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December 18, 2009

'MEANINGFUL' AGREEMENT STRUCK IN COPENHAGEN.... It looked for a while as if the international climate talks in Copenhagen would unravel altogether, producing nothing. But this afternoon, less than a half-day after President Obama arrived in Denmark, and on the final day of the 12-day, 193-nation summit, negotiators appear to have reached a deal. It's reportedly not a great deal, and it's probably a stretch to call it a good deal, but it's evidence of some progress.

World leaders reached a climate deal Friday night, according to an Obama administration official and other sources familiar with the talks. They said the deal provides a means to monitor and verify emissions cuts by developing countries but has less ambitious climate targets than the United States and European governments had initially sought.

An Obama administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said a "meaningful agreement was reached" following a multilateral meeting between President Obama and the leaders of China, India and South Africa. "It's not sufficient to combat the threat of climate change, but it's an important first step," the official said.

"Developed and developing countries have now agreed to listing their national actions and commitments, a finance mechanism, to set a mitigation target of 2 degrees Celsius and to provide information on the implementation of their actions through national communications, with provisions for international consultations and analysis under clearly defined guidelines," the official said. "No country is entirely satisfied with each element, but this is a meaningful and historic step forward and a foundation from which to make further progress."

The biggest shortfall, based on initial reports, appears to be the framework for future agreements: "The accord drops the expected goal of concluding a binding international treaty by the end of 2010, which leaves the implementation of its provisions uncertain. It is likely to undergo many months, perhaps years, of additional negotiation before it emerges in any internationally enforceable form."

Nevertheless, the circumstances that led to the deal sound pretty entertaining:

The deal came after a dramatic moment in which Mr. Obama burst into a meeting of the Chinese, Indian and Brazilian leaders, according to senior administration officials. Chinese protocol officers noisily protested, and Mr. Obama said he did not want them negotiating in secret. The intrusion led to new talks that cemented key terms of the deal, American officials said.

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This is horrible, but all I've got now is this mental image of Barack Obama, wearing his suit and all, busting through a wall like the Kool-Aid man

Posted by: mcc on December 18, 2009 at 4:39 PM | PERMALINK

That.... sounds kind of badass.

But I suppose, when you're the president, and you want to walk into a room, who's going to stop you?

Posted by: Anthony Damiani on December 18, 2009 at 4:42 PM | PERMALINK

Oh yeah!

Posted by: Kool Obama Man on December 18, 2009 at 4:49 PM | PERMALINK

Now, where was this President Obama throughout healthcare reform debate (now debacle)? And imagine if this President Obama dealt with the financial industry and these overpaid executives who needed TARP money? That would have been fantastic.

Posted by: Missouri Mule on December 18, 2009 at 4:58 PM | PERMALINK

If only Sen. Inhofe was still there! He would have protected the private meeting...heck, he would have been in the meet.

Posted by: sduffys on December 18, 2009 at 4:59 PM | PERMALINK

I don't see how this helps anything:

"The draft dropped earlier language that said a binding accord should be reached “as soon as possible,” and no later than at the next meeting of the parties, in Mexico City in November 2010. Instead, the draft set no specific deadline, saying only that the agreement should be reviewed and put in place by 2016."

Just sounds like another delaying tactic. They are agreeing to lay a framework for thinking about committing to talking about something six years from now. Yippee.

Posted by: Buckethead on December 18, 2009 at 5:03 PM | PERMALINK

The biggest shortfall, based on initial reports, appears to be the framework for future agreements: "The accord drops the expected goal of concluding a binding international treaty by the end of 2010, which leaves the implementation of its provisions uncertain. It is likely to undergo many months, perhaps years, of additional negotiation before it emerges in any internationally enforceable form."

So in other words, this is nothing more than SOP for Obama. Meaningless words said at a photo op that doesn't or more likely won't lead to any "solving" of the problem at hand. Other examples of this include his wanting to close Gitmo, wanting a public option in the health care bill, fighting "man-made" climate change, etc.

Besides it's all for show anyway since any chance of passing cap and trade or any other climate change legislation in 2010 is deader than Teddy Kennedy. (Awww, too soon?)

Posted by: Chicounsel on December 18, 2009 at 5:07 PM | PERMALINK

China, India, Brazil --the axis of --what?

Posted by: cld on December 18, 2009 at 5:15 PM | PERMALINK

"Inhofe, what are you doing under that table?!"

Posted by: king buzzo on December 18, 2009 at 5:16 PM | PERMALINK

It's not that this President Obama has been absent during the health care debate. I think he's been present. It's just that he agrees with Nelson and Lieberman.

Posted by: FreakyBeaky on December 18, 2009 at 5:17 PM | PERMALINK

China, India, Brazil --the axis of chop it down, burn it up?

Posted by: cld on December 18, 2009 at 5:21 PM | PERMALINK

Nice.

Posted by: JM on December 18, 2009 at 5:23 PM | PERMALINK

Chicounsel go fuck yourself. Whatever you say is meaningless claptrap. You could care less if anything positive gets done only if yor narrow political views are served so once again go fuck yourself.(in the immortal wwords of onew of your heros Dickless Cheney)

Posted by: Gandalf` on December 18, 2009 at 5:28 PM | PERMALINK

The comments on WaPo are hilarious:

"Time to impeach the zero. He is making agreements that he has no authority to make. This Global Warming Cult has gone to far, time to cut it off."

I didn't know chicounsel trolled the Post. Shows his usual grasp of issues.

Posted by: JM on December 18, 2009 at 5:32 PM | PERMALINK

I don't know if the agreement to come to an agreement at an unspecified later date is an accomplishment or not. I do see how it is important for its ability to be SOLD as an accomplishment by the relevant politicians.

The story is complete with a made-for-tv moment, with Obama busting down the door with a kung-fo kick, and saving Jessica Lynch, I mean the environment, from Saddam bin Laden. I'm sure Obama's team is smart enough that they won't actually hang a "Missioned Accomplished" banner.

Posted by: flubber on December 18, 2009 at 5:36 PM | PERMALINK

Gandalf, thank you for saying to chicounsel what I, as a lady, cannot.

Posted by: maggie on December 18, 2009 at 5:53 PM | PERMALINK

mcc
"This is horrible, but all I've got now is this mental image of Barack Obama, wearing his suit and all, busting through a wall like the Kool-Aid man"

SNL is taking notes I'm sure...

Posted by: teoco on December 18, 2009 at 6:54 PM | PERMALINK

Thank you Gandalf.

Posted by: 'Frodo' on December 18, 2009 at 7:02 PM | PERMALINK

"The accord drops the expected goal of concluding a binding international treaty by the end of 2010, which leaves the implementation of its provisions uncertain. It is likely to undergo many months, perhaps years, of additional negotiation before it emerges in any internationally enforceable form."

Does this mean that they don't have to repeat the whole meeting next year in Mexico City?

Posted by: MatthewRMarler on December 18, 2009 at 7:22 PM | PERMALINK

Is this when 'rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal' ?

Posted by: MatthewRMarler on December 18, 2009 at 7:52 PM | PERMALINK

Of course, it's disappointing not to have a more substantive agreement, but I'm very relieved that something good happened. Looks like Obama managed to create some momentum!

Posted by: ceenik on December 18, 2009 at 9:02 PM | PERMALINK

An Obama administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said a "meaningful agreement was reached"

I used to hope these guys were truth tellers.
Now I know they are lying.

Posted by: cwolf on December 18, 2009 at 9:30 PM | PERMALINK

The deal came after a dramatic moment in which Mr. Obama burst into a meeting of the Chinese, Indian and Brazilian leaders

Ha Ha ,,,
Was he wearing his matching pearl handle Six-Guns & White Ten Gallon Hat?

What a crock of shit.

Posted by: cwolf on December 18, 2009 at 10:02 PM | PERMALINK

This agreement is "meaningful" all right.

It means that catastrophic anthropogenic warming and consequent climate change is now inevitable.

On the bright side, it will be much easier to evacuate the world's coastal cities when they are inundated by sea level rise, after they have been mostly depopulated by famine.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on December 19, 2009 at 1:33 PM | PERMALINK

SecularAnimist: It means that catastrophic anthropogenic warming and consequent climate change is now inevitable.
...
On the bright side, it will be much easier to evacuate the world's coastal cities when they are inundated by sea level rise, after they have been mostly depopulated by famine.

And to repeat a point that a bunch of us made for 8 years running, this wasn't Bush's fault. The rest of the world may have thought they were united because Bush thought it was a complete waste of time for him to get involved; now that Obama completely wasted his time getting involved, everyone knows that the rest of the world never agreed at any time.

Meanwhile, without a global agreement, the US, India, China and the EU are building their non-fossil fuel energy economies faster than they are building their fossil fuel economies. And they are all pushing big desalination projects and carbon sequestration and storage projects. There isn't going to be a wide spread famine in the next 30 years, except for places like Sudan and Zimbabwe where famine is a governmental policy.

Posted by: MatthewRMarler on December 19, 2009 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINK
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