM | PERMALINK
Too bad they aren't currently teabagging, they wouldn't be able to say I object.
Posted by: Trollop on November 7, 2009 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK
JMG raises a point I was wondering about myself... Why was he allowed to be this disruptive? Who was the gutless wonder that was presiding over this?
Posted by: David Langdon on November 7, 2009 at 3:21 PM | PERMALINK
Ah, there's nothing like the fetid stench of Republican governance in action - governing incompetence at it's two year old tantrum finest!
Posted by: Glen on November 7, 2009 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK
Remind me again what the difference is between townhallers and Republicans in Congress.
Posted by: Lab Partner on November 7, 2009 at 3:37 PM | PERMALINK
How can this be allowed? Why isn't he ruled out of order?
Posted by: g on November 7, 2009 at 3:39 PM | PERMALINK
I know we shouldn't feed the trolls, but...
TaosJohn, how does the blood of those 45,000 Americans (per year) feel on your hands?
I should know better than to ask about compassion from a creepy, no-fact, ignorant commenter such as you.
Creepy, because I know more people will die because of your lack of support to change the status quo. That creeps me out that someone would be so hardhearted. Certainly not a christian attitude, in my opinion.
No Fact, because you post a comment with no supporting fact, just a superstitious reference with an unsupported opinion.
And ignorant because you ignore the tragedy of America's current healthcare (and financial) crisis.
There, I backed up my comments, please afford us the same courtesy when you visit in the future.
Posted by: BuzzMon on November 7, 2009 at 3:43 PM | PERMALINK
a video of this should be shown in the district of Stupak and every other Stupak-amendment backer with text over the bottom noting that this is who your local Democrat has thrown his lot in with, this is who they want to help, this is who they want to be like, this is whose team they are on.
there surely is a special ring of hell for Rethugs like Price, but there is an even deeper, darker level for those who claim to espouse Democratic principles but throw in with Price. and I can't wait for them all to rot there.
Posted by: zeitgeist on November 7, 2009 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINK
A dozen or two Dem women reps were lined up making unanimous consent requests. This was done specifically to eat into debate time (they repeated the usual platitudes for almost an hour).
Pelosi will not tolerate debate, because the bill will deliver a middle-class tax-busting 3Trillion dollar failure. Can't let that debate happen.
So Benen lies, and the sheep get some vulgar and Orwellian hate exercise in the comments.
Posted by: tao9 on November 7, 2009 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK
Obstruction, disruption and incivility...the republicans are no longer a part of the democratic process but merely seek to destroy it.
They not only prove themselves to be the party of "No" but the party of "No Way" to include them in legislating.
It's come to the point where they should not even be allowed into the chamber as observers.
Posted by: bjobotts on November 7, 2009 at 3:51 PM | PERMALINK
Posted by: Mark on November 7, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Thank you Mark! It's infuriating. You forgot their "condescending" approach as they make such claims.
Maybe if they were fined (as in sports) for every disruption...just saying...
Posted by: bjobotts on November 7, 2009 at 3:56 PM | PERMALINK
What's always bothered me about Republicans (for as long as I've been paying attention to American politics) is that they stubbornly persist in a destructive and irrational approach regardless of an abundance of advice to the contrary.
What bothers me more is that this actually seems to work for them much of the time. (See "Bush Administration," etc.) I'm looking forward to the day where this actually does truly backfire and people wake up and kick out the fools and the assholes who hate government and want to run it just so they can prove how awful it is.
Pelosi will not tolerate debate, because the bill will deliver a middle-class tax-busting 3Trillion dollar failure. Can't let that debate happen.
I'd really love to know where you get your info-- Newsmax perhaps? Michael Savage? Rush Limbaugh? How the hell is this going to hurt the middle class? Unless you think premiums are going to stablize or go down in the next few years instead of multiplying the way the have for the past 10 years. As a small business owner who has no desire to manage the health care insurance of my employees, I'd love it if that was something completely separate from my business. Many business owners feel the same way. It really has nothing to do with employement.
Insurance companies are nothing but vampires sucking money out of our healthcare system. For some reason the GOP thinks that mandatory affordable health insurance is hitleresque but mandatory car insurance is perfectly fine.
Posted by: zoe kentucky on November 7, 2009 at 4:33 PM | PERMALINK
So when Price refused to obey the order from the chairman to be silent, why didn't the Sargeant st Arms remove him?
Posted by: Winkandanod on November 7, 2009 at 4:46 PM | PERMALINK
The ever-morphing taos forgot to mention the 990,200 trillion-gajillion unfunded mandate debt produced by Social Security & Medicare when he (or she) goes Galt with all of the other western district assistant sales associates.
Pathetic
Posted by: BuzzMon on November 7, 2009 at 4:52 PM | PERMALINK
Georgia has the stupidest Congressional delegation. Elected by the dumbest electorate in America. That jerk Paul Broun's computer called me up a half hour ago. I hung up. Price needs to go back an learn the stuff everyone else learned in kindergarten. Help make America a safer place to live, expel Georgia.
Oldest Georgia joke I know, heard it 30 years ago.
Two old Alabama guys are talking about their boys. One says, 'I got a boy in jail up in South Carolina and another over there in Georgia and I'm trying like hell to get that poor boy out of Georgia.'
Posted by: anomaly on November 7, 2009 at 5:46 PM | PERMALINK
if you took all the rushes and glen becks of the world and broadcast there message on every airwave on the planet for a 100 years----you would still not do as much to promote common sense conservetism as nancy the dems and o man has done here so thanks guys n girls you have brought that [shootin yourself in the ass] thing to a whole new level
Posted by: charles on November 7, 2009 at 8:36 PM | PERMALINK
Ha! I know an older one than that:
A man is standing high on the railing of a bridge over the Oostanaula River, about to jump. A concerned passer-by shouts up to him, "Don't jump, boy! Think of your wife and kids!!"
The would-be jumper yells back, "Ain't got no wife or kids."
The good samaritan replies, "Well, then, think of your poor Mama and Daddy!!" The man yells back, "Ain't got no Mama or Daddy!"
The local shouts, "Well, think of Robert E. Lee!!" The man on the railing shouts back, "Who in hell's Robert E. Lee?"
There is a short silence, followed by, "Jump, you Yankee!!!"
Posted by: Mark on November 7, 2009 at 10:58 PM | PERMALINK
The Republican's antics are disgusting, it's true. But what exasperates me is watching the Democrats flail into stammering lily-livered incoherence, unable to finish their thoughts, much less their sentences. --Pleading for one overwhelmed grand-daddy at the chair to enforce propriety.
I know that most Democratic congressfolk didn't get to their positions by being good at stepping out of the game and calling a spade a spade. Most got to office by being calm when other people lost it.
But seeing them verbally creamed by their loud colleagues makes me holler that NOW is an appropriate time to be angry.
Don't be angry because some white old Southern man is being rude to you personally. Be angry because some white old Southern man is trying to keep 50 million Americans from having a hope of affording their own health care--which we sent you there to fix.
Posted by: Quatrain Gleam on November 7, 2009 at 11:16 PM | PERMALINK
Did you happen to see that photo (widely circulated, as I remember) of the denim-shorts-clad protester during the Bush years, holding up a sign that reads, "Get a brain! Morans!" and a smaller one in the other hand that says, "Go USA!"? Presumably the gentleman was a Bush supporter, and therefore likely - but not necessarily - a conservative.
It came to mind when I was reading Charles' almost incoherent post, in which he defends a political philosophy he cannot spell. It makes the point regarding the ignorant and incurious base who aren't happy unless America is kicking somebody's ass better than any report could.
Posted by: Mark on November 7, 2009 at 11:35 PM | PERMALINK
Clips of that should be put into promos;
This is how republicans debate.
This is what republicans think of democracy.
This is republicans showing respect for their fellow congress-members.
This is how republicans run government.
Posted by: Schtick on November 7, 2009 at 11:47 PM | PERMALINK
It's obvious t6hat Tom Price is a Prick. A Prick of enormous price, but little size. How else could you fail to yield the floor a fellow member. Maybe she's bigger? Such a shame... Once again we see how tiny men's minds can be... And some of their other parts too...
Posted by: Doug Wieboldt on November 8, 2009 at 8:09 PM | PERMALINK
anomaly, just where the fuck are you from? I didn't vote for any of these pricks and I, and many more Georgians, never will. Your type of regional bigotry makes you no better that the Rethugs.
Posted by: don on November 8, 2009 at 9:26 PM | PERMALINK