November 21, 2009
ALL HE IS SAYING, IS GIVE ESCALATION A CHANCE.... I'll take, "People whose opinions should no longer matter" for $100, Alex. (via Atrios)
US Senator John McCain predicted an allied win in Afghanistan in one year to 18 months if sufficient troops are sent, as the White House mulls sending tens of thousands of reinforcements. [...]
"I am absolutely convinced and totally confident that with sufficient resources we can turn the situation around," McCain told reporters at an international defense summit in easternmost Canada.
"I even am bold enough to predict that in a year to 18 months you will see success if the effort is sufficiently resourced and there is a commitment to get the job done before setting a date to leave the region," he said.
McCain didn't get around to explaining why his perspective on this should have any salience at all, which is a shame. I'd love to hear why anyone should take him seriously on the subject.
Keep in mind, as recently as a year ago, McCain rejected talk of sending additional U.S. troops to Afghanistan. He later changed his mind, and then changed it back. The seriousness with which McCain took U.S. policy in Afghanistan became clear when the senator endorsed the notorious "muddle through" strategy.
But of particular interest right now, it'll be great to hear McCain flesh out this position in more detail. In 12 to 18 months, he says, the U.S. will "see success" in Afghanistan, but only if an additional 40,000 troops are on the ground. But what does "success" mean? Gen. McChrystal has said largely the opposite -- that the mission may very well fail even with an escalation.
McCain has long loved bumper-sticker-style slogans as a substitute for actual thinking about foreign policy. But that's all the more reason to press further. What does "get the job done" mean? What can 108,000 soldiers do that 68,000 soldiers have not? If escalation is the key to success, why has McCain resisted troop increases in the past?
Inquiring minds want to know.
—Steve Benen 9:50 AM
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If we just send a few more troops, they'll have a WalMart, a McDonalds, and indoor plumbing in no time.
Posted by: Sebastian-PGP on November 21, 2009 at 9:59 AM | PERMALINK
john mccain is a us senator. Why does his opinion not matter? Hubris is bad mmkay.
Posted by: chaos on November 21, 2009 at 10:01 AM | PERMALINK
He can't give you the details, steve, it's a Secret plan...
Repugnants do this all the time -- as do journamalists like the Mustache of Understanding, except they are pathetic, these guys like McCain are diabolical -- remember Nixon's "secret plan"?
Posted by: neill on November 21, 2009 at 10:10 AM | PERMALINK
I'm reminded of Ford's WIN (Whip Inflation Now) buttons.
They obviously got the job done- we have no inflation. . .
Posted by: DAY on November 21, 2009 at 10:13 AM | PERMALINK
John McCain is "absolutely convinced" he is right. The man has never been right about anything, anytime, anywhere. There must be an intern available somewhere to begin compiling tidbits like this for the "Big Book of John McCain: a multi-volume collection of embarassments, infidelities, lies, mistakes, and plane crashes." His only purpose in life is to convince other people they are absolutely right. It is the John McCain Litmus Test. If he is absolutely convinced you are wrong, you can be certain you are right. The psychiatrists at work have a field day speculating what kind of illness John McCain suffers from (dementia, anyone?). Is there another country anywhere that puts such woefully incomptent people in power as the United States? If Boris Yeltsin was rampaging through the the streets of Tucson in his underwear, he could give John McCain a run for his money.
Posted by: Broken Arrow on November 21, 2009 at 10:18 AM | PERMALINK
I'd also like to know what he means by "allied" success. Who else will be sending tens of thousands of additional troops?
Posted by: Saint Zak on November 21, 2009 at 10:19 AM | PERMALINK
"But of particular interest right now, it's be great to hear McCain flesh out this position in more detail."
For once, I'd look forward to seeing President McCain on TV. I'd like him on Face the Nation, perhaps, with a camera and a microphone to explain how his plan and knowledge base trump that of the Generals running the war.
Posted by: Mark-NC on November 21, 2009 at 10:24 AM | PERMALINK
Inquiring minds want to know.
No, they don't.
Posted by: Winkandanod on November 21, 2009 at 10:28 AM | PERMALINK
Why do wingnuts love the adjective "bold" so much? Do they have it printed on a little card they carry with them?
Posted by: g on November 21, 2009 at 10:32 AM | PERMALINK
Did the old bastard set an actual number on what constitutes enough troops? I'm pretty sure if we sent one to two billion soldiers to Afghanistan, the Taliban would fold up like a cheap accordion wearing a cheap suit. We just need to get China, Indonesia and India to pony up some troops.
Posted by: hells littlest angel on November 21, 2009 at 10:35 AM | PERMALINK
Gosh, this is like Little Tommy's FU and isn't that handy? We can all say to the esteemed Senator, FU.
Posted by: Maude on November 21, 2009 at 10:52 AM | PERMALINK
In McCain's mind, all he is doing is calling for a replication of the surge in Iraq, about which he was 100% right and we won that war because Bush listened to him so there. And anything Obama does is likely to be short of what McCain is calling for, therefore he can claim it would have been better doing it his way when he's campaigning for re-election next year. In other words, it's just political posturing from a delusional narcissist.
Posted by: Shalimar on November 21, 2009 at 10:54 AM | PERMALINK
Last week, John McCain proclaimed that he knew how to win wars. Today, he's taking it a step further, telling voters that he not only knows how to capture and bring to justice Osama bin Laden, but is going to do it.
Appearing on the Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer, the Arizona Republican was reminded that he had vowed to bring Osama bin Laden to justice and was asked how he would differ in that task from President Bush.
Initially saying that he would not "telegraph" the specifics, McCain declared, "Look, I know the area, I've been there, I know wars, I know how to win wars, and I know how to improve our capabilities so that we will capture Osama bin Laden -- or put it this way, bring him to justice... We will do it, I know how to do it."
huffpo Sam Stein 7/25/08.
Another closely held secret or the onset of alzheimers. Come on Johnny, please end this war and tell us.
Posted by: Dave on November 21, 2009 at 10:55 AM | PERMALINK
McCain makes a poor ventrioloquist. You can always see his lips move when he's talking out of his ass.
Posted by: sparrow on November 21, 2009 at 11:11 AM | PERMALINK
Another thing McCain knows how to do. Suck on the government tit his entire life. Free healthcare from his and his daddys service. Free education at the Naval Academy. And now a retirement and more free healthcare for the rest of his life from serving in Congress, along with a sugar mommy to add to all that. What a tough existence.
Posted by: Dave on November 21, 2009 at 11:13 AM | PERMALINK
Er...didn't Gramps guarantee he'd win the election, too?
Posted by: mars on November 21, 2009 at 12:07 PM | PERMALINK
In viewing the hearings on Homeland Security today, McCain asked those testifying if they thought the Ft Hood incident was an act of terror. I think that shows where his priorities lie. Senator Levin I think countered with bringing up Pat Robertsons comments about all of Islam itself being the problem. Those testifying condemned Robertson saying the comments infammed the situation as being a tool for recruitment by terrorists. McCain is nothing more than a partisan hack wingnut when asking for an opinion, when the investigation is ongoing.
Posted by: Dave on November 21, 2009 at 2:49 PM | PERMALINK
Look, John McCain has personally told me that this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of bullshit. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle.
Or was that George Patton in June 1944? Oh well, what's the difference.
Posted by: Squeaky McCrinkle on November 21, 2009 at 2:51 PM | PERMALINK
"I even am bold enough to predict that in a year to 18 months you will see success if the effort is sufficiently resourced and there is a commitment to get the job done before setting a date to leave the region" - John McCain
McCain went on to promised that he would reveal his secret plan on how to capture bin Laden to the president, should he follow his advice.
Posted by: SRW1 on November 21, 2009 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK
"Why do wingnuts love the adjective "bold" so much?"
Most adjectives have too many syllables to grunt out properly. 'Bold' has only one syllable and is so easy to pronounce, a Neanderthal can do it. Even George Bush can say 'bold' properly.
Posted by: fostert on November 21, 2009 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK
Please don't question the judgment of President McCain...he'll be on the talk shows this Sunday to explain everything
Posted by: johnr on November 21, 2009 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK
fostert, @ 15:50,
You may have something there, though I've always thought that the problem was in transcripts: they actually say "bald", not "bold".
Posted by: exlibra on November 21, 2009 at 4:31 PM | PERMALINK
"they actually say "bald", not "bold""
Well, they are certainly more bald than bold. So you're probably right. I myself will never face that issue. My family goes bald very late and dies very young. It took my father three rounds of aggressive chemo before he lost his hair, and then he died. But not until his hair grew back.
Posted by: fostert on November 21, 2009 at 4:51 PM | PERMALINK
"fostert, @ 15:50,"
Nice use of military time, by the way. Our lives would be easier if we all went on it. And a lot of countries already have. A lot of things in the military don't make sense, but military time does.
Posted by: fostert on November 21, 2009 at 4:57 PM | PERMALINK
Former navy captain John McCain III believes that war makes for good business in Arizona. Killing for the USA has been in his family for generations. He enjoys war anywhere and anytime. If the navy would take him; he'd go now at the age of 73. As he knows that he's too old to kill for the good old US of A; he makes of himself an enthusiastic war supporter. He believes that war veterans should tough-out their rehabilitation. He can't stop re-living his time in the "hotel."
Posted by: JC on November 21, 2009 at 5:20 PM | PERMALINK
"Look, I know the area, I've been there, I know wars, I know how to win wars, ..."
He's BEEN there. Yeah, right. On a guarded tour of Kabul?
He knows how to WIN wars? Just how does he know that. The only war he served in, the USA lost. AND he spent it pretty much behind bars after he bombed people from thousands of feet in the air.
I'm sick and tired of hearing the blowhard not only profess to military expertise he just does NOT have, but having the MSM believe he has it, too.
Posted by: Cal Gal on November 21, 2009 at 10:20 PM | PERMALINK
wow, only two or three [who's counting?] friedman units and it's ponies for everybody
Posted by: dj spellchecka on November 22, 2009 at 3:43 PM | PERMALINK