It's all good that they're not getting much traction beyond the people who serve as their traction-mats. But I don't know how much good it does to fight this kind of nonsense with facts.

I think the "why are you such cowards" response is MUCH superior, because it meets an emotional attack with an emotional response (I can't really use the word "argument").

Yeah, it's basically schoolyard taunting, but the Villagers and the media love it, so it becomes the narrative. Unless we learn to compete on this turf as well as on facts, we're gonna keep fighting with one arm tied behind our backs.

"Unprecedented". Mr. Scarborough, You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. ...

But Steve, you just don't get it.

These aren't just ordinary terrorists. THEY'RE ENEMY COMBATANTS IN THE WAR ON TERROR!!!

THIS IS WAR, Y'KNOW. Only the military can handle these guys on foreign soil cuz they're superhuman warriors with mind control powers and stuff like that. I mean, the minute they land in the U.S., they'll start making the civilian police kill themselves and then start raping the women. After they're done with that, they'll take over the nearest nuclear facility and cause a massive explosion.

I saw it on "24 Hours," which means it can happen.

If we're lucky, Jack Bauer will round 'em up, shoot them all and throw them in a ditch. Then we can feel safe (for now).

/snark off

Another odd thing about this fuss is that the wingers keep bringing up the Allies' treatment of the Nazis as if this case supported their argument. They appear not to have heard of the Nuremberg trials.

I'm starting to think that conservatism causes both brain damage and long-term memory damage.

Sheesh.

You have to admit, Democrats are going on TV completely unprepared to debunk right wing fearmongering.

So here's some help:

(a) After letting Bin Laden escape in 2001, the Bush administration failed to bring any 9/11 conpirators to justice. Not one. At long last, Obama is bringing them to justice.

(b) Spain, Britain, Indonesia and India were all attacked over the last few years, they were brave enough to try their perps in their own courtrooms, not in kangaroo courts in other countries like Cuba.

(c) If we are too afraid to bring the attackers to justice through our own justice system, then they have won.

Does Dipshit Joe ever stand corrected? Or does he just keep plowing forward? Anybody recall him ever saying, "Seems like I was wrong about..."?

Of course what this indignation is really about is the fact that the Republicans don't want the torture at Guantanamo sanctioned by the Bushies front and center as it will inevitably be during the upcoming trial.

"conservatives seem unable to make it."

You may not think they are not making it but from my water cooler chats this morning they sure have!

St. Rudy of 9/11 still has a lot of pull where I work (a building from which we all watched in horror as the WTC burned).

My mom (middle 70s) was clucking about how Obama is making a big mistake. Several of my work neighbors are also clucking the same talking points. They are "tarrot-fied" that they will be released on a technicality.

Me? I think the only way to remove the stain of Gitmo/Rumsfeld/Buch is to have a day in court where ALL the dirty laundry gets aired. Let the chips fall where they may.

Joe Scarborough is an intelligent guy. That does not mean he is not a total douche who will not deliberately distort facts to score points with his audience of ODS-addled know-nothings. The same could be said for all the other right-wingers on talk radio or Fox. Except for Glenn Beck. He really is a profoundly stupid man who happens to have stumbled into a particularly stupid network's shortbus of a commentary show.

Joe and Mika are just illustrating their stunningly shallow "journalism".

Let's compromise, then. We can house the prisoners on US soil if we put a garrison of soldiers at Zihuatanejo, Mexico, which is undoubtedly where they'll end up if pop culture has taught me anything.

Agree with Michman - The only reason this is an outrage is that it will expose the fact that bush/cheney committed torture. I think Holder wants it to come out. I think its brillant.

A republican mouthpiece making unsubstantiated claims that are easily shown to be false?

Why, it's unprecedented!

It's the typical wingnut nightmare fantasy:

Evildoer gets off because his shifty lawyer cries crocodile tears about some technicality to typical Earl Warrenish liberal judge.

It's the plot of every right-wing cop movie since Dirty Harry.

Proof once again that rightwingers get their fantasy world (fueled by movies, tv shows, talk radio hysterics, and their own mythology) confused with reality.

Making wingnut hay...

216 international terrorists?
Why 216 is 6 cubed.

But then again, maybe the Morning JoKe doesn't know anything about any subject.

Why should he? He is able to repeat rethug talking points while proclaiming himself to not be owned by either party. That seems fair and balanced to me...

Steve, these are good talking points for us to know, but how many of the public hear of this? Who in the suspect SCLM will tell of it? (Have any?)

"tried, convinced, and imprisoned"

Typical liberal folderol. We don't even have to try these guys, just convince them, and they will voluntarily go to prison.

Just kidding.

Spending the taxpayers' money on giving terrorists decent, American, trials is as repugnant as giving the illegals -- also on our dime -- the American (best in the world!) education and healthcare. Just hang them high, already, like the Hot Chick Quitter from Wasilla said.
/channeling

Otherwise... Like people above have said; the right is reluctant to have our dirty, blood-stained laundry washed in public. That the perps have dirty hands as well, is neither here nor there; it's the ability of looking ourselves in the mirror afterwards that's in question.

I heard a bit of On Point this morning, and the annoying right-wing guest repeatedly claimed that there was something terribly wrong with putting non-citizens on trial in a U.S. civilian court. Neither the host nor the other, pro-trial guest seemed to push back at all. (I can't speak to what happened after I got sick of the whole thing and turned it off.) Very disappointing.