Sadly, no matter how the China trip plays out, the MSLP will continue to call it a failure.

AND, according to the MSLP, Obama's next trip is already a failure. They just have to wait for it to happen to print the obituary.

Except Republicans don't believe in global warming so China's deal doesn't make any difference...until they wipe out our wind turbine and solar cell industries.

Viva Obama?

Well, OK.

But let me ask you, Benen: Do you plan to join the army and request duty as a combat infantryman in Afghanistan?

Next up: the mainstream media complains about the improper way Obama ties his shoelaces. Film at 11.

Pres. Obama is doing what he can despite his critics! He is thoughtful, engaging and has shown a quiet diplomacy some of these current media types are not familiar with. The media has become the message, and is merely preserving what it thinks is best for it!

Touche to journalists like James Fallows! What a better informed nation we'd be if more reporters could do their jobs with a bit more sobriety! -Kevo

I look forward with hedged hopes that the ostracization of non villager opinion has become less fashionable , but I don't think so .

Mr. Benen, I'm surprised at you.

Correlation is not causation.

Just because all this terrific international diplomacy happened at the same time as Obama's visit doesn't mean he was responsible for any of it.

In fact, it's probably best that you should assume that nothing good that happens for the next four years can possibly be a result of any Democrat.

Accepting this is a whole lot easier than all this reading you must be doing to come up with these controversial opinions you keep spouting.

Three words of advice: Watch more TV.

From the NYT article on China's global warming emissions policy:

The Chinese propose, by 2020, to reduce so-called carbon intensity — or the amount of carbon dioxide emitted per unit of economic output — by 40 to 45 percent compared with 2005 levels. By that measure, emissions would still increase, though the rate would slow. That falls far short of what many in Europe and other nations had hoped for — an increase in energy efficiency of at least 50 percent.

Analysts said the Chinese offer might take some of the pressure off the United States, which is offering to reduce the total tonnage of its greenhouse gas emissions “in the range of” 17 percent below 2005 levels by 2020 and 83 percent by 2050. But now China seems to be offering almost no deviation from its business-as-usual path, a more troubling development to some.

Yes indeed, that sure sounds like a whole lot of success to me, yeppers.

"...that sure sounds like a whole lot of success to me, yeppers." TCinLA @ 12:00 PM.
Yup, those durn Chinese are just going to throw the rest of the world under the bus!
The Chinese are planning to cut their production of carbon emissions by 40-45% by 2020 for all their manufacturing and you find that a failure? Short of halving their population, just what do you offer to the Chinese government and people to produce a better result? Or the rest of us, for that matter.
Dolt.

Doug, how do you not understand the Chinese pledge will play absolutely no role in reducing greenhouse gas emissions - something the U.S. will promise at Copenhagen - and is therefore essentially meaningless? Beyond meaningless, in that Chinese emissions will increase. Clearly you are the dolt.

The draft, which was originally prepared by China, was finalized after some changes during a 7-hour long meeting of BASIC countries-Brazil, South Africa, India and China besides Sudan as the chair of G-77.
This joint front forged on Saturday is a major political initiative -- the first major India-China accord on international affairs--that is likely to impact not just the dimension of the talks on climate change but international diplomacy as a whole. The move comes after recent discussions on climate change held with Indian and Chinese leaders by US president Barack Obama, who appears to have made little impact on them.

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