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December 15, 2009

WEINER SCARED LIEBERMAN AWAY?.... Sens. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) and Susan Collins (R-Maine) spoke with reporters this morning about the state of the health care debate. Lieberman said that if the leadership meets his conditions -- no public option, no Medicare buy-in -- "I'm going to be in a position where I can say what I've wanted to say all along: that I'm ready to vote for health care reform."

Collins, meanwhile, said she intends to keep pushing her amendments, but she's still opposed to the bill -- even after Lieberman's "improvements" (her word, not mine) -- and will likely vote against reform even if her amendments pass.

I suppose that means the 60th vote will have to come from either Ben Nelson or Olympia Snowe.

But there's something else Lieberman said this morning that stood out for me. In an interview with the New York Times, he conceded that he'd supported a Medicare buy-in previously, but talked about the evolution of his thinking on the subject.

[I]n the interview, Mr. Lieberman said that he grew apprehensive when a formal proposal began to take shape. He said he worried that the program would lead to financial trouble and contribute to the instability of the existing Medicare program.

And he said he was particularly troubled by the overly enthusiastic reaction to the proposal by some liberals, including Representative Anthony Weiner, Democrat of New York, who champions a fully government-run health care system.

"Congressman Weiner made a comment that Medicare-buy in is better than a public option, it's the beginning of a road to single-payer," Mr. Lieberman said. "Jacob Hacker, who's a Yale professor who is actually the man who created the public option, said, 'This is a dream. This is better than a public option. This is a giant step.'"

This is exactly what I was afraid of.

Occasionally, there's something to be said for keeping one's cards a little closer to the vest.

Update: It's also worth noting that the quotes Lieberman attributes to Jacob Hacker are completely wrong. Hacker's only public comments on the policy were on PBS and in a piece for The New Republic. The Yale political scientist simply never said what Lieberman attributes to him.

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I agree completely, and agreed with Steve's earlier post. There are a lot of options that have been discussed that, if read carefully, would scare Republicans. Since they usually don't read, it seemed wise not to spell out for their teeny teeny brains what the potential was, and let the people who can read figure it out.

Posted by: SF on December 15, 2009 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK

Occasionally, there's something to be said for keeping one's cards a little closer to the vest.

Along those lines, I hope Democrats aren't planning to use reconciliation to push through expanded Medicare after getting insurance reforms past Nelson-Lieberman. That would be a bad thing is Democrats did that.

Posted by: JIm on December 15, 2009 at 1:25 PM | PERMALINK

Remember folks, Lieberman is an adult. This actually came out of the mouth of a grown man. Pathetic.

Posted by: Paranoid Floyd on December 15, 2009 at 1:26 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, I had that concern too. It's wise to say less in these situations, but they (he and Dean and others)were hounded by progresives for reassurance, interviewed again and again re: their opinion...so don't forget that..all that 24 hour cable coverage.

And really.. how lame to blame it on such a thing.
So now Lieberman gets to say because a couple of folks were happy with the option, he decided to nix it?

What?! He's that impressionable?! Or that paranoid?!

He can't think for himself?

He doesn't remember that he was very much for it?

What a cop-out. And what an arrogantly revealing response--essentially he's saying he'd rather make them wrong then do
what's right for the country..god forbid he should look like he's going along with his colleagues..

Posted by: Insanity on December 15, 2009 at 1:28 PM | PERMALINK

Congratulations, Senate Dems!!!

Before we begin what I suspect will be a furious attempt to rebrand the reported "compromise" (read: capitulation) on health care as the most meaningful piece of progressive legislation since ever, I think Senate Democrats deserve recognition for doing something that most thought would have been impossible--crafting health care legislation that will, ultimately, please no one.

The Democratic base is going to voice strong objections, because instead of taking bold steps in the face of a health care crisis, you allowed a guy that spent 2008 campaigning for a Republican presidential nominee to have unilateral veto power over the legislation (the optics of that aspect of this story could not possibly be worse).

Good luck getting that base to the polls in 2010. Their motivation to keep or expand a Democratic majority looks like it was rendered meaningless.

So, congratulations, guys. It takes a tremendous amount of skill to singlehandedly imperil a Congressional majority and return bargaining power to a political party that has been spending the last five years circling the drain. Perhaps John Boehner and Mitch McConnell will send you a "thank you" card.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/12/14/814214/-Congratulations,-Senate-Dems!!!

Posted by: what he said on December 15, 2009 at 1:28 PM | PERMALINK

@ JIm

Shush your mouth homey...

Posted by: koreyel on December 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK

And the only reason why they had to be so strong in their support for the Medicare buy-in was that FDL and Daily Kos and others were so damn angry about it and were portraying it as treason to the public option. If they had been mature and cool and focused on policy rather than process, Weiner and Hacker and others could have been more measured.

An irony is that after those folks portrayed the Medicare buy-in as treason it became treason to take it out.

Posted by: Amy on December 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

I second Paranoid Floyd, but let's be real: Lieberman will continue to gin up whatever excuse he can to obstruct HCR. Blaming its proponents' enthusiasm is a particularly transparent example.

Posted by: Dave S. on December 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

This post is an instance of the Lieberman Fallacy, which is to conclude that Lieberman believes X from the fact Lieberman says that X rather to simply explain his saying X on the grounds that his saying X aids the Republican Party.

Posted by: urkel on December 15, 2009 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK

Moments like the present are the little pieces of the iceberg that bob above the surface -- of a country that is owned by and controlled by gigantic corporations, usually on the phone, behind closed doors, and through electronic fund transfers...

The CEOs of all the medical insurance companies will have the merriest of Christmases this year that they have ever had -- and, my friends, this buncha asshole criminal vampires have had all too many merry christmases.

This moment wont be remembered by the American peeps. The American peeps can't handle the truth (thank you Jack Nicholson for the appropriate inflection of that phrase).

No, Upton Sinclair is correct: A whole lifestyle is contingent on the forgetting that this exposed flexing of corporate power and the mealy performances of despicable corporate agents in the halls of Congress have once again crushed the life out of a decent society.

People will die over this. Corporations will grow fat and prosperous.

Whatta country!

Posted by: neill on December 15, 2009 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK

How about this:

1) After Obama spent the last couple of months revealing that he wasn't willing or able to push things, there are several nominally Dem Senators who are going to get their turn playing 'Senate Veto'. There are huge potential rewards in terms of ego and payoffs.

2) A number of these guys oppose the bill, and will oppose it unless and until it's been gutted of everything except payoffs to insurance and pharamceutical companies. They'll keep on playing that game until the bill dies of old age.

3) There are a hard core group of people like you, Yglesias, Klein and DeLong who just don't realize what's going on. Of course, in the long run you will, sometime after the 2010 midterm triumph of the GOP. At which time you can blame it on Evul Naderite Leftists.

Posted by: Barry on December 15, 2009 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK

Headline win, if you're juvenile like me.

Posted by: Evan on December 15, 2009 at 1:44 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, please. However stupid any particular Senator might be, they routinely have competent staffs who do their thinking for them, and they're well aware of the doors that any particular piece of legislation might be opening. The notion that Weiner's comments did anything more than provide a convenient rationalization for Holy Joe, or that this is somehow the fault of the progressive wing of the party for "making" Weiner say stuff like that, is absolutely precious.

Posted by: dr. bloor on December 15, 2009 at 1:44 PM | PERMALINK

I think his comments about Weiner et al. 'scaring him away' enough to do a 180 should be highlighted to illustrate just how political this stance is..it's NOT ideology...it's clearly personal, political and it's clearly

Obstructionist Extraordinaire: "I will not be for something my Democratic colleagues are--no way,
no how".

Talk about going Rogue! He's another pit-bull with lipstick..except instead of lipstick, it's all those fake big grins
he adorns as he stabs the Dems back again and again.

Posted by: Insanity on December 15, 2009 at 1:44 PM | PERMALINK

The left has been far too timid in figuring out ways to punish Lieberman, Snowe, etc. There has been no discussion of their weaknesses. There has been no discussion of their pet projects. There has been a little talk about the chairmanship, but it has all been talk. If there is to be movement on this bill, move now before it is too late. Banish Lieberman to an office in the basement now. Find out what Israeli financial aid can be blocked that would really piss off Lieberman and do it now. What projects can be halted in Maine and Connecticut by an administrative order? Do it now. Start the punishment and stop the diplomacy!

Posted by: candideinnc on December 15, 2009 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

Term limits.

Lieverman's ugly face was on tv last talking about healthcare reform...from 1995.

It's the same rogues' gallery year after year after year getting rich and powerful at the public's expense and we wonder why nothing ever gets done.

The government needs a high colonic, and probably should have one regularly.

Posted by: SaintZak on December 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM | PERMALINK

We need to be strong and let Joe and the GOP run on sabotaging health care. It is how they will be remembered. A bad bill does not lessen the cost of health care. I say reconcile the MFing budget and get some competition in there. The real brass tacks truth is the cost of medical care is in its own bubble right now. This bill keeps inflating the bubble but it will burst. Health care costs have almost wiped out the middle class.

Posted by: sparko on December 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM | PERMALINK

Neil for once I completely agree with you. Silly human race.

Posted by: Gandalf on December 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM | PERMALINK

This Isn’t Health Reform; It’s Extortion for a Protection Racket

Watching Sherrod Brown, Ron Wyden and Harry Reid try to explain why the Senate’s emasculated health reform bill was still worth voting for was painful. These men know they’ve been defeated and humiliated by an unprincipled extortionist fronting for what amounts to a deadly protection racket.

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/18938

Posted by: pissed off on December 15, 2009 at 1:56 PM | PERMALINK

Gandalf, that's cool...
and for what it's worth, i often agree with you, sorta, kinda...

Posted by: neill on December 15, 2009 at 1:57 PM | PERMALINK

I have to admit I had no idea about his wife's involvement with all of this and just how much they are in bed with Big Pharma and the Insurance companies until recently..still would like to know the extent of it..and I agree progressives have not done near enough to expose this...Maddow I'm sure is on it like she's been with the "Uganda Be kidding me" horror story..but we need a lot more Maddows out there...

Posted by: Insanity on December 15, 2009 at 1:57 PM | PERMALINK

Don't blame the rattlesnake, blame the asshole who put it in your bed.

To the people of Connecticut: Thank you so so much for foisting this unctuous, greasy POS on the rest of America.

I mean, really, you must be so proud...

Posted by: Moonlight on December 15, 2009 at 1:57 PM | PERMALINK

Toucha my Medicare buy-in, I breaka your face

Well candideinnc...

That's certainly how I would play the game.
I'd break Joe's face metaphorically, without using a fist at all.
No way this putz waltzes away with a smile after sabotaging health care security for millions...
No way.

But I'm neither pundit, nor pol.
And I don't sip my tea with my left little finger held akimbo...

Every political action warrants a political reaction.
And revenge is a dish best served hot.
I can understand the necessity of passing this broken legislation.
What I can't abide is letting Joe skate free for his crimes against humanity.

Posted by: koreyel on December 15, 2009 at 2:00 PM | PERMALINK

@ Insanity

You forgot one motive: He's that vindictive.

But then again were not supposed to suppose motive in polite company.

Posted by: JWK on December 15, 2009 at 2:02 PM | PERMALINK

Progressives and political strategy - big problems.

That's why they howl so much. I so dearly wish they were better at the game.

Funny thing is, they think they're better at the game than Obama. And I'm better at golf than Tiger Woods.

Posted by: Stevie Blunder on December 15, 2009 at 2:04 PM | PERMALINK

"Occasionally, there's something to be said for keeping one's cards a little closer to the vest."

This sort of confirms for me what I, and many other non-progressives, inherently suspect is the progressive MO. You can't get your way by being honest and convincing the public of the supposed benefits of your favored legislation, so you lie and cheat and try to slip in through the back door.

Posted by: Harrison on December 15, 2009 at 2:05 PM | PERMALINK

If you want to know how health care reform is progressing watch the health insurance stocks. Pay particular attention to Aetna (AET) and United HealthCare (UNH).
Here is the chart for United HealthCare. The stock has been rising since October.
If the stock is rising, the bill is dying.

Since Lieberman came out against the public option, the stock has jumped over 12%.

Posted by: Gridlock on December 15, 2009 at 2:10 PM | PERMALINK

It's not as if Lieberman wouldn't have heard the argument that Medicare buy-in is better (more liberal) than public option or leads to single payer if Weiner, Hacker, et al had kept their mouths shut. The argument was all over the Right. It was their first response when it was first mooted. Lieberman would have figured out a reason to oppose it if liberals had all been struck dumb.

I suspect the reason he said it was comments by Weiner et al that turned him against the proposal supported by Weiner et al is because he wanted to rub salt in the wound. It's because he's a vindictive creep. And that much, at least, no canny liberal strategy can change.

Posted by: K on December 15, 2009 at 2:14 PM | PERMALINK

With the Status Quo Party in power, we can all expect that any 'changes' to our systems will make some already wealthy people richer. The rest be damned.

An alternative to health care insurance as practiced in America is simply outlawing health care insurance. Cash or credit card for all services. With the free market now in play, the costs of all medical services will plummet to affordable levels. What say you, tea baggers?

Posted by: anomaly on December 15, 2009 at 2:14 PM | PERMALINK

"Occasionally, there's something to be said for keeping one's cards a little closer to the vest."

I would disagree - I was concerned that Medicare buy-in was a trick to turn the "public plan" into a high risk pool.

But when Hacker/Weiner/Howard Dean expressed their important, I support it now.

Unless... unless Hacker and Weiner are bluffing?

Posted by: Ohioan on December 15, 2009 at 2:14 PM | PERMALINK
Steve: "Occasionally, there's something to be said for keeping one's cards a little closer to the vest."

And occasionally, there's something to be said for growing a pair.

I've never seen such sorry-assed examples of Senate Democrats in my life, that they would cave to the likes of the duplicitous Joe Lieberman on such an important issue to a lot of struggling and suffering people. That self-absorbed jackass is to Jewish compassion and piety what Friar Tomás de Torquemada was to the moral tenets of Roman Catholicism.

What a pathetic example of leadership Harry Reid provides us. I'll lay you even odds that Lieberman even gets to keep his committee chairmanship. LBJ, Hubert Humphrey and Mike Mansfield must be rolling over in their graves.

Fuck 'em. With the exception of Barbara Boxer and Al Franken, none of them are getting a dime from me this election cycle. Let 'em go see their friends on K Street, since they apparently prefer their company to ours.

Posted by: Out & About in the Castro on December 15, 2009 at 2:25 PM | PERMALINK

Harrison writes:

This sort of confirms for me what I, and many other non-progressives, inherently suspect is the progressive MO. You can't get your way by being honest and convincing the public of the supposed benefits of your favored legislation, so you lie and cheat and try to slip in through the back door.
You've got that completely backwards. Progressive policies poll well with the public. The ones you have to sneak past are non-progressive politicians, who don't care about the public.

Posted by: Daryl McCullough on December 15, 2009 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman is a reptile and the Senate Republicans are fanatics. Collins and Snowe might be angling for graft, or they might be afraid of being primaried. But trying to figure out their thought processes is silly.

Posted by: John Emerson on December 15, 2009 at 2:27 PM | PERMALINK

So it's confirmed, Lieberman says that he changed his mind because he didn't think he was hurting the Liberals enough. If we had all screamed and wailed that the Medicaire buy-in was horrible, he'd be supporting it now.

How the hell could anyone ever reason with this childish cretin?

Posted by: Capt Kirk on December 15, 2009 at 2:35 PM | PERMALINK

Right.....why the F would you believe ANYTHING LIEberman says. He is a self centered evil tool of the insurance companies.

Posted by: USAFVET on December 15, 2009 at 2:35 PM | PERMALINK

I am embarrassed,Steve, that you bring this up. Do you seriously think that Lieberprick didn't bring up Weiner's name because he knows he been on the teevee getting attention for pushing single payor. If it wasn't Weiner, he would have said Grayson's name. And if nobody had gone on, Lieberprick would have come up with some other excuse. His hands really should be red with all the blood on them.

Posted by: warren terrah on December 15, 2009 at 2:37 PM | PERMALINK

Steve I call bullshit.

Had Weiner and any other liberal Dems kept their mouths shut about the Medicare buy-in, Lieberman STILL would have found some dumbass excuse to vote against reform.

Yes he enjoys pissing off liberals, but deep down inside he's just a wanker regardless of who he wants to piss off.

Posted by: P-Dog on December 15, 2009 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

Yes, I remember when Weiner said that and I thought at the time I wish he hadn't said that...that is what private ins is most against...single payer.

Just don't state your intended long term goal because then the slow ones really won't figure out what that is or try to block you from attaining it and may never figure it out till it's too late.

Many legislators are just not all that bright but somehow managed to get voted into office anyway.

Posted by: bjobotts on December 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM | PERMALINK

what he said:"Perhaps John Boehner and Mitch McConnell will send you a "thank you" card."

To paraphrase Ron Silver from West Wing, they'll probably send it over with a candy-gram and a couple strippers. WooHoo! Its Christmas at the RNC!

Posted by: David Eoll on December 15, 2009 at 3:11 PM | PERMALINK

"You've got that completely backwards. Progressive policies poll well with the public. The ones you have to sneak past are non-progressive politicians, who don't care about the public."

Sure, progressive policies poll well when the questions are framed as if people will be getting something for free from the govt. i.e. "Would you favor or oppose a program that creates a national single-payer plan similar to Medicare for all, in which the government would provide healthcare insurance to all Americans?" (49% favor, from a July Time poll)

When the caveats are included in such questioning, however (mandates, increased taxes, lower quality of care for the elderly), support drops into the 30s. Hence, progressive,s need to be deceptive about their intentions.

Posted by: Harrison on December 15, 2009 at 3:17 PM | PERMALINK

We have government of Joe Lieberman, by Joe Lieberman, and for Joe Lieberman.

Lieberman has made himself into dictator for life, and he will use his power to get revenge on everyone who wronged him.

Please do not blame anyone but Lieberman for the damage Lieberman is doing to our democracy.

Traitor Joe is a liar who must be stopped.

The Democratic Party has to take Lieberman's Chairmanships away from him. When it matters, Lieberman votes with Rush Limbaugh. Lieberman is not even a moderate Republican.

How many more times will progressives and even centrist and right of center Democrats allow themselves to be held hostage to this awful, shallow, husk?

Throw Lieberman out and go with 51 vote passage. Reid has nothing to lose and the Democrats have nothing to lose. From the tax giveaway to the wealthy to the Iraq War to loading the Supreme Court with right wing zealots who don't even pretend to do anything but give power to the rich, the Cloture Rule has been completely ineffective for Democrats.

Even when Democrats win elections, Rush Limbaugh creates laws thanks to this simpering fraud, Joe Lieberman.

I cannot be the only person who has never been so disgusted in my 60 years on this planet as I am by Liberman. Throw the bum out!!!!!

Posted by: tomcj on December 15, 2009 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK

Anybody who believes Lieberman's excuse is moronic.

Posted by: Boronx on December 15, 2009 at 3:32 PM | PERMALINK

Reconciliation is something that has been discussed, and I understand that it would take a while to get it done. But I am wondering if this bill is passed without a public option, or medicare buy in, can they be obtained seperately with reconciliation?

Posted by: bonnie on December 15, 2009 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINK

I also call BS. The trouble is that libs kept playing everything close to their chests. When there was hint of progressive pressure (the "block," challenging Arlen from the left, ads against Reid in NV, etc) then we got results. When we backtracked and debated in terms of moderation, the goal posts kept being moved back.

Posted by: Chris_ on December 15, 2009 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINK

Tarbaby ... he don't say nuthin.

Posted by: Douglas Watts on December 15, 2009 at 4:05 PM | PERMALINK

Fuck 'em. With the exception of Barbara Boxer and Al Franken, none of them are getting a dime from me this election cycle.

Ah, yes, Barbara -- Joe's biggest Senate proponent in the 2006 election. Man, was she ever pissed off that Ned Lamont and his supporters had the gall to challenge her good friend Joe.

Posted by: shortstop on December 15, 2009 at 4:06 PM | PERMALINK

I'm so disillusioned and disgusted with our legislative process...the bumper sticker comes to mind: "politicians and diapers should be changed often, for the same reasons"

Posted by: machiado on December 15, 2009 at 4:14 PM | PERMALINK

Paranoid Floyd said:

Remember folks, Lieberman is an adult.

No, Floyd, Joe's not and adult. He's an old man, but he's definitely not an adult. He wields his ego like a typical petulant adolescent.

Posted by: oh really on December 15, 2009 at 4:42 PM | PERMALINK

"Keeping one's cards closer to the vest"??? Give me a break. Lieberman was gloating. It's that simple.

And I'm not so sure Reid is all that innocent in this fiasco. He's managing to give the insurance industry what it wants -- the same guys who are big donors to his campaign -- while blaming it all on Lieberman. I have to wonder if Lieberman taking the fall for gutting an important piece of legislation might have been the price of his chairmanship.

Posted by: jeri on December 15, 2009 at 4:45 PM | PERMALINK

Should the Dems go the way of the Whigs? I'm leaning yes, right now

Posted by: Jamie on December 15, 2009 at 4:46 PM | PERMALINK

@ candide 1:48 Conn. AND Maine? I don't think either of my senators is in the democratic caucus, and last time I checked they were the two most likely to cross party lines and vote w/ Dems.I have never voted for either Snowe or Collins, but it could be much worse.

Posted by: Jim Olson on December 15, 2009 at 4:48 PM | PERMALINK

>Along those lines, I hope Democrats aren't planning to use >reconciliation to push through expanded Medicare after getting >insurance reforms past Nelson-Lieberman. That would be a bad >thing is Democrats did that.
>Posted by: JIm

JIm, JIm, I'm with hIm!

Reconciliation would be exactly what Big Pharma wants us to do!

Posted by: MarkC on December 15, 2009 at 5:25 PM | PERMALINK

"Don't blame the rattlesnake, blame the asshole who put it in your bed.

To the people of Connecticut: Thank you so so much for foisting this unctuous, greasy POS on the rest of America.

I mean, really, you must be so proud..."

We booted him from the party, it was the leadership who welcomed him back in

Posted by: jefft452 on December 15, 2009 at 5:34 PM | PERMALINK

Barrack Obama is on video saying during the campaign that "One way to get to single-payer is to expand Medicare to 55+."

It is not like this could have been kept a secret.

Posted by: tool of some sort on December 15, 2009 at 5:37 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman was just looking for another lame excuse, Weiner and Hacker provided a convenient one is all.

Posted by: sweaty guy on December 15, 2009 at 8:03 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry, Mr. Benen, but you're wrong. The Senator from Leiberman has shown himself to be narrow, small-minded, vindictive and of having no decent moral values worth mentioning. Had he not recalled Rep. Weiner's remarks, he simply would have found another excuse to vent his spite on the "liberals" who rejected him.
Reconcile the budgetary parts of HCR during the House/Senate conference and let Mr. Lieberman chew on that!

Posted by: Doug on December 15, 2009 at 8:18 PM | PERMALINK

I voted for Lieberman. That vote will haunt me. Imagine if this value-less megalomaniac had somehow made his way into The Oval Office.

Lieberman is a moral vacuum. Lieberman is "Holier than G-d and G-d either owes us or Lieberman an apology.

The Democrats need to leave Lieberman behind: no Caucus Rights, no Chairmanships. Pragmatists argue, rightly, that a successful Majority depends on Lieberman's votes. There will never be a "succesful" anything with Lieberman.

Lieberman is as oily and unprincapled as he seems. Lieberman is in life to prove to G-d that Joe Lieberman is a better man than G-d, because, while God does not pretend to be humble, Piuos Fraud Joe and his absurd Hadassah second wife do pretend to be humbe while they soak the blood out of those who have little and genuflect before Mamon.

I voted for Lieberman. What a sad day that was: Joe must go, now!

Posted by: furiousinnewyork on December 16, 2009 at 9:37 AM | PERMALINK

I voted for Lieberman. That vote will haunt me. Imagine if this value-less megalomaniac had somehow made his way into The Oval Office.

Lieberman is a moral vacuum. Lieberman is "Holier than G-d and G-d either owes us or Lieberman an apology.

The Democrats need to leave Lieberman behind: no Caucus Rights, no Chairmanships. Pragmatists argue, rightly, that a successful Majority depends on Lieberman's votes. There will never be a "succesful" anything with Lieberman.

Lieberman is as oily and unprincapled as he seems. Lieberman is in life to prove to G-d that Joe Lieberman is a better man than G-d, because, while God does not pretend to be humble, Piuos Fraud Joe and his absurd Hadassah second wife do pretend to be humbe while they soak the blood out of those who have little and genuflect before Mamon.

I voted for Lieberman. What a sad day that was: Joe must go, now!

Posted by: karenandrusty on December 16, 2009 at 9:38 AM | PERMALINK

It's all about greed. Lie-berman's Big Pharma contributions are the motivation that drives many in (c)ongess. For him, vindictiveness is just icing on the cake.

Posted by: Bob on December 16, 2009 at 8:28 PM | PERMALINK

[Long, poorly written screeds in all-caps are, as a rule, removed from the threads. --Moderator]

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