Oh, I can't stand all the pissing and moaning going on on the left right now, but even I think this is too much.

Steve. Get hold of yourself, hon. The bill is passed and that's going to have to do for the moment. But let's have the dignity to refrain from describing either it or Harry Reid as something they're not.

Yes, ABC News, this is clearly good news for Republicans... and John McCain.

i.e. that their double-down on obstruction instead of making the bill more to their liking and losing anyway.

Top domestic priority? Who are they trying to fool?

I fought tooth-n-nail for the public option. I told Obama's clowns to stop calling me. When the DNC called to ask that I contact my senator to push for health care reform to pass the senate, I called and asked both senators to vote against the bill. I knew they wouldn't, but I wanted people to know I wasn't happy about the compromised and the comprises. Still, Harry Reid pulled it off...better men and greater politicians have been trying for more than a century and Harry "got'ter done"...pretty damned impressive!

Harry Reid is a weak in the knees spineless jellyfish. Acting like this bill is some kind of massive accomplisment that was orchestrated by the master strokes of Harry Reid is a startling departure from reality and rational thought. It's better than nothing. And frankly that's all you can say about the whole deal.

umm. There are lots of pros and cons about Reid, the bill, etc. However, all I want to say is - give it a rest. Take some time off, happy holidays to you all, and enjoy your families, or do something on behalf of someone, or something, else. Happy holidays.

However, all I want to say is - give it a rest.

You're right. Enough for now. A joyous Festivus to all.

No, it actually does matter what you think of this bill. This process has demonstrated to me just how corrupt and dysfunctional our government has become. No one acquitted themselves well here, not the Republicans, the progressives, the Blue Dogs and the DLC, and not their leaders.

They spent an astounding amount of time producing absolute crap.

This was the return of "Give'em Hell Harry." I hope we see more of him.

I also hope that his next priority is getting rid of the filibuster. Senators representing under 11% of the population control the Congress! Undemocratic, you say?

Ever since Reid became Majority Leader, I have repeatedly expressed my low opinion of him, because I am convinced that he is at heart a conservative, and I am a liberal.

However, I have to give him credit for threading the needle on this one. Here's a tip o' me hat, Senator. Thank you for demonstrating that the Senate Democrats can be led, and that you know how to lead them.

If only Sen. Reid's heart's desire was to lead Senate Democrats in a liberal direction ...

You know there is something wrong with a bill when so much effort has to be taken to convince (bribe) people to vote for it. If it was a good bill there should be no need to do anything but simply vote on it......This is such a poor example of our democratic process......no wonder a good much of the world thinks we are so F'd up.

Utter BS. This is the declare victory and go home strategy that we hoped would happen in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's not right to try and spin it for HCR.

Champagne corks a poppin'!!1!!11!

Next: POLLS!!!11!!! YAHOO!

Baby Jeebus sez:
"Vote Dimocratic, folks!
The Medical Industry (now) Does!"

A left hook, and a straight right jab

Accolades are due...
If you believe these two sentences are true:

1) Barack's reelection is monumentally important.
2) The Republican Party's exists now only to destroy this president's public standing.

This bill makes the (1) more likely, and helps stymie (2). So Reid might have just changed the course of history. We'll never know. But I'd rather live in the universe that maximizes Barack's chance at getting reelected, rather than the universe we just split off from: The universe where HCR doesn't get delivered, and the teabaggers dominate winter town halls, and reform dies a spiteful, feverish, bitter death...

I'd rather live in Iraq than North Korea. Doesn't mean I'd be happy.

I'm not in the "kill bill" crowd, but still to say Reid is some heroic figure is over the top. For starters, he wasn't able to deliver a product nearly as good as Pelosi, who did it faster and with less bad PR. Second, the quotes and stories themselves suggest that Reid had to be given some backbone and prodding from Rahm, and a lot of help brokering votes from Schumer.

Collectively, Obama and a Democratic House and Senate have run up a historically impressive list of accomplishments in year one. But Reid is hardly LBJ. Indeed, I'd say he is the weak link of the three (Obama-Pelosi-Reid).

Give it a rest. Stop complaining. See what happens. I'm sure the lobbyists, corporate lawyers, and insurance company execs aren't pushing as we speak. I'm sure they take a day off. Right?

I won't shed a tear for Reid if he gets tossed on his ass next november, as seems likely. His great accomplishment was to funnel public money to those who abuse the poor and the sick. If I wanted to support that I'd vote republican.

Come to think of it I'm having a very hard time discerning the difference between the parties, what with Obama "surging" in Afghanistan and health reform becoming a code word for corporate giveaways.

What color is the sky on Benen's planet? Where I live Reid was so ineffectual he couldn't keep the caucus in line and was blackmailed into giving Nelson and Lieberman whatever they wanted.

Maybe we can have a progressive leader next November. The conservadem one we have now has not been impressive in the least.

We should give Reid credit for having horrible facts on the ground to deal with - in particular, having just 60 "Democratic" Senators = 58 "real" at best. However, did he try hard enough to threaten majority rule? Did he/Obama use the bully pulpit enough?

"We should give Reid credit for having horrible facts on the ground to deal with - in particular, having just 60 "Democratic" Senators = 58 "real" at best. However, did he try hard enough to threaten majority rule? Did he/Obama use the bully pulpit enough?"

Pelosi had worse circumstance to deal with. Reid had to deal with 6 primadonnas while Pelosi had to juggle 30. Pelosi's bill is a hell of a long ways from great but it was worth passing.

And Pelosi managed to get a republican on board. Reid = FAIL.

Look at Reid's accomplishment from the other end of the stick. Regardless of what you think of the final product, getting all the democrats, including Bayh and Landrieu and Nelson, PLUS Lieberman, to vote in unison on something is phenomenal. Just how incompetent were the republicans to be unable to prevent this from happening? Literally, all they had to do was to persuade Lieberman to be himself. Also, more than anything else, this is the heritage of Bush (and the republiscum in general) being so godawfully incompetent and disaster-inducing that the citizenry completely lost their bearings and elected Obama and a boatload of Democrats.

Let's not get carried away. God bless Reid; he got 60 but he had to give away the store to do it. My money says that if Hillary was Majority Leader, no way pipsqueaks like Nelson, Bayh, and Holy Joe have the balls to mess w/ her, and the bill's much closer to the House version

I'm going to save my praise for Nancy Pelosi. Reid should be primaried by someone with the balls to tell McInsane to STFU and, voted out of office. The first words out of Reid's mouth when Enzi and Grassley showed they were dealing in bad faith should have been "newkewlar option." Emanuel needs to go as well.

Whatever else one may think about Harry Reid, he accomplished something no one else has: he got a bill out of the Senate, and with all Dems united. That is awesome.

I like Pelosi and I have bitched about Reid plenty of times but Stupak does not a Lieberman make. The Senate rules are not like the House's. And Pelosi has a few Repubs she can peel off. Reid kinda sorta once in a while has Snowe.

This thing definitely ought to be called the Reid bill, for better or worse.

"Pelosi had worse circumstance to deal with. Reid had to deal with 6 primadonnas while Pelosi had to juggle 30. Pelosi's bill is a hell of a long ways from great but it was worth passing."

I like Pelosi as much as anyone, but comparing what she had to do with what Reid had to do is like comparing peaches to apricots. Yes, the nectarine, right in between, is legislating, but Pelosi has a whole lot more power over her caucus AND Reid has to get a super majority in a body where the voters are not represented, states are. That means that public opinion has much less influence in the Senate than the House, and that entrenched interests are much more powerful in the Senate than in the House.

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