November 17, 2009
QUOTE OF THE DAY.... During the floor debate over health care reform, Rep. John Shadegg (R) of Arizona generated a little attention for himself by bringing a 7-month-old baby to the podium, and pretending to speak on her behalf.
Last night's speech wasn't nearly as adorable. Shadegg spoke from the House floor to rail against a criminal trial for alleged 9/11 conspirators in New York City. In particular, the far-right Arizonan was incensed that NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg (I) believes, "It is fitting that 9/11 suspects face justice near the World Trade Center site where so many New Yorkers were murdered."
As Matt Finkelstein reported, Shadegg doesn't see it quite the same way. "I saw the Mayor of New York said today, 'We're tough. We can do it,'" the Republican congressman said. "Well, Mayor, how are you going to feel when it's your daughter that's kidnapped at school by a terrorist? How are you going to feel when it's some clerk -- some innocent clerk of the court -- whose daughter or son is kidnapped? Or the jailer's little brother or little sister?"
As a matter of decency, Shadegg's little tantrum was vile and unnecessary. If Shadegg has a policy argument to make, fine. But openly speculating on the House floor about imaginary kidnappings of the mayor's daughter is loathsome, even by the standards of congressional Republicans.
And while I'm hesitant to offer any kind of substantive response to such transparent nonsense, I can't help but wonder, where has John Shadegg been? Why didn't he pop off like this during any of the other criminal trials against the hundreds of terrorists who've been put through the federal justice system? If this right-wing lawmaker seriously believes court proceedings lead foreign terrorists to kidnap children on American soil, why has Shadegg remained entirely silent on the point over the last couple of decades?
—Steve Benen 11:15 AM
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"...why has Shadegg remained entirely silent on the point over the last couple of decades?"
Because he's kind of a dick?
Posted by: jeff on November 17, 2009 at 11:18 AM | PERMALINK
Uh Steve? Because he's STUPID? Because the sheep of Arizona elected a man they thought LOOKED like a Senator instead of electing someone with a BRAIN???
Posted by: SYSPROG on November 17, 2009 at 11:20 AM | PERMALINK
I wish the terrorists would kidnap Shadegg. And I will tell you how I would feel about it. I would feel bad for the terrorists.
Posted by: Patrick on November 17, 2009 at 11:28 AM | PERMALINK
"...why has Shadegg remained entirely silent on the point over the last couple of decades?"
All of the above, and because of republican party unity. During the bush years it was forbidden to speak out against the republican rulers. Now that they're not in power, the party line is the polar opposite. They're just all just walking in lockstep with the party line...
Posted by: kanopsis on November 17, 2009 at 11:29 AM | PERMALINK
It's just a setup for an I-told-you-so.
That game just wasn't fun when his guy was in the WH.
Posted by: eightnine2718281828mu5 on November 17, 2009 at 11:31 AM | PERMALINK
It is grimly amusing how often fear in these unthinking conservatives leads immediately to anger. What contemptible, little people. And why aren't they ashamed that they're afraid?
Posted by: Rathskeller on November 17, 2009 at 11:34 AM | PERMALINK
Give him a break - he's an Arizona dumbass. the heat fried his brainpan long ago.
As far as why he says it now, as a good apparatchik, he's now following the party line of "Nyet!" Before, it was the party line of "Da!"
Posted by: TCinLA on November 17, 2009 at 11:35 AM | PERMALINK
why has Shadegg remained entirely silent on the point over the last couple of decades?
Interesting question albeit irrelevant. The question is how do Rs manage to so consistently mouth the current sentiments of talk radio? How is it that the intellectual paucity of disc jockeys can be the bedrock of a political party in the 21st century?
Could it be related to the anti-intellectualism of the Rs? Of course,, it could just be that he found the Dukakis debates on You Tube and decided to update the theme.
Posted by: Tom M on November 17, 2009 at 11:39 AM | PERMALINK
Hey, look, if the Joker could do it in that last Dark Knight movie, it could happen.
You've got to look at it through the Shadegg perspective, what with the States having to fight off all these super-villains now without Batman. Hell, they'd settle for Elongated Man at this point. Or at least a Wonder Twin. Geez...
Posted by: BruceR on November 17, 2009 at 11:40 AM | PERMALINK
Obviously, like all right wing morons, he watches 24 and thinks it portrays reality.
Posted by: jm on November 17, 2009 at 11:40 AM | PERMALINK
Mr. (term used lightly) Shadegg -- stop telling New Yorkers what is right for us! We can handle the truth -- can you?
Posted by: Alex on November 17, 2009 at 11:48 AM | PERMALINK
Americans should be ashamed of this display of cowardice.
Posted by: T-Rex on November 17, 2009 at 11:54 AM | PERMALINK
GOP: Speak, boy!
Shadegg: Bow! Wow! Woof! Woof! Grrrrr.....
Next question.
Posted by: GP on November 17, 2009 at 11:55 AM | PERMALINK
Why does Shadegg always need to exploit females as props for his garbage? It's sickening.
Posted by: rabbit on November 17, 2009 at 11:55 AM | PERMALINK
Shadegg "looks like a senator"? Oh, I guess most senator's look like a dog turd wrapped in a disposable diaper. Fittingly, for the clown car that is the us senate.
As to the ugliness that spewed from the Arizonan's lips...even an eight-year-old could psychoanalyze the hate and fear boiling in that rotten soul...
Posted by: neill on November 17, 2009 at 11:56 AM | PERMALINK
Maybe he's making a public suggestion to would-be terrorist groups. At this point I think some Republicans would rather see a successful attack to score a few political points.
Posted by: MichMan on November 17, 2009 at 12:15 PM | PERMALINK
Shadegg has been in the House for 15 years but he never spouted bizarre rhetoric until this year. I wonder whether he's suffering the same sort of chemical imbalance that apparently happened to Zell Miller.
Posted by: sacman701 on November 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM | PERMALINK
If this right-wing lawmaker seriously believes court proceedings lead foreign terrorists to kidnap children on American soil, why has Shadegg remained entirely silent on the point over the last couple of decades?
Because there's a Kenyan-born, terrorist-palling-around-with, Negro Democrat in the White House, that's why.
Duh!
Posted by: Quaker in a Basement on November 17, 2009 at 12:20 PM | PERMALINK
It has come to the attention of even the densest Republicans that saying outrageous things on the House floor gets you face time on the TeeVee.
And name recognition back home is what wins votes. . .
Posted by: DAY on November 17, 2009 at 12:24 PM | PERMALINK
and are all these republicans also against trials for rapists and murderers in civilian trials? or do the Republicans not care about rapists and murderers in our communities? are Republicans secret sympathizers of rapists and murderers? it is truly shocking!
Posted by: dave on November 17, 2009 at 12:36 PM | PERMALINK
Q: Mr. Shadegg, goes Glenn Beck wear a glove?
Shadegg: What, you mean when it's cold out?
Q: No, sir, when his hand is firmly entrenched up your ass working your mouth like the Republican Charlie McCarthy you are. Does he wear a glove?
Shadegg: GET HIM OUT OF HERE!
Q: Why are you evading the question? Is Glenn Beck not practicing safe vetriloquism with you?
Posted by: slappy magoo on November 17, 2009 at 12:44 PM | PERMALINK
I live in Tucson. My father, a lifelong Republican, lives in Prescott. We can't discuss politics without getting into a screaming match.
I've met John Shadegg. He seemed to be an amiable dunce to me, a typical glad-hander with little on the ball intellectually. I'm sorry to see that he's no longer pretending to be amiable.
Why would giving "terrorists" a fair trial make it more likely that someone's daughter would be kidnapped by one? How many of our daughters have ever been kidnapped by "terrorists"? I don't get the connection. I guess his comments are motivated by fear of "the other".
During this past weekend I had a discussion with my brother-in-law. He also has fear of "the other". He said to me, "Supposing some black mo-fo broke into my house. What am I supposed to do?" (This was in the context of a discussion about what to do in Afghanistan, of all things.) I replied that I didn't accept his scenario; that it was extremely unlikely that a black person would break into his house. He and my sister live in Show Low, AZ, a town with at most a handful of black people. It's also quite close to one of the larger Indian reservations, so if any minority were to break in, it would be someone of the White River Apache tribe.
My brother-in-law insisted that his scenario was very likely. And I again rejected it, so at least he dropped it. But it disturbs me that he actually believes that he is in constant danger of some sort of attack from some nebulous "other". This seems to be a huge motivator for conservatives. I don't know what to do about it.
Posted by: Wolfdaughter on November 17, 2009 at 1:06 PM | PERMALINK
Shadegg is just trying to get a cup of tea.
The real question will all the republican candidates who are racing to the right to court the teabaggers will fare in the next election?
It seems to me that being such a boorish, craven, mysogynistic, willfully ignorant asshole can't be that appealing to voters, even in Arizon.
Posted by: Winkandanod on November 17, 2009 at 1:08 PM | PERMALINK
Why does Shadegg hate the Constitution?
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A3Sec2
"The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed."
Of course as a Great (?) American once taught us:
"It's just a God damn piece of paper"
Posted by: Bruce Webb on November 17, 2009 at 1:11 PM | PERMALINK
Can someone explain to me why terrorists could not kidnap the same people wherever they were tried?
Oh, yes, nobody has ever been kidnapped by foreign terrorists in recent history.
These people are cowards.
Posted by: John Tomas on November 17, 2009 at 1:28 PM | PERMALINK
when it's your daughter that's kidnapped at school by a terrorist?
Apparently, Mr. Shadegg cannot wait until 24 starts up again in January.
Posted by: Bobo Teh Clown on November 17, 2009 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK
Over at TAPPED, A. Serwer had good point about Shadegg and his ilk:
"It's not like that can't be flipped around though. I wonder how opponents of trying terrorists in civilian court would react to being asked how they'd feel if their children were imprisoned without trial for years and tortured on suspicion of being a bad guy. Of course, some people are fine with unconstitutional government behavior as long as they're not on the receiving end. True tyranny is raising the top marginal tax rate to 39.2 percent."
Posted by: meander on November 17, 2009 at 2:01 PM | PERMALINK
Rovian politics pure and simple. An endless loop should play of Bush saying yes he could work with the dems in congress. He really didn't think dems were freedom hating, terrorist lovers, that it was just politics only day after the 06 mid-terms. It should be running somewhere for all to see!
Posted by: jbofmo on November 17, 2009 at 2:05 PM | PERMALINK
If something happened to my kid, I would blame the c*********r that came up with the idea in the first place, Shadegg.
Posted by: Hazy on November 17, 2009 at 3:33 PM | PERMALINK
rep. shadegg, how would you feel if an acorn hit you on the head and you had to run and tell the King the sky was falling?
Posted by: mellowjohn on November 17, 2009 at 3:39 PM | PERMALINK
Gee, do all the men from Arizona wear lace on their panties?
Posted by: J. Frank Parnell on November 17, 2009 at 3:56 PM | PERMALINK
As the family of a billionaire, Bloomberg's family has been attractive targets for kidnapping for years, and I'm sure they have both private security and NYPD protection. If there's one guy in NYC who knows exactly how vulnerable his family is to kidnapping, it's Bloomberg.
Posted by: alameda on November 17, 2009 at 10:00 PM | PERMALINK
I remember when liberals were the pansies?
What a bunch of snivieling cowards this crop of repubs turned out to be,I guess that comes with following lock step for 8 years a comander in chief who slinked away from his duty.
Posted by: kevin k on November 18, 2009 at 12:20 AM | PERMALINK
"Shadegg has been in the House for 15 years but he never spouted bizarre rhetoric until this year."
Let's see...what happened a year ago that would affect a racist idiot in this way? Hmmmmm, what could it be?
Posted by: ral1329 on November 18, 2009 at 10:11 AM | PERMALINK
"..loathsome, even by the standards of congressional Republicans."
Haha! You say that as if Congressional Republicans actually have standards! Oh, Benen, you're such a card!
Posted by: JohnR on November 18, 2009 at 12:03 PM | PERMALINK
Hmm, Aren't there some CIA agents not welcome in Italy anymore because they went into a sovereign country and kidnapped terrorists terrorists on behalf of the US. As long as you are a Republican, rules don't apply.
Posted by: hypocritehater on November 18, 2009 at 12:15 PM | PERMALINK
It's really depressing our country is managed by some seriously fucking awful people.
Posted by: Corey on November 18, 2009 at 12:32 PM | PERMALINK
Kidnapping Bloomberg's daughter? one wonders how the 'terraists" would get such an idea...couldn't have been when the U.S. grabbed KSM's young(9 and 6)sons, BTW way where are they now? Buellar, Buellar...anyone?
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