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December 31, 2009

LEAVE HAWAII ALONE.... This again?

On CNN [yesterday] morning, host John Roberts asked former Romney spokesman Kevin Madden about the hypocritical "heat for this president from the Republicans" regarding the Obama administration's response to the attempted Christmas day terrorist attack. Madden claimed that the two reasons Republicans were launching attacks were that Obama "has very little political capital" on terrorism and that he is "on vacation in Hawaii" at the moment. Madden added that "Hawaii to many Americans seems like a foreign place."

I'd hoped we were past this by now.

You'll recall that, during last year's presidential campaign, Cokie Roberts complained on ABC, "I know his grandmother lives in Hawaii and I know Hawaii is a state, but it has the look of him going off to some sort of foreign, exotic place." Soon after, on NPR, Roberts repeated the criticism, arguing that Obama's vacation destination "makes him seem a little bit more exotic." She added that Hawaii is "a somewhat odd place" for him to take a break, even though he was born in Hawaii and grew up there.

Around the same time, Politico ran a 1,200-word piece -- seriously -- on the political perils of Obama spending eight days vacationing in the state of his birth. It quoted a pollster saying, "For somebody who has been called 'elitist,' going to Hawaii is not exactly going against type. I would rather have him going to national parks."

For some, it seems the silliness continues.

Steve Benen 9:15 AM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (49)

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It is thus ironic that this is exactly where Rush Limbaugh is vacationing, something I know because of news reports of his heart attack and subsequent hospitalization. Evidently Rush and Obama were staying close to each other.

Posted by: Amy on December 31, 2009 at 9:17 AM | PERMALINK

I believe there is at least one national park in Hawaii. Never been there, but I hear it's a doozy.

Posted by: Yellow Dog on December 31, 2009 at 9:18 AM | PERMALINK

"Hawaii to many Americans seems like a foreign place." -- Kevin Madden

That's what I thought about the previous president's vacation spot. Texas seems like a third-world country to me.


Posted by: SteveT on December 31, 2009 at 9:19 AM | PERMALINK

It's only exotic to those on the East Coast because it's like a 10 hour flight there. They go to the beach in Florida instead. On the West Coast, Hawaii is about the same distance Florida is from New York so everyone goes to Hawaii instead. These people need to get out more I think.

Posted by: jmauro on December 31, 2009 at 9:20 AM | PERMALINK

Mitt should watch his lip. Those who think Hawaii "foreign" should try a visit to Utah.

Posted by: penalcolony on December 31, 2009 at 9:21 AM | PERMALINK

Did John McCain secretly win last year since Politico and Cokie Roberts could never be wrong about the "optics" of politics? McCain has been on TV quite a bit this year.

Posted by: CarlP on December 31, 2009 at 9:21 AM | PERMALINK

Madden added that "Hawaii to many Americans seems like a foreign place."

They really do celebrate their stupidity. This is the problem. They believe that in politics, stupidity wins the day. And we will never, ever, be able to out-stupid them.

Posted by: DelCapslock on December 31, 2009 at 9:22 AM | PERMALINK

Now that Limbaugh is in a hospital their, I'm sure they will reinstate Hawaii as a state.

Posted by: martin on December 31, 2009 at 9:26 AM | PERMALINK

Dog-whistle politics: those multi-racials just give some people the willies--so hard to know who's a darkie and who isn't.

Posted by: Steve Paradis on December 31, 2009 at 9:27 AM | PERMALINK

Madden added that "Hawaii to many Americans seems like a foreign place."

Yep, it's not as if any Real Americans in the Real United States cared about Hawaii being bombed by the Japanese in 1941...

Since both Alaska and Hawaii became states in the same year, I guess that makes Alaska a "foreign place," too. I look forward to the commentary about Sarah Palin being out of touch with Real Americans since she's from such an exotic place as Alaska...

Posted by: josef on December 31, 2009 at 9:30 AM | PERMALINK

"Those who think Hawaii "foreign" should try a visit to Utah."

Yup, been there done that. Sidewalks rolled up by dark and no alcohol unless you BYOB. Funny thing though, many mormons doing business in Vegas making money from degenerate gamblers and drinkers. There is a massive temple there too, overlooking the entire valley.

Posted by: Dave on December 31, 2009 at 9:30 AM | PERMALINK

Oh, the irony! Hawaii is the number one tourist destination of Alaskans during the winter months!

Posted by: Russell Aboard M/V Sunshine on December 31, 2009 at 9:30 AM | PERMALINK

LOL Before Florida became the Snowbird capital of the country I recall the hullabaloo over Nixon's fishing vacations on Key Biscayne with his buddy Bebe Rebozo.

Posted by: wlgriffi on December 31, 2009 at 9:31 AM | PERMALINK

Limbaugh probably just went to validate Obama's birth certificate.
Anyone notice that he is back on the pain meds?
That according to report from the hospital.

Posted by: JS on December 31, 2009 at 9:32 AM | PERMALINK

There are two National Parks and several National Historical Parks in the Hawaiian islands. But you couldn't expect a highly-paid political poobah to know something like that, could you?

In any case, those parks are too "exotic," with volcanoes and such. A real American national park should at least have have grizzly bears or rattlesnakes.

Posted by: Virginia on December 31, 2009 at 9:33 AM | PERMALINK

Kevin Madden doesn't know his a** from a hole in the ground.

Posted by: clar-z on December 31, 2009 at 9:37 AM | PERMALINK

Talk to any Texan and he'll tell you Texas is a whole other country ... and better.

Posted by: Robert on December 31, 2009 at 9:39 AM | PERMALINK

Take it from a native, Texas is a third world country surpassed only by Lousyanna. Heartfelt condolences to Hawaii. Hopefully there's a local company that can remove dead whales from the beach :)

Posted by: buddym on December 31, 2009 at 9:40 AM | PERMALINK

It's dog whistle racism. When you think of Texas, you think of the Confederacy, Davy Crockett and Jim Bowie fighting Mexicans at the Alamo, cowboys... When you think of Hawaii, you think of brown people.

Posted by: RepubAnon on December 31, 2009 at 9:43 AM | PERMALINK

Hawaii doesn't read as 'foreign' to me, but it does read as 'luxurious'. The folks Sarah Palin considers to be real Americans don't get to go there for their vacations. If I was on the P.R. team, I'd probably spinning these trips as 'visits home' instead of 'vacations in Hawaii'.

That said, criticizing the president for going home on vacation shows how deep conservatives have to dig to trash the guy.

Posted by: Johnny on December 31, 2009 at 9:52 AM | PERMALINK

1) Saint Ronald Reagan actually did vacation in foreign lands -- Barbados, in particular -- a lot during his first term.

2) "Real American" Sarah Palin went to COLLEGE in Hawaii, of all places, as the first stop on her multi-college journey to her Sports Journalism degree.

But facts don't matter if you are a Republican or a media pundit.

Posted by: Anonny on December 31, 2009 at 10:00 AM | PERMALINK

They really do celebrate their stupidity. This is the problem. They believe that in politics, stupidity wins the day. And we will never, ever, be able to out-stupid them.

problem is, they're right. Americans drink up teh stupid....facts, not so much... and oh yea, truth is boring.

Posted by: pluege on December 31, 2009 at 10:03 AM | PERMALINK

Those dumbfucks can only dream of going to Hawaii. It is the greatest place on earth. I have been there at least 10 times and every minute spent there is like being in heaven. Right now I am stuck working in Washington DC where it is 30 degrees. Any moron that would prefer this to the high 70s that Honolulu will see everyday this winter has something wrong with him. My home is Los Angeles and Hawaii is where everybody that can afford it goes for vacation. God I wish I was eating at Duke's tonight.

Posted by: Patrick on December 31, 2009 at 10:05 AM | PERMALINK

Talk to any Texan and he'll tell you Texas is a whole other country ... and better.

Texas is really special. All over the country you see bumper stickers with slogans like "Don't mess with Texas".

You never see "Don't mess with Conneticut" or "Don't mess with Tennessee" or "Don't mess with Illinois" or any other state.

Texas is one giant sized ego problem and a symbol of all that's wrong with America. We can't let them secede fast enough.

Posted by: Anonny on December 31, 2009 at 10:07 AM | PERMALINK

"The folks Sarah Palin considers to be real Americans don't get to go there for their vacations."

Except Palin herself, who vacationed in Hawaii a few weeks ago.

Posted by: Grumpy on December 31, 2009 at 10:09 AM | PERMALINK

"Hawaii to many Americans seems like a foreign place." -- Kevin Madden

I guess the attack on Pearl Harbor was not an attack on America, then. You mean we entered WWII for NOTHING?? I am so confused.

Posted by: President PNACcio on December 31, 2009 at 10:17 AM | PERMALINK

Any chance this item and comment thread could be sent to Roberts and Madden to, you know, help them get a clue?

Posted by: Greg Worley on December 31, 2009 at 10:23 AM | PERMALINK

RushBo is holidaying out there too and he's supposed to be a man of the people, my friendssshhhh.

Posted by: MysteriousTraveller on December 31, 2009 at 10:24 AM | PERMALINK

If our elected officials are any indication, reality is a foreign place to many Americans.

Posted by: jhm on December 31, 2009 at 10:40 AM | PERMALINK

Well, it's good to know that Hawaii has become acceptable now that Rush Limbaugh vacations there. Having our duly elected President and his family vacation there only reflected the foreigness of it. What a ridiculous group of people we have as commentators.
I mayself have been to Hawaii several times and not once did I have to use my passport.

Posted by: maggie on December 31, 2009 at 10:41 AM | PERMALINK

My mom and dad loved Hawaii and would save up and travel there every few years so they could enjoy the scenery. They would sacrifice so they could travel there and for their 50th had flowers and stuff sent from Hawaii. Hawaii is cool, millions of people love it and think of it as a wonderful place to visit. Leave it alone.

Posted by: Kurt on December 31, 2009 at 10:41 AM | PERMALINK

I live on the West Coast and many people I talk to here look at me in slight disbelief when I say I've never been to Hawaii. In the lunchroom at work, I've overheard conversations where people compare their various preferences for particular island, based on multiple visits. It's cheaper to go there than to my inlaws in Texas.

No one here seems surprised when I say I haven't been to Florida.

BTW, I'm 50, and Hawaii has been an actual state, not some exotic territory, my whole life.

No wonder I have trouble understanding what those Villagers in DC are talking about.

Posted by: biggerbox on December 31, 2009 at 10:53 AM | PERMALINK

"Those who think Hawaii "foreign" should try a visit to Utah."

"Yup, been there done that. Sidewalks rolled up by dark and no alcohol unless you BYOB."

~~~
I guess those yahoos that were partying and driving their vehicles around the campground like maniacs (which prompted us to leave) at a campground in Utah a bunch of years back did bring their own beer, etc. We later heard that wasn't unusual for campgrounds that weren't too far from towns.

That said, our family enjoys Utah, at least all of the beautiful National Parks & Monuments in the state. And Moab the town isn't too bad.

Posted by: Me on December 31, 2009 at 11:01 AM | PERMALINK

Is Rush is Hawaii?

So freaking exotic, huh?

The President can't do anything right in the eyes of the Right --- so let it be.

Posted by: Tang on December 31, 2009 at 11:04 AM | PERMALINK

It's related to the idea that Obama is not a real American native because Hawaii is "foreign."

Posted by: qwerty on December 31, 2009 at 11:08 AM | PERMALINK

Hawaii is influenced by the vast Pacific Ocean and the steady rays of our star.

When Waimea Bay broke during Pearl Harbor Day this year, the world flocked to Hawaii.

Damn straight it's exotic.

Volcanoes active and ancient, gorgeous world class waves, leys, sunkist beaches, rainforests, hula honeys.

Yum.

Easy Bro' Cool Head Main Thing.

Posted by: Tom Nicholson on December 31, 2009 at 11:28 AM | PERMALINK

I do not expect any of today's republicans to actually know that the United States of America has 50 states and that Hawaii is one of them. They enjoy wallowing in ignorance and pettiness these days.

Posted by: Silver Owl on December 31, 2009 at 11:28 AM | PERMALINK

When you get right down to it, this is really a slur against the entire state of Hawaii and its citizens, who are no doubt proud Americans. There's no getting around it, when this scumbag talks about Hawaii as somehow "foreign" or whatever, he's saying they're not "one of us" and it's obvious dog whistle racism and xenophobia.

Romney's spokesman is a real fucking asshole and I think someone's got to find a way to ask Romney himself if he feels the same way. It would be unusual for a presidential candidate, even a Repub, to blatantly describe one of the fifty states as somehow foreign or less American than the rest of the country. Sure, you hear them describe cities(where most Americans live) or San Francisco like that, but I don't recall an entire state being singled out really for no other reason than as a way to de-legitimize the president. Fucking scum.

Posted by: whatever on December 31, 2009 at 11:38 AM | PERMALINK

So easy to do a little research. Current prices on Expedia. Price includes roundtrip flights from Chicago (the former home of the President) and a stay from Sun, Jan 24 to Sat Jan 30 in a Hyatt Regency hotel.

Miami, FL (HR Coral Gables): $835
Honolulu, HI (HR Waikiki Beach): $1022

So, even for a couple flying from Chicago -- which is a lot closer to the Atlantic than the Pacific, there's about a $200 difference per person, which might easily be made up for by the fact that you'd be visiting your home state.

And, of course, if you're just a schlub living in LA, the same flight to and hotel in Hawaii's actually about $100 cheaper than the Florida equivalent.

Posted by: darrelplant on December 31, 2009 at 11:59 AM | PERMALINK

So Rush Limbaugh went golfing in Hawaii. And we still haven't heard from him after the attempted terrorist bombing on Christmas Day.

Posted by: g on December 31, 2009 at 12:14 PM | PERMALINK

Does anyone besides me notice the astounding irony of Cokie Roberts promoting this idiocy? This gal was born and raised in the French Quarter of New Orleans, which is at least as "exotic" and "foreign-seeming" as Hawaii, which is why New Orleans (pre Katrina and even to some extent now) was likewise a popular tourist spot, for people who wanted a little taste of tropical scenery and a mix of French and Caribbean culture without needing a passport.

Posted by: T-Rex on December 31, 2009 at 12:35 PM | PERMALINK

So when can we expect a Republican-sponsored bill restoring Hawaii as the sovereign nation it was before we took it over and handing it back to the Hawaiian people?

Why, yes, I *do* believe in the Easter Bunny. Why do you ask?

Posted by: Curmudgeon on December 31, 2009 at 12:54 PM | PERMALINK

Those who think Hawaii "foreign" should try a visit to Utah. - penalcolony @ 9:21

I guess those yahoos that were partying and driving their vehicles around the campground like maniacs... - Me @ 11:01

The first comment had me laughing, the second one brought back painful memories. Try finding someplace to stay for the night with a roll-in shower. Discounting the blank stares, one place volunteered to remove doors and whatnot in the hopes we'd somehow lost our minds and would stay in a place that wouldn't work. They did express considerable outrage at those who work on their dirt bikes in the rooms for the next days activities. Long story short, we drove many miles out of way to find a nice new place with a roll under counter (only). For those in wheelchairs, plan your trip through Utah on a single day.

Posted by: Kevin on December 31, 2009 at 1:01 PM | PERMALINK

Foreign, you mean kinda like Alaska? Lord, what I would have paid to be doing the interview

Posted by: Eli Rabett on December 31, 2009 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINK

"Hawaii to many Americans seems like a foreign place."

Yeah, so doesn New MEXICO.

Seriously, the guy goes on vacation to Hawaii and is attacked for going somewhere "exotic" and foreign sounding. He goes on vaction to Martha's Vineyard and catches the same sort of crap.

My question is, how many of his numerous, extensive vacations did Dubyah Gump spend at the Motel 6 in Akron?

Posted by: Chesire11 on December 31, 2009 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

How Hawaii must have changed since I was last there.

Back in those days, there were white folks, many of them elderly, everywhere. United Air Lines was flying 'em in by the planeload, the Hilton Hawaiian Village was crawling with them.

As Archie Bunker might say, "those were the days".

Posted by: Squeaky McCrinkle on December 31, 2009 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINK

not for viewers of Dog the Bounty Hunter is it exotic. of course non of the commenters do.

Posted by: daphne on December 31, 2009 at 6:53 PM | PERMALINK

Where is Hawaii's birth certificate?

Posted by: alan on January 1, 2010 at 7:45 AM | PERMALINK
"Hawaii to many Americans seems like a foreign place."

That may be true, but those are very, very stupid people. And the idea that "real Americans" are very, very stupid has got to end at some point. Ever since Ronald Reagan made stupidity (as opposed to "book learnin'") not just acceptable, but in the rightwing-dominated-liberal-media's eyes, a defining characteristic of "real Americans", the level of discourse on TV and in newspapers has become dumber and dumber.

These same "many Americans" support Sarah Palin, and despite the fact that she lost in a humiliatingly large defeat in 2008, to the media it wasn't real Americans that elected President Obama in a landslide. It's these "many Americans" (ie. morons) who deny evolution, think Jesus of Nazareth was a white guy, are opposed to healthcare reform, and HATE well-read, well-spoken, knowledgeable, sophisticated people.

There are more "real Americans" living in New York than in Mississippi. That's an undeniable fact. Why must we always cater to the mouth-breathing, ass-picking, shockingly stupid dittoheads out there who are naive, ignorant, proud that they don't read (like Sarah Palin), proud they can't speak intelligently (like George W Bush) and are proud that they see our 50th state as a foreign country (like Cokie Roberts)?

We used to correct people when they said something that was wrong. Today, our media defers to these shockingly stupid "many Americans" and mocks those Americans who don't have their head's up their arses.

Posted by: Luther Brixton on January 1, 2010 at 4:34 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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