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January 12, 2010

FISSURED TEABAGS.... Many on the right believe the burgeoning Tea Party "movement" is the key to a resurgent conservatism nationwide. But it's hard not to notice that the divisions among Teabaggers will need to be resolved sooner or later.

In the latest sign of rancor in Tea Party circles, a convention billed as an effort to bring together conservative activists from across the country is being attacked by some leading Tea Partiers as inauthentic, too tied to the GOP, and -- at $549 per head -- too expensive for the working Americans the movement aspires to represent.

The National Tea Party Convention, scheduled for early February in Nashville, grabbed headlines after announcing that Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann would appear as speakers, Palin as the keynote. According to a message on the convention's website, the event "is aimed at bringing the Tea Party Movement leaders together from around the nation." But organizers are a long way from unifying the notoriously fractious movement.

Tea Party Patriots, which helped put together a September rally that drew tens of thousands to Washington, view the confab -- which is being held at Nashville's swank Opryland Gaylord hotel -- as the "usurpation of a grassroots movement," according to Mark Meckler, a leader of the group. "Most people in our movement can't afford anything like that," Meckler told TPMmuckraker, referring to the price tag. "So it's really not aimed at the average grassroots person."

"The Tea Party Movement is about to be hijacked," wrote one activist in an online comment recently.

Much of the recent complaints have to do with money -- the National Tea Party Convention's unusually-high ticket prices are turning activists off, as are the exorbitant speaking fees (by some estimates, Sarah Palin is getting as much as $100,000 to appear). Erick Erickson, a prominent right-wing blogger, compared the event to a Nigerian scam email and said Palin should not attend.

But there's ample evidence that the disagreements among Tea Party activists go deeper than this. There are some pretty fundamental questions it seems the "movement" needs to address.

* What is it, exactly? Are Teabaggers a grassroots "movement," a marketing enterprise, a new activist organization, a political party, or something else altogether? Or some combination? It's unclear.

* What does it want? Do these activists intend to strengthen a wing of the Republican Party, or fight from outside the GOP structure?

* Where does it want to go? Some Tea Party folks are libertarian-minded, with an emphasis on the size of government. Others are religious-right-style activists, concerned about abortion and gays. Who's behind the wheel? Will there be two Tea Parties?

* What does it intend to offer? The Tea Party gang wants government to cut spending, but it doesn't say where. It wants policymakers to reduce the deficit, but it doesn't say how. Activists take all kinds of positions on all kinds of issues, but most of them seem misplaced and confused about basic details. Is there some kind of policy platform in the works, or will they stick to vague right-wing generalities?

These details matter. And given the divisions over the increasingly-bizarre National Tea Party Convention, the fissures may not be resolved anytime soon.

Steve Benen 12:45 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (45)

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The fissures appearing in the tea-party movement are utterly predictable given that any political movement usually gets pretty fractious when it has to move beyond blind opposition, which is pretty much all the tea-party movement has stood for so far.

To that extent it is mirroring the problems for the GOP as a whole, which has yet to meaningfully move beyond opposing anything Obama proposes.

Posted by: mfw13 on January 12, 2010 at 12:50 PM | PERMALINK

My golly, it's inconvenient when the pawns refuse to be used as the window-dressing they're supposed to be.

Posted by: toowearyforoutrage on January 12, 2010 at 12:54 PM | PERMALINK

The disarray of the tea party movement proves it's a creation of the Republicans, who fuck up everything they touch.

Posted by: hells littlest angel on January 12, 2010 at 12:55 PM | PERMALINK

I've got an easy solutionn for the teabaggers, subsidies.

Sarah Palin's book was supposed to retail for $24.95. Most of the books were bought up by right-wing organizations and the sold to sucker... I mean customers for $4.95. That's an 80% discount!

If the teabaggers really want to be grassroots and bring their powerful message to everyday, working stiff, Joe Sixpacks and Hockeymoms, they could provide 80% discounts to people who want to attend. I'm sure between Rush, Glenn, and Rupert, they have the means to provide this crucial service to their loyal constituents.

Posted by: Winkandanod on January 12, 2010 at 12:56 PM | PERMALINK

How long can you hold together a diverse group of people based on collective hatred of Obama/government/liberals? The teapartiers really just *against* stuff, they're brought together by their outrage, but they're not *for* anything. They might have some vague talking points about "limited government" but I don't think they could come to any kind of agreement about what that actually means. With Sarah Palin at their helm their future is pretty well doomed.

Frankly I see some parallels to the lefty/liberal side of the spectrum as well-- we were all amazingly united by our disgust with Bush/GOP but now that we don't have an enemy to unite us we're far more fractured. However, we're still far better off than the tea partiers since we could actually pull together a list of things that we all are FOR. Also we don't make the mistake of calling ourselves a party seperate from the mainstream parties, we're part of a movement. Movements aren't supposed to be organized like political partiers are.

Pass the popcorn.

Posted by: zoe kentucky on January 12, 2010 at 1:00 PM | PERMALINK

SB is right. These are the questions every journalist interviewing Teabaggers should ask: what does your movement want? How do you propose to achieve those goals?

Allow no generalities, no "we just want to get back to constitutional principals" bafflegab answers. Specifics please. mwf13 is correct -- so far all they have is blind whining rage.

Now, if we just had some journalists to ask the questions and to do the required (doubtlessly seemingly endless) follow-up ...

Posted by: Michael Carpet on January 12, 2010 at 1:02 PM | PERMALINK

"usurpation of a grassroots movement," according to Mark Meckler

Wrong, Mark - there was no grassroots movement to begin with. Tea parties were astroturf gatherings organized by Corporate PR firms like Freedomworks, supported by the GOP, promoted by Fox News, exploiting low information voters and misdirecting their genuine anger.

Posted by: Ohioan on January 12, 2010 at 1:02 PM | PERMALINK

This is exactly what happens when a "movement" (so many possible jokes, so little time) stands against something, rather than for something.

The Teabaggers were never anything more than a bunch of Republicans who think being in charge is their divine right, no matter how much they screw things up ... libertarians who are too stupid to think things all the way through ... and a bunch of people who aren't so much "conservative" as they are "racist pigs who hate the fact a non-white guy is President."

So, yeah, it's not too surprising that coalition is starting to fall apart. After all, you can only scream and yell and whine against things up to a certain point.

After that point, people stop listening.

Posted by: Mark D on January 12, 2010 at 1:06 PM | PERMALINK

Whoops -- sorry zoe kentucky. You beat me to it with the "against/for" analysis by six minutes. (And great post, BTW.)

::hangs head in shame::

Posted by: Mark D on January 12, 2010 at 1:09 PM | PERMALINK

So, the Tea Party Party Party is cancelled?

Posted by: dalloway on January 12, 2010 at 1:12 PM | PERMALINK

As Ohioan suggests, maybe this will get many would-be "teabaggers" to recognize the astroturf nature of their movement, that they are being and have been used by the establishment corporatocracy to further its neo-feudalistic agenda.

But probably not; most of these folks do not appear to be the sharpest tools around, easily manipulated to froth against that which is in their best interests.

Posted by: terraformer on January 12, 2010 at 1:13 PM | PERMALINK

How about they have an amicable divorce, and the two wings name themselves Earl Grey and Darjeeling? The Orange Pekoe and Lapsang Souchong factions can be waiting in the wings.

Posted by: T-Rex on January 12, 2010 at 1:17 PM | PERMALINK

All of this incoherence is due to the fact that the Tea Party "movement" is really nothing more than the discredited GOP trying to distance itself from itself and its tarnished brand name.

The Tea Party phenomenon is just one, gigantic laundering operation by which the right wing elements that destroyed the Republican Party in the first place are trying re-brand themselves as righteous conservatives so that they can once again take control of a purified GOP, in the very same way that a company might change its name after a faulty or tainted product causes the death of innocent buyers.

Republican "leaders" -- meaning followers of the GOP's Radical Right core -- say the party's salvation hinges on a return to "conservative principles." The Tea Party movement is just part of that process of confession, atonement and forgiveness by which the Republican Party can be "Born Again."

The purging and litmus tests for anyone who doesn't embrace right wing orthodoxy, is all part of this re-generating process. Since the Republican Party essentially is a religion it would make sense that GOP would adopt religious rituals and revivals as the model for guiding itself out of the political wilderness and back to the promised land.

So, talking about the Tea Party Party and the GOP as two separate entities only leads to the kind of confusion that the tea partiers themselves are suffering.

Posted by: Ted Frier on January 12, 2010 at 1:20 PM | PERMALINK

Google "poujadism" to see how effective such purely "anti" movements are in the long run.

Posted by: Steve LaBonne on January 12, 2010 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINK

My prediction is that the environmental stewardship faction will split from the resource exploitation / global warming denial wing, thereby giving rise to the Green Tea Party. :)

They are a bit farcical, but I fear they have more than enough clout to saddle us all with Proposition 13's and TABOR amendments.

Posted by: N.Wells on January 12, 2010 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK

Oh no! A movement based on denying people health care, environmental regulations, and giving tax cuts to the wealthy is being overtaken by corporate fat cats! Man the barricades!

Posted by: inkadu on January 12, 2010 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK

The incoherence is proof that outrage and astroturf don't necessarily mix. For instance: One of the national tea party groups planned a protest of the auto bailout in Detroit, and the local Michigan groups refused to participate.

The question is how real the resistance to being wrangled into the GOP coalition for 2010 actually is.

Posted by: Mike from Detroit on January 12, 2010 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

This struggle feels very Babylon 5 -- "who are you?" "what do you want?" Vorlons? Shadows? Show yourselves!

Posted by: Lisa on January 12, 2010 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

Steve LeBonne - Americans can do it better. Google "Barry Goldwater" or "The John Birch Society."

Posted by: inkadu on January 12, 2010 at 1:32 PM | PERMALINK

: terraformer You beat me to it; Follow the money created by Faux news and the like for manipulation of the masses. Dick Armey et all who I know have the country's best interest at heart.

Posted by: john R on January 12, 2010 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK

Now, if we just had some journalists to ask the questions and to do the required follow-up ...

Dream on.

Posted by: Jenna's Bush on January 12, 2010 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK

Zoe Kentucky said: "I see some parallels to the lefty/liberal side of the spectrum as well-- we were all amazingly united by our disgust with Bush/GOP but now that we don't have an enemy to unite us we're far more fractured."

You miss an important distinction, Zoe: People on the "lefty/liberal side" didn't merely oppose Bush and the Republics as a knee-jerk reaction to them as "opponents." They/we were opposed to bad policies and provided concrete alternatives to those bad policies.

Your comment implies a false equivalence that simply does not exist.

Posted by: karen marie on January 12, 2010 at 1:43 PM | PERMALINK

How about they have an amicable divorce, and the two wings name themselves Earl Grey and Darjeeling?

Please! That's Old Europe and brown people you're talking about. No, the factions are probably both fighting for the right to be called the bland, banal Bigelow (it's all-American!).

Posted by: Alex on January 12, 2010 at 2:01 PM | PERMALINK

The "teabagger movement" was devised by a "news" station that claims to be "fair and balanced" in order to excite the passions of gun nuts, homophobes, xenophobes, Christian fundamentalists and racists for the sole purpose of defeating healthcare reform's public option. FOX and friends cashed in on the good-old-boys who were left stunned by having a black president. They fed them a diet of "communism" and "Nazis." Rallied them on their Bastille Day [April 15th] and then sent them forth to the town hall meetings where they raged and spat like the paunchy rednecks they are.

And it worked disconcertingly well.

But now, what to do with the frothing, low-info rabble?

Posted by: chrenson on January 12, 2010 at 2:05 PM | PERMALINK

I've started asking teabaggers if they'd like their beat-down with one lump or two.

Posted by: Gridlock on January 12, 2010 at 2:09 PM | PERMALINK

What does it intend to offer?

Fear and Hatred with a little Hatred and Fear mixed in.

Posted by: ckelly on January 12, 2010 at 2:10 PM | PERMALINK

Earlier I called the Tea Party movement a giant laundering operation designed to separate and purify "conservatism" from the degraded Republican brand so that conservatism could be absolved of any contaminating associations with disgraced Republicans like George W. Bush, and readied to retake a the GOP so as to move on as as nothing at all had happened.

Here is a column by Newt Gingrich in the Washington Times from February last year -- just a couple of weeks after Obama took office -- that lays out the conceptual and rhetorical framework for the Tea Party laundering operation I am talking about. Notice the constant, nearly religious appeals to "principles" to the exclusion of solutions or actual policies. Note also the dishonest attempt by Gingrich to saddle Obama with the failures of George W. Bush by pretending Obama is Bush's heir apparent instead of his antagonist with sly phrasing like "Bush-Obama big-government, big bureaucracy, high tax..." Quite a tour d'force of cynical dishonesty and rhetorical legerdemain.

Here it is:

The conservative movement has a simple and almost certainly successful future if it does three things:

1. Advocate first principles with courage, clarity, persistence and cheerfulness.

2. Insist on developing solutions based on those principles and insist on measuring other proposals against those principles.

3. Be prepared to oppose Republicans when they are wrong and side with Democrats when they are right, but always make the decision to support or oppose a matter of first principles and the application of those principles.

Advocating first principles with clarity was the essence of then Gov. Ronald Reagan's 1975 speech to the Conservative Political Action Conference. He called for "bold colors and no pale pastels." He believed so deeply in first principles and was so courageous in advocating them that he challenged the sitting (appointed) Republican President Gerald Ford in the primaries in 1976.

Advocating first principles is essential because the American people are very confused about what to do. We are in an economic mess at home. Some of our state governments are in worse shape than the federal government in Washington (note Sacramento, Calif., and Albany, N.Y., for example). A Republican president just presided over a disastrous mismanagement of the economy with massive increases in federal spending and even bigger increases in taxpayer liabilities.

The Bush-Obama big government, big bureaucracy, politician-empowering, high-tax, high-inflation and high-interest-rate system continues to grow and to place the country in greater and greater danger from inflation, bureaucratic control of the economy, political interference in every aspect of our lives and massive debt.

The first job of the conservative movement is simply to tell the truth about how bad these Bush-Obama proposals are. The 2008 $180 billion stimulus program in the spring failed. The 2008 summer $345 billion housing bailout failed. The 2008 fall $700 billion Wall Street bailout failed. That was the first $1.2 trillion, and it was on former President George W. Bush's watch, but all three passed with then Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr.'s "yes" vote.

Now President Obama represents continuity rather than change. The new spending bill (as the president called it in his Williamsburg speech last week) is more of the Bush-Obama continuity and represents more of the same instead of "change you can believe in."

Posted by: Ted Frier on January 12, 2010 at 2:24 PM | PERMALINK

Actually, for all their complaints, I wonder how bare-bones the "convention" is going to be when they charge $550 and are paying Palin $100,000.

Full price for Netroots Nation is $800. That's the voluntary "covers the actual costs" rate. Most people will pay less, because lot of work is put into sponsorships and fundraising to defray costs. But one thing is certain -- there's no $100K speaking-fee line item, and it's not put on by an organization hoping to make a profit.

(Of course, that mostly suggests that the organization is planning to fleece them for whatever they can get, making them pay for the privilege of attending a convention where they'll have to do most of the work themselves.)

Posted by: Redshift on January 12, 2010 at 2:25 PM | PERMALINK

Dangerous dolts - the lot of 'em! -Kevo

Posted by: kevo on January 12, 2010 at 2:40 PM | PERMALINK

The problem with the TeaBaggers is they are the party of ME, ME, ME. They want lower taxes, less debt, wars, blah, blah, blah. But they want it at the cost of anyone but themselves. Which is fine when they are battling liberals or socialists, or even the Nazi death camps.

Why they will never last because they are selfish to such a degree that compromise can not be tolerated. As someone mentioned earlier, the government subsidy/bailout of a Michigan auto plant is ground zero for their hatred of big government giveaways.

But the TeaBaggers in Michigan don't agree because when all is said and done, government help is treasonous, unless of course that government is helping them.

That is a common republican theme. They hate government help when it doesn't help them. They have no issues with a childless person such as myself paying a huge property tax bill to make sure their kids have good schools. But stop the fricken clock if their income tax goes to something that they already have, like health insurance.

I think we need to let that party grow, division of the republican party is good for democratic party elections. Throw them a bone, make the jobs bill so over the top that they get seriously organized (the ones with jobs of course) and rally against the republican party for helping out lazy good for nothing immigrants and welfare queens (what I think the average TeaBagger would think a jobs bill, not my actual opinion).

***I use the word so often that I just added 'TeaBagger' to my spell check, funny, right.

Posted by: ScottW on January 12, 2010 at 2:43 PM | PERMALINK

I am from ME and I applaud the efforts to bring civilised habits to politics . Its true , however , that my own contribution to the movement are under consideration . Yet I actually consider why I won't be contributing in calm , reasoned , sophisticatacal way . It may be coincidental , but hardly anyone can tell the difference between our thinking and our movements . This flies in the face of common beliefs that amongst the hardy perennials that are wisely blooming exists an articulated reflex . Not so , personally taking great effort to spill my thoughts as they come up .
I will go into detail later .

Posted by: FRP on January 12, 2010 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK

How does this sound for a Tea Party Platform?

We acknowledge God for the victory he gave our fathers in their successful Revolutionary struggle, and the protection he gives us, their descendants, in our struggle against tyranny and fascism.

Americans must rule America, and to this end native-born citizens should be selected for all State, Federal, and municipal offices of government employment, in preference to all others.

No person should be selected for political office who recognizes any allegiance or obligation to any foreign power, or who refuses to recognize the Constitution as paramount to all other laws.

We demand a change in the laws of naturalization, making a continued residence of twenty-one years a requirement for citizenship and excluding all poor people and persons convicted of crime, from landing upon our shores.

We insist on thorough investigations into any and all alleged abuses of public functionaries, and a strict economy in public expenditures.

All [immigration] laws constitutionally enacted shall be enforced.

We oppose the reckless and unwise policy of the present Administration in the general management of our national affairs, especially in their blundering foreign policy and craven cowardice toward weak powers.

We demand an end to removing real Americans and Conservatives from office and placing untrustworthy foreigners and liberals in their places.

Sound good? It should, because it's based on time-tested principles. In fact, this is the platform of the crazy Know Nothing Party from 1856 , only lightly papaphrased.

The Know Nothings hated the weird Catholic immigrants who were so poor and lazy, and the strange religion they brought to our shores with its allegiance to foreign imams --er, I mean priests, and didn't want them gaining control of government and submitting the country to Sharia -- er...I mean, Canon Law.

How far the wingnut crowd hasn't come in a hundred and fifty years. Tea Baggers: forging a bridge to the mid-19th century with all its ignorant, xenophobic, government fearing crap.

I post this knowing full well that it's only a matter of time before a wingnut comes of the woodwork to try and rehabilitate the Know Nothing movement as patriotic and truly American. You can't even parody these boneheads.

Posted by: trex on January 12, 2010 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK

I live in tea-bat central -- rural Texas. That was a typo -- "tea-bat" -- but it works pretty well. The teabaggers around here are as diffuse and hard to herd as Democrats are supposed to be, or so it appears from this angle. Some are batty; some aren't. Almost all the ones I've talked with have been tea-baggers before the astroturf movement began. The turf was laid in over the top of existing and very vocal discontent. Some are primarily and fiercely libertarian who think Ron Paul is the only possible leader. You have to remember that for some people being Republican means being in a respectable social group. Others once were solid Republicans and socially still are but -- "I think both parties have gone bad, but there's no question about the Dems being completely disloyal and anti-American. At least some Republicans are worth voting for..." That's paraphrasing someone who cut my hair the other day but it's also what the vast number of evangelical AM stations along our dial are telling their audience along with Limbaugh and the rest.

They always start from the same point: there is only one sane way to be, and that's against Obama, against the left, against the moral degradation of America caused by Obama and the left. Where do they get their information about current events, I ask? "From a family member I trust," my anti-Obama hair-cutter reassured me. Later, after digging a little, I got the hard answer, "Fox. They're the only truthful people out there." The low-end libertarians mostly quote low-power FM fringies. Alex Jones is one of our locals.

We really need to remember that tea-baggers are quite a diverse group -- difficult to herd. But I'd say they agree on one thing: "We don't get no respect." That's something we've been saying, too. Haven't we? And that's only one of the reasons why I think the left could have coopted the movement -- though it's surely too late by now.

Posted by: PW on January 12, 2010 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK

Ted Frier makes some good points.

Scratch a teabagger and you'll find a Republican. When they do have a policy answer, it's always the GOP line. How do you "reform health care?" Tort reform and insurance companies operating across state lines. How do you reduce the deficit? Cut social spending while increasing the "defense" budget. There's not an answer among them that would not be advocated full-throat by the corporate and defense setablishment, nor do they have a single answer that has a chance to make anything better for the middle class or the poor.

However, I think that the teabagger "movement" will end up fracturing what is left of the Republican party as the economic and social conservatives discover that they do not, in fact, share each other's goals and that they must fight each other for control of their party. I also think that as their aims become more public that independent voters (at least the ones who are not disgruntled teabaggers themselves refusing to say they're GOP) will desert their crazy-assed party and platform.

Second, Gingrich's "principles over policy" exhortation is the same old GOP mantra of "Do what the ideology tells you no matter if it works or if it has failed miserably already." They are fundamentally not interested in good government, if good government is defined as running government efficiently to provide benefit to the largest number of people and improve the conditions of Americans who are not rich. In fact, their fuzzy ideology is purposeful, and is intended to mask their underlying goal: to bankrupt the government of the United States and its constituent states so that they cannot stand as the People's opposition to the corporate capitalist interests of driving down the costs of labor and removing, circumventing, or preventing the enforcement of any and all regulation.

Plus, isn't it cute to see Newtie try to rebrand Bush as a liberal.

Posted by: Daddy Love on January 12, 2010 at 3:19 PM | PERMALINK

Now President Obama represents continuity rather than change.

*gasp* Newt finally said something that's true.

Posted by: PBJ on January 12, 2010 at 3:32 PM | PERMALINK

Fun fact:
The funniest thing about the Know-Nothings is that they were worried about Irish and German immigrants! It wan't all anti-Catholicism, though. Sizable numbers of the German immigrants were *gasp* Jewish.

I think the Germans immigrant population was largely Lutheran, about a third Catholic and some smaller proportion (haven't yet found a good accounting) Jewish.

Posted by: Daddy Love on January 12, 2010 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

daddy love wrote "scratch a teabagger and you'll find a republican" i'd amend that to "Scratch a teabagger and you'll someone who didn't vote for obama..." that's all that drives this entire movement..they came out on the wrong side of the last election and now they want "their" country back...

Posted by: dj spellchecka on January 12, 2010 at 4:13 PM | PERMALINK

What is it, exactly?
It's a dessert topping! It's a floor wax! It's both!

Posted by: josef on January 12, 2010 at 5:02 PM | PERMALINK

Most important: right-populist or corporate state-capitalist shills?

Posted by: neil b on January 12, 2010 at 5:46 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, please, let them form a splinter 3rd party! That would be so much fun. I love the idea of having three parties: the Republican party, the Democratic party and the National Teabaggers Party.

How wonderfully amusing to have one political party named after our form of government, Republic; one for Democracy, a core value; and the one for a drink produced by soaking dried-out leaves in hot water. Leaves imported from Asia, no less! It makes so much sense.

Plus, practically, it would get the craziest and most ignorant people out of the Republican party. Neither would have a chance of winning elections.

Posted by: PTate in MN on January 12, 2010 at 6:34 PM | PERMALINK

PTate - look up the real meaning of "teabagging"! That makes even more "sense".
BTW glad to see you back here more often.

Posted by: neil b, on January 12, 2010 at 6:40 PM | PERMALINK

So tea baggers are just racist. That fits.

Posted by: Bob M on January 12, 2010 at 7:11 PM | PERMALINK

Do you know how foolish we will look to people 30 years from now that we were actually talking seriously about something called the Tea Party Party?

We really have lost our collective minds, haven't we?

Posted by: Ted Frier on January 12, 2010 at 8:55 PM | PERMALINK

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Posted by: Waban on March 11, 2010 at 3:15 PM | PERMALINK

You're worried about looking foolish 30 years from now? Sometimes it's worth looking foolish if the cause is noble but consider this, how could any of us who claim to love their country and the Constitution look our children and our children's children in the eyes and have to admit how we sat by and did nothing while the progressives destroyed our once great nation so they could create a new nation in it's place where the national motto was something along the lines of "The State is Mother, The State is Father. Obey the State" where we were little more than slaves because we allowed a government to become all powerful where it gave us everything we wanted but also had the power to take it all away? I certainly couldn't do that and have any sense of self-respect left. We've only lost our collective minds if we continue to let Obama and his progressive (ie: Communists) continue destroying the Constitution and the Free Enterprise System while stealing all our civil liberties in the process. So you worry about looking foolish 30 years from now while the rest of us who actually want to see the Republic our founders gave us restored to it's rightful form go about the job of rescuing our country.

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