No opportunity is to banal to exploit Lieberman's inability to care about the actual needs and concerns of the US, its citizens, or his own constituents.

Hmm...maybe Joe is afraid his healthcare reform antics might cost him his chairmanship, so he screams "terrorist!" If he were to be stripped of his chairmanship now wouldn't it just might look like those shady Democrats and unAmerican President were either soft on terrorists or sympathetic?

I would like to say that I consider Lieberman one of the most destructive acts on American soil,he is still vowing to stop health care for Americans, he is riling up hate against American moslems ( I wonder if he has seen the Moslem graves at Arlington national cemetery) He is happily sending American dollars to Israel ( who have national health care) while denying health care to the US taxpayers who fund aid to Israel.He takes mega dollars from the health care corps via his wife. All in all I don't think America needs Lieberman who openly campaigned against our president.

I am betraying my simple mind and bucolic life by airing this thought , but wouldn't it be nice to just keep trying to keep Schiavo alive again .

I wonder how much it would cost to pay Lieberman to resign his senate seat for a gig on Fux News. It might be money well spent.

Thank you Connecticut Democrats for the crappy gift that keeps on giving. I hope you are happy you sent Traitor Joe back to the Senate.

I don't like Lieberman any more than anyone else here and disapprove entirely of what he is doing.

But I don't need Casey to tell me that.

Undue deference to generals is very much part of the problem with this country right now; and liberal bloggers who go around citing them are fully as much of this problem as anyone else.

It's not surprising that there's no effective opposition to the war or to the military budget or that Obama is as secretive as Bush was; because posts like this suggest that subconsciously lots of liberals are fully as militaristic as any conservative.

LIEberman is a classic example of the type of ass hole that seems to find their way into our glorious Senate and Congress. What this says about our Republic and the idiots who vote these simian-brained twits repeatedly onto office is legion.

How is it a terrorist attack if it took place on a military base and attacked members of the military? That sounds to me like just an "attack."

Certainly lieberman is a loathsome arrogant asshole (i like to think he is even more so than myself...)

But the evil part is that the "I" after his name doesn't stand for "Independent" -- it stands for Israel and Insurance Industry...

That's why Lieberman is evil...

Joey Lieberman is a traitor to the people of this country on at least two fronts...

Why isn't Lieberman listening to our generals on the ground?

Joe Lieberman walks through life with a crutch, and his soul can't stand on its own two feet! -Kevo

Duncan Kinder, that's a crock of horse hockey. For a liberal to say "until we know why someone committed a heinous act, perhaps it's unwise to speculate on it, might anger up some peoples' blood" IS NOT THE SAME AS "undue deference to generals." Not even in the same neighborhood. Not even in the same state.

Were this a civilian matter on civilian soil, and we didn't know what motivated a civilian to go on a killing spree, any lawman or district attorney worth his or her salt would say the exact same friggin thing Casey is saying now: "It's premature, don't speculate, don't rile anybody up." Not only does it make sense because some people will use this attack to foster feelings of hatred towards a specific group, but for the simple reason that too much outside influence becomes outside interference. It's harder for investigators to do their job in a matter like this when some people are screaming "Kill all Muslims!" People with valid information might become too cowed to come forward. People who might know something about the killing that has nothing to do with Hasan's faith - but how happen to hate Muslims - might opt to keep their pieholes shut. The honorable pursuit of truth is hampered because people want to politicize or nationalize this tragedy for their own gain - even if it's just to sound like a pompous knowitall on national TV for a few minutes - or they are intimidated by those who do.

The fact that we had 8 years of an Administration that would pretend to fetishize the military to the point of demanding us plebes to blindly follow their instructions in any situation (except when those instructions didn't jibe with the Administration's agenda) doesn't mean this situation compares. Again, apples and oranges. The fact that you wouldn't know it (or know it but seemingly not care) makes you pathetic. I'll leave it to you to decide whether you would choose to be considered pathetic based on a lack of intellect or deliberate malicious ignorance. Get back to me at your earliest convenience.

doesn't give him license to then make a series of unproven allegations and speculate wildly on national television

But isn't that the new definition of journalism? Admittedly. these allegations are usually attributed to "Concern", but how often do we hear the news kicked off with "there are more concerns today about the effectiveness of the swine flu vaccine, etc. Today, the Today Show started with "new concerns over whether Hasan had relations with 9/11 hijackers" based on the fact that at one point they attended the same mosque.

Thank you Duncan Kinder , Obama is exactly like booshie . Who but you could have grasped this tenuous argument to make it reel ?
What a relief , now my childlike mind can finally grasp the candy at the end of a nap .

Lieberman's pattern of poor judgment is eclipsed only by the poor judgment of the voters of Connecticut.

So whatty'all make of this story? Any further reporting on it yet?

Self-radicalized?! That's more a contradiction in terms than a real idea.

We don't know enough to say now, but there are very, very strong warning signs here that Dr. Hasan had become an Islamist extremist and, therefore, that this was a terrorist act,

"Offensive" is not a word that I use often to describe my own reactions to something, but Lieberman's explicit assertion that terrorism is defined by whose doing it rather than by the details of the act itself is deeply offensive to me. It indicates his framing of the world in terms of "others" perfectly and reveals just how small-minded and pathetic he really is. He is just really... gross. Thank Connecticut voters. You really did yourself proud with this POS.

slappy magoo - any lawman or district attorney worth his or her salt would say the exact same friggin thing Casey is saying now: "It's premature, don't speculate, don't rile anybody up."

Precisely. The military used to be pretty good about controlling what they called "undue command influence" as well. If senior commanders indicate what direction they want a court martial to go - how can we be certain that the verdict is fair?

President Obama has been good so far; he doesn't make statements of judgement in cases, not as far as I've seen. I'd suggest that with his chairmanship, Senator Lieberman also has the ability to influence ongoing investigations. Not like a military commander or a civilian executive, but he can dirty the process. Either he's clueless or selfish. Or he is deliberately dirtying the waters.

So whatty'all make of this story? Any further reporting on it yet? - rich2506

Eerily similar to the Obama/William Ayers connection, isn't it?

So whatty'all make of this story? Any further reporting on it yet?
Posted by: Rich2506 on November 9, 2009 at 9:19 AM | PERMALINK

If true, it's an interesting wrinkle to be sure. But it doesn't change the fact that a lot of public speculation on it not only does a disservice to the people trying to investigate the matter in a thorough and just manner, but allows the stupidest members of our society to think Fox News has a point when they talk about some sort of additional tests for Muslims who want to serve this country in the military, as if every Muslim is a suspected terrorist, which only makes people MORE likely to harbor resentment, and the snake continues to eat itself.

We don't know enough to say now, but there are very, very strong warning signs here that Dr. Hasan had become an Islamist extremist and, therefore, that this was a terrorist act

Lieberman is starting to look correct:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-shooter-contact-al-qaeda-terrorists-officials/story?id=9030873

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33777070/ns/us_news-tragedy_at_fort_hood/

The honorable Senator Joseph Liebermann is absolutely correct. He needs to have committee hearings that will determine that this was a premeditated Muslim terrorist attack on the United States. Of course, he will also determine that it was backed by Iran.

Therefore, the only reasonable thing to do is to attack Iran! It will make AIPAC ecstatic! It will make the Likud Party happy! It will prove that The Chosen One is a secret Muslim, communist agent intent upon destroying our country.

As a CT resident (but not one at the time Lieberman was elected), I am completely embarrassed that this asshat is supposed to be representing me. I have a feeling that he is trying to start some kind of "under bush/cheney, there weren't any terrorist attacks since 9/11, but see, Obama allowed it to happen" or some shit like that. And/or what SaintZak said.

Also, I was wondering where all the people went who, after the Virginia Tech shootings, kept saying "if only these students were allowed to carry guys, this tragedy could have been avoided." Yeah.... guess that argument doesn't work anymore.

Rich2506, I am on the outside of the investigation. There is no way for me, or you, or anybody outside the investigation to make anything of the report. Now, if investigators start stringing stray facts together, then they might figure something out.

Remember Hasan is an Army psychiatrist who had been treating returning war fighters. He might have looked at all sorts of sites trying to figure out how to help. On the other hand, maybe the website visits are more sinister. We just don't know.

Is it just me or is jumping to conclusions America's most popular participant sport?

If only these students were allowed to carry guys, this tragedy could have been avoided. Yeah.... guess that argument doesn't work anymore.

Why do you say that? I mean, I don't think it was a reasonable argument in the case of the VA tech shootings but this situation was similar in that aspect. The victims were also unarmed. Indeed, given that they were military and trained in armed combat, this probably would have ended very differently if they had been armed.

LIEberman needs to return to insignificance...although Obama/Reid/Dodd and others insured his POWER over them and policies by giving him support in his election awhile back...BAD MOVE!!! This "look at me" over the Ft. Hood shootings is just as transparent a ploy to suck up to his "masters" as his stand on the health reform...he is a despicable little man whose 15 minutes should have long been UP!!! Still, I'm betting Repugs feel about the ONE REPUBLICAN who voted with Dems on Saturday the way we feel about JOE (of course this guy was actually reflecting the needs/wants of his district - LIEberman not so much)...

@slappy magoo
...but allows the stupidest members of our society to think Fox News has a point when they talk about some sort of additional tests for Muslims who want to serve this country in the military...

I second your view here.

Should Buddhists be given the "special test" or Hindus or Mormons for that matter? How about those who are serving who are foreign-born, period? How about white liberals from Southern California, the (former) goths with blue hair. I sense the hovering of Senator McCarthy's ghost...

Joey needs to resign and get out of the way. He is and has been a liability for years. He needs to be fired from any committee he is part of especially in a command position of. He should never have been given the leeway to continue after his traitorous actions during last years elections.

Go away Joey.

And of course, Chris C, the white southern christian men with potential ties to stormfront will get a pass, because they're real murkans.

"Is it just me or is jumping to conclusions America's most popular participant sport?"
Posted by: Ron Byers on November 9, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Anyone can do it, and neither fitness nor intelligence is a factor. I'm surprised America hasn't tried to include it in the Olympics yet.

Brent - my only point is that gun nuts should no longer be able to make the argument that if people were allowed to carry guns, these incidents wouldn't happen. This attack was on a military base... in, literally, the middle of Texas. Everyone within 300 miles was allowed to carry a gun, but that fact didn't deter this person or prevent this from happening.

So the next time there is a shooting massacre that involves civilians (see Orlando), and the NRA uses it to promote their "guns for everyone" agenda, it should be pointed out that, in fact, more guns is not the solution.

Casey probably wasn't addressing Lieberman directly, but he might as well have been.
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And he wasn't addressing the fourth square of concrete from the corner in the sidewalk by a Metrobus stop on Jenifer either, but he might as well have been for all the notice Lieberman or the rest of the far-right clown posse will take of his remarks. They already "know" all about the shootings -- a terrorist attack by a Muslim wearing "World Islam Uber Alles" stickers on his jacket and pants to indicate sponsorship, etc., etc. ad nauseam ...

And another big, BIG thank-you to the DLC, Barbara Boxer, Harry Reid, and all in the Democratic "leadership" who campaigned for this pearl among pearls and then -- after he campaigned for McCain -- made sure he had a chairmanship.

He votes with us on everything that won't make a difference, so I guess it must be worth it to Harry, who apparently never had a fight he didn't think he could throw.

Religion's Heaven and Hell can spur the mentally ill into doing violence

NYT: Fort Hood Gunman Gave Signals Before His Rampage

The night before the shooting, he had dinner with Mr. Reasoner and said he felt that he should not go to Afghanistan.

“He felt he was supposed to quit,” Mr. Reasoner said. “In the Koran, it says you are not supposed to have alliances with Jews or Christians, and if you are killed in the military fighting against Muslims, you will go to hell.”

Why is he still chairmen of anything in the Senate?!?!

Why are we so concerned about his motives. After the WTC attack, if anyone tried to figure out the attackers motives THEY were attacked for being mushy softy psychology types.

What difference would it make if he had decided that deployment was worth than death and shooting deployed soldiers was mercy killing?

my only point is that gun nuts should no longer be able to make the argument that if people were allowed to carry guns, these incidents wouldn't happen.

But again, these individuals were specifically not allowed to carry guns because they were on a military base. As I said, I don't agree with the "more guns = more civilized" argument but the details of this particular incident were that these individuals were attacked because they weren't in a position to defend themselves. This is actually the one case where the victims being armed might have actually helped because they happened to be trained soldiers. There are good reasons why soldiers on a base are not allowed to carry their weapons and I would say the problem in this instance is that that policy was not extended to the officer who managed to arm himself for the purpose of mass murder. But the people who believe the opposite are not likely to be deterred by what happened in this incident. To the contrary. It actually supports their thesis.

Were this a civilian matter on civilian soil, and we didn't know what motivated a civilian to go on a killing spree, any lawman or district attorney worth his or her salt would say the exact same friggin thing Casey is saying now

Which is precisely why citing Casey is or should be superfluous.

I'm amazed that we are to listen to our 'commanders' EXCEPT when they say something we don't like...oh those pesky talking points!

Reid should strip Lieberman of his chairmanship before anything gets started. Also, once the investigation is done at Ft. Hood, I think it makes more sense to hold an Armed Services Committee hearing because this seems to really be, in the final analysis, a "soldier" problem not a "terrorist" problem.

And, we need to be out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

So Sen. Joe Lieberman (L-Israel)* is hatin' on Muslims.

I'm shocked.

*"L" for Likud, of course, the conservative party of America's 51st state.

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I wonder if Osama bin Laden’s hatred of the West and of Jews has anything to do with his religion...

and/or if the 19 Muslim men who flew airplanes into big buildings were motivated by their religious [Muslim] views...

hmmmmmm...

Which is precisely why citing Casey is or should be superfluous.
Posted by: Duncan Kinder on November 9, 2009 at 11:07 AM |

Nice try at revising your own history, Peaches. You weren't arguing about Casey's words being superfluous; you were arguing that liberals were giving "undue deference to generals." And regardless of whether those words ought to be necessary or not, the face that a sitting Senator undermines the investigation by warmongering and fearmongering proves that, at the moment, it is sadly necessary. Wanting and waiting to get to the facts of this tragedy is not militaristic, as you claim liberals are, "as militaristic as any conservative." At the risk of being redundant, The fact that you wouldn't know it (or know it but seemingly not care) makes you pathetic. I'll leave it to you to decide whether you would choose to be considered pathetic based on a lack of intellect or deliberate malicious ignorance.

Or JAFIT.

If you never tire of being wrong, I'm sure you'll be quite happy here.

When is Reid going to grow a set and remove Lieberman from his committee chair for abuse of his position?

Given that intelligence officials re now saying that this was a guy trying to hook up with al Qaeda, Lieberman doesn't seem too far off base.

Maybe if Janet Napolitano hadn't been spending so much time scrutinizing "tea-bag people" she could have connected the dots on the worst domestic terrorism since 9/11.

"Given that intelligence officials . . ."

Would those be the same Bush-era intelligence officials that said Iraq had WMDs?

LOL!

It is quite entertaining to hear the Left try to pretend this wasn't an Islamic extremist attack. We know full well what this man's motivations were, he made it crystal clear repeatedly.

What's really disturbing to me is that most of the posters here seem to care more about discrediting Lieberman than they do about the tragedy at Fort Hood. No wasting a good crisis -they've learned well from Ram Itinyouwell.

"It is quite entertaining to hear the Left try to pretend this wasn't an Islamic extremist attack. We know full well what this man's motivations were, he made it crystal clear repeatedly"

yes of course, it's not like we even have slang "going postal" for shooting up your co-workers or classmates, only islamic extremists do that