So the TARP bailout was $700 billion dollars. You say all the wall street banks have paid back the money. Separate articles frequently refer to the amount which the banks have paid back up to this point as being about $200 billion.

Where did the other $500 billion go?

"But the public might not see any of the [lost]e-mails for quite some time because they will now go through the National Archives normal process for releasing presidential and agency records." - AP

But future generations will find out just how despicable the Bush administration actually was, despite Dick Cheney's efforts to rewrite history.

Too bad Holy Joe can't "meet his maker" in time for Corzine to appoint Ned Lamont to the seat, so we can have an actual Democrat.

If they sell out to this scummyh little putz now and he pulls worse, and the Democrats don't just summarily kick him out of the caucus, then the Democrats will have lost my vote in the future, that's for sure. I keep thinking to how Barbara Boxer even went along with the sellout of Lamont in 2006. They're all getting what they deserve with this little bastard, but why do we have to pay the price???

i'm not sure i can support sen. lieberman's bill UNLESS ALL YOU PEOPLE START PAYING MORE ATTENTION TO ME. I MEAN IT NOW. DROP EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING AND GIVE ME MY PROPS. RIGHT NOW. AND IF YOU DON'T, I'M GOING ON THE SUNDAY TALK SHOWS AND BITCH AND WHINE AND MOAN - JUST LIKE DEPBUTY DAWG - TILL YOU'RE SICK OF ME. AND THEN I'LL DO IT NEXT WEEK, TOO.
thank you.

"* Efforts to lower the volume on television ads are facing resistance from congressional Republicans."

i read the article that was linked but i still don't get the reason why the republicans are against it.

TCinLA - as much as I dislike Lieberman, if anything "happens to him", Connecticut governor Jodi Rell will nominate a successor, not NJ's Jon Corzine.

Since Rell is a Republican, she'd probably appoint one of her own kind. Not that Lieberman is much better than a Republican, but....

Oh, and "22 MILLION" missing emails have been found from the Bush/Cheney administration? That's astounding.

Peg wonders why the Rethuglicans are against [fill in the blank]. I didn't bother reading the article because the premise made sense, and it's clear by now that the Party of No would vote against gravity or the sun coming up in the morning if a resolution of support were offered by a Democrat.

LOL! Thanks, Ward!

i just wanted to see what silly reason the GPOers were throwing out there -- like everything else the GOPers are doing, or NOT doing.

"A poll released today shows a whopping 81% of Dems support punishing Joe Lieberman for his behavior in the health care debate."

Ignore this at your 2010 peril.

Bring your A game folks

TCinL: Too bad Holy Joe can't "meet his maker"

Deep breaths everyone.
And "A" as in Acquiesce...
25 push ups for you TCinLA.
Butt down, and nose to the crack in the pavement on everyone of them please...

Looky: No one wants to see Joe Lieberman hurt.
Especially not any of the millions, fast approaching 55 years in age, that had the prospect of future health care security ripped out from under them today by Uncle Joe. He really has our best interests at heart. And if we have to sacrifice our health care peace of mind for Joe's every shifting principles, so be it...

Deep breaths everyone.

Sit back and suck up the bad fucking Joe gave middle aged Americans today like the obedient men and subservient women we've all become. Although, if one of you were to photoshop in Joe's face in for Silvio Berlusconi's bloodied mug... I won't stop you. That's a fine way to let off steam. And we need to do that. Because I've got some bad news for you:

Joe ain't done fucking with us yet.

As a campaign issue voting against noise level controls on TeeVee commercials will in all likelyhood be more important to the vast majority of Americans than saving the economy or the ecosystem from certain calamity.

Regarding Mr. Lieberman: so what lies ahead????
Authors Irwin Redlener and Roy Grant, 12/3/09, in the New England Journal of Medicine
note that "Still, even with multiple safety-net options, including community health centers, public hospitals, and clinics, at least 22,000 people died in the U.S. in 2006 because they lacked health insurance and had limited access to health care. And the number of deaths related to lack of coverage has been increasing by about 1000 evey year."
Footnote: Dorn, S. Uninsured and dying because of it: updating the Institute of Medicine analysis on the impact of uninsurance on mortality. Washington D.C: Urban Institute, January 2008. (Accessed 11/16/09 at http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/411588_uninsured_dying.pdf

Steve, nice job getting on TV talking about an issue that needs to get noticed (the rise of the filibuster). Between you and Greg Sergent getting an escalation in your visibility today we can at least chock up a win for new media. Well presented.

Great job on Maddow tonight, Steve! You really explained it so well, depressing as the Filibuster story is.

Time for folks to really begin to speak out against this horrible process!

I just can't believe Lieberman has this much power and...he seems rather (bizarrely) detached from his own words..like a puppet of sorts..I suppose he is a puppet..of the Insurance companies and Big Pharma that his wife and he are in bed with..

I'm SO depressed that we came this close..how can that man live with himself..and Reid must really feel beaten up..along with everyone who has worked so long and hard..

Wow..I was really hoping for that option at 55--for myself and others I know who are in binds.

A poll released today shows a whopping 81% of Dems support punishing Joe Lieberman for his behavior in the health care debate.
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Sadly, since support is well below the critical 90% level needed for any action, there is nothing the Dems can do. Besides, he's with us on everything important.

Pat skrev :

> Steve. Entry into the Congressional media
> galleries ... isn't for biased party cheerleaders

Oh. Who knew?

May I deduce from this rubric that predictable cheerleaders such as Judith "aspens" Miller, Fred Hiatt, Mona Charen, Victor Hanson Davis, Krauthammer, George F. Will, Anne Applebaum, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and Brit Hume will henceforth be routinely excluded ?

I do wonder just what others could have done..like say Obama? It sure seems he dropped the ball big time on this one..he didn't ever really draw the line in the sand with a Public Option..and what did he do personally to win over the hesitant ones? Not nearly enough..Too busy jet-setting around..I can't believe how much traveling he's done this year..Was it all necessary? Me thinks he is just restless and likes to get out a lot...

I'm glad for Ted Kennedy that he's not alive to witness this travesty of justice.

What's left of the bill?

Talk about R.I.P.

Al Gore explains that ice in Arctic Ocean may vanish by 2014.

Just in time for the 2012 Republican Presidential Campaign to run on a platform of "drill the pole, baby".

* Inclement weather hurt attendance, but President Obama nevertheless pressured bank execs today "to take 'extraordinary' steps to revive lending for small businesses and homeowners, drawing a firm commitment from one large bank to make more loans and vaguer assurances from others."

The Citi honcho was sending a sub in any case, and two others (Morgan Stanley, and, wait for it....Goldman Sachs!) couldn't be bothered to get their asses to DC the night before to ensure their attendance.

Quakin' in their boots, they is. President Ineffectual.

[Hello, Pat. We banned you ages ago. Your comments are not being deleted because the represent an 'opposing viewpoint.' They are being deleted because you are banned. --Moderator]

So whats left in this health care reform thats worth supporting? I'm dismayed. Whats Obama willing to fight for? Anything? For god's sake whats its going to take for the dems and the president to get a clue? We worked for these people and supported them and this is what we get?

The taste of Lieberman in your mouth

If what TPM is reporting is true...
I am going to vomit Democratic party in the morning. And many others will too.
This will be a direction changer for a lot of folks. And for good reason too...

The dominant party might have pulled this sort of stunt before the internet existed. But not now. Not with the sort of connectivity that exists. Not without serious suicidal repercussions.

My prediction: The center will not hold around a policy and ethics that appears to appease, cater to, and empower one person to destroy so much health care hope for so many in one fell swoop. Such a policy is beyond being fucked: It flagrantly and fatally weakens this presidency.

And no amount of massaging this policy with pragmatics and logic will help. Joe and his dirty deed, and the seemingly overt Democratic party support of that deed isn't going to fade any time soon. This is going to get turn-off, drop-out, bat-shit ugly.

Wow. Talk about cutting your own electoral throat.
This is a record breaking sling blade stuff...

OK, so if the Arctic icecap melt is going so much faster, what does that mean for Greenland and all its ice? Is sea rise set to accelerate?

The deniers won't hear the people drowning in Micronesia and Bangladesh, but we'll hear all of them living in southern Florida, the Delta, the Low Country demanding compensation as the waves lap their driveway.

Screw 'em. Act of God. Right?

Get out of the way.

Tell me, what does Lieberman have on Obama?

I am convinced we will not get health care unless people gets their butts off their sofas, turn off their big screen TVs and take to the streets.

Lieberman is, as so well put, a scummy little putz, and the Repubs. of course, just as bad.

With the Senate bought and paid for it will take people willing to act on their convictions to get health care. Meanwhile, we head quickly down the road to a banana republic.

Dems should move to hold hearings on the ACORN videotapes. This should include an offer to refer any and all illegal behavior uncovered to the DOJ for prosecution.

First, however, they should issue congressional subpoenas for the original, unedited tapes from every visit that O'Keefe and Giles made to ACORN offices, and schedule the first hearing for a few weeks after the subpoenas have been offered.

Under those circumstances, I expect that O'Keefe and Giles would be much more likely to face charges than ACORN.

Alternately, I am surprised ACORN hasn't filed a defamation suit against those two. Even if they don't win, I would think a decent lawyer could force disclosure of the unedited tapes during discovery.

>>Al Gore explains that ice in Arctic Ocean may vanish by 2014.>>Al Gore explains that ice in Arctic Ocean may vanish by 2014.

Dr Maslowski, whose work he cited, wasn't too happy about Gore's comments:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/copenhagen/article6956783.ece

I'm far from a global warming 'denier', but I have to say that Gore is a serial bullsh****r, who provides ammunition to the do-nothing crowd.

"OK, so if the Arctic icecap melt is going so much faster, what does that mean for Greenland and all its ice? Is sea rise set to accelerate?" - notthere

The Greenland icesheets are melting, too. Earlier, they were predicted to go by the end of the century. That timetable has been moved up dramatically.

Melting sea ice, as in the Arctic, does not raise sea levels much. Melting land ice, such as Greenland and Antarctica, is a different story. IIRC correctly, Greenland has sequestered several feet of sea level, so that is the one to watch.

So, a melted North Pole doesn't do much vis-a-vis the current sea levels. Ecologically, it will be a disaster for polar bears.

Marko wrote: "Melting sea ice, as in the Arctic, does not raise sea levels much."

No, but it alters the albedo of the Arctic Ocean as heat-absorbent dark water replaces bright reflective ice, which causes the rapid warming of the Arctic (which is already warming faster than any other part of the Earth) to accelerate, which has far-reaching and truly frightening implications for everything from thawing the Siberian and Canadian permafrost (potentially releasing vast amounts of methane) to altering global weather patterns (potentially causing prolonged, intense, continent-wide droughts in the world's most productive agricultural regions).

I expect it will be the droughts that get us, by wiping out agriculture, long before sea level rise becomes a catastrophic problem.

On the bright side, it will be easier to evacuate coastal cities after they've been depopulated by famine.

"...it alters the albedo of the Arctic Ocean ..."

Absolutely! And there are other issues such as salinity and ocean currents, as well. If it changes the gulf stream, it would actually make Europe a lot colder.

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