Editore"s Note
Tilting at Windmills

Email Newsletter icon, E-mail Newsletter icon, Email List icon, E-mail List icon Sign up for Free News & Updates

January 17, 2010

QUOTE OF THE DAY.... In Massachusetts this morning, Scott Brown campaigned in West Springfield, where the conservative Senate hopeful complained about the tone of the campaign.

"I'll tell you what," Brown said, using a megaphone to address the crowd. "There's negative campaigning, and then there's malicious campaigning."

"She's malicious!" a man in the crowd cried out. "She's a phony!" shouted another. "Shove a curling iron up her butt!" a third man interjected a few moments later.

Yes, because it's not ironic at all to complain about "malicious" campaigning while your supporters call for assaulting the state Attorney General with a curling iron.

As for the rest of the afternoon, President Obama is scheduled to campaign alongside Martha Coakley in about an hour. Around the same time, Brown will host a rally with a retired baseball player, a retired football player, and the guy who played a mailman on "Cheers" 20 years ago.

As for the controversy surrounding Brown's comments about President Obama's family, a spokesperson for the conservative Republican said Brown "doesn't believe" that Obama's parents were unmarried when he was born. The GOP campaign did not, however, apologize for the ugly remarks.

DNC spokesperson Hari Sevugan added: "Why did he say it then? Whether it's on this issue, or choice or taxes, Scott Brown has a disturbing and telling history of saying one thing at one time, and another thing later on. The only thing that's clear is that Scott Brown is not who he says he is."

Steve Benen 2:45 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (36)

Bookmark and Share
 
Comments

Why did he say it. Watch the video, sure didn't sound like he had any doubts.

Posted by: dh on January 17, 2010 at 2:54 PM | PERMALINK

Win or lose i hope Democrats take correct lesson from this disaster. They can't keep ignoring their base and expect to win elections on the public's hatred of the GOP.

Low turnout elections (like special elections) have always favored Republicans because they do a better job of motivating their people and getting them into a voting booth. Poll after poll (for the better part of 20 years) show the general public supports the policies of the Democratic party, but the Democrats have done a crappy job of translating that into votes. Especially in these small elections that matter a lot more then they seem to realize.

Posted by: thorin-1 on January 17, 2010 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINK

"Yes, because it's not ironic at all to complain about "malicious" campaigning while your supporters call for assaulting the state Attorney General with a curling iron."

In defense of the would-be sodomizer, he probably is really stupid. Expecting consistency of message and ideology from a crowd of people, even at a rally, is foolhardy.

Average people at an average R or D rally: 80% can't string together two coherent sentences regarding a political idea. 50% of Americans don't know what continent they are on.

You could fill a library with stupid quotes from stupid Republicans or stupid Democrats. It doesn't really prove anything (other than political scientists and pundits vastly overestimate the relevance of ideology).

Posted by: flubber on January 17, 2010 at 3:34 PM | PERMALINK

In 2005, Coakley dragged her feet in prosecuting a a case involving a two-year-old raped with a curling iron. That's why the Republican dude called for a curling iron instead of carrot or whatever it is Republicans usually imagine raping women with.

The more you know.

Posted by: inkadu on January 17, 2010 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

Brown reminds me more of Romney than Kennedy. If the Dems in MA had a bit more imagination, they'd simply remind people of Romney. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Posted by: Comrade Jake on January 17, 2010 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK

Is threatening violence against an elected official incitement?

Posted by: brat on January 17, 2010 at 3:47 PM | PERMALINK

"...and the guy who played a mailman on "Cheers" 20 years ago."

Say it ain't so, Cliff!

Posted by: LaFollette Progressive on January 17, 2010 at 3:47 PM | PERMALINK

Win or lose i hope Democrats take correct lesson from this disaster.

Win or lose I know what Republicans will be taking away form this. Rather hansom men with good hair make great candidates for a party dependent on window dressing. Mix with a dash of TEA and stir for a delicious drink. Mmmmmm....drink up America. Palin/Brown in '12 awaits.

Posted by: Little Miss Attila on January 17, 2010 at 3:58 PM | PERMALINK

Say it ain't so, Cliff!

So it's not all good news for Scott Brown. He couldn't get the Republican star power that is Jon Cryer. He had to go to Hollywood's Number Two Repoublican.

I wonder if Brown reacted to the curling iron comment, or just blinked and moved on like Old Man McCain did when one of his supporters called for Obama's assassination.

Posted by: Jim on January 17, 2010 at 4:24 PM | PERMALINK

"Hollywood's #2 Republican"

is John Ratzenberger?!? Number one is John Cryer?!?

What about Arnold Schwartzenegger? Bruce Willis? Mel Gibson?

Posted by: Zandru on January 17, 2010 at 4:36 PM | PERMALINK

One of the sad things: a fatuous, Broder-style essay at fivethrityeight.com claiming Brown is a moderate Repub. Check it out and rag on it.

Posted by: neil b, on January 17, 2010 at 4:51 PM | PERMALINK

couple of tweets from a guy at the Brown rally with Cliffy, Curt and Flutie

Cliff from Cheers: "This is not the Democratic Party of Tip O'Neill and John Kennedy. It's Saul Alinsky and Woodstock."
24 minutes ago from Tweetie
Speaker in Brown overflow room: "I'm 65 and my grandkids want me to LIVE!"
39 minutes ago from Tweetie

Posted by: Jim on January 17, 2010 at 4:54 PM | PERMALINK

So Brown should be held accountable for what someone in his audience said?

Remember when Obama supporters booed and heckled Bush during the Obama's Inauguration? I do. And I remember progressives castigating those who did such a classless thing while defending Obama. At least be consistent here.

And yes, the poster above thread has it correct: Coakley let a police officer walk when he had raped his 23-month old niece with a curling iron.

Posted by: Mortgage This on January 17, 2010 at 5:00 PM | PERMALINK

Note to Coakley: spell the name of your state correctly in your ads.

Also, don't call Curt Schilling a Yankees fan.

I swear, it's like she's trying to lose so the Democrats can watch HCR tank and blame it on the Republicans.

Posted by: Mortgage This on January 17, 2010 at 5:03 PM | PERMALINK

Mortgage: actually the dude was prosecuted and convicted. But you know, don't let the facts get in the way.

Posted by: Comrade Jake on January 17, 2010 at 6:05 PM | PERMALINK

"The only thing that is clear is that Scott Brown isn't who he says he is" Duh! he worked for Mitt!

Posted by: Boomslang on January 17, 2010 at 6:08 PM | PERMALINK

As for the rest of the afternoon, President Obama is scheduled to campaign alongside Martha Coakley in about an hour. Around the same time, Brown will host a rally with a retired baseball player, a retired football player, and the guy who played a mailman on "Cheers" 20 years ago.

Yeah, I wouldn't be quite so quick to dismiss the bang for the buck Brown might get from his retreads.

Posted by: dr. bloor on January 17, 2010 at 6:15 PM | PERMALINK

"Mortgage: actually the dude was prosecuted and convicted. But you know, don't let the facts get in the way.
Posted by: Comrade Jake on January 17, 2010 at 6:05 PM"

Apparently by her successor, not by her -

http://www.theagitator.com/2010/01/17/straining-to-defend-martha-coakley/

If there's a link that contradicts (or sheds more light on) this, I'd be happy to see it. But if it's nothing more complex than she took a pass on prosecuting a cop - well, that seems like a legit issue.

Posted by: hotrod on January 17, 2010 at 7:53 PM | PERMALINK

"Apparently by her successor, not by her. posted by hotrod"

Ahm, Coakley's the one who got the indictments for rape and assault and battery. Yes, the dude was prosecuted by her successor, which, you know, sometimes happens when cases take longer than a month to put together. Jesus.

Posted by: Comrade Jake on January 17, 2010 at 8:39 PM | PERMALINK

did you see my column in the nyt, steve ??

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/17/opinion/17pubed.html

Posted by: clark hoyt on January 17, 2010 at 8:51 PM | PERMALINK

"Disillusioned Progressive" even the PostedBy tag is a lie.

Posted by: dh on January 17, 2010 at 8:53 PM | PERMALINK

Since you couldn't be bothered to post a link, Comrade, I found one for you -

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/01/06/some_saw_coakley_as_lax_on_05_rape_case/

I dunno. Doesn't seem too damning in it's own right. Looks worse when compared to her role in the Amirault case. I'm not qualified to assess her claim that multiple grand juries are common, though I recall an old saw - something about indicting a ham sandwich. I tend to be pretty skeptical of prosecutors though.

Posted by: hotrod on January 17, 2010 at 8:57 PM | PERMALINK

There is no context that excuses the implication that Obama was born illegitimate. There were NO left wing political pundits or politicians who gave a rat's ass about Sarah's daughter giving birth out of wedlock but for three factors: 1. Sarah continues to preach the efficacy and morality of abstinence "education," instead of dealing with the reality of teenage pregnancy, even as her own experience proves that abstinence education is a failed policy and should not receive government dollars. If you want to preach abstinence, save it for church, don't take it to the class room. Kids need to understand how to protect themselves and the responsibilities they bear should they decide to become sexually active.
2. The hypocrisy of the family values crowd. We know that if one of Obama's daughters or Biden's daughters were pregnant at 17 there would be NO end to the blather on the right about how awful librul policies and parenting are, how irresponsible Democratic parents are blah blah blah.

3. The hypocrisy of making your kids a campaign prop and using your daughter as a "pro-life" poster child while decrying any critical discussion of her family values. In other words, it is okay for her and the family values crowd to use her personal life and family to promote their message, but when anyone criticizes her parenting skills or her family, that's out of bounds and a violation of her kids' rights etc. Puh leeze.

So, no. Even in the context of the "attack" on Sarah Palin, there was no excuse for Brown to go after the legitimacy of Obama's birth. Thanks Disillusioned Progressive for another round of false equivalency and teabagger rationale.

The bottom line is that Brown will help the Republicans clog up all Democratic legislative initiatives. ALL. Not just HCR, but DADT, environmental, and other progressive aims. So any "progressive" who sits this one out or God forbid votes for Brown has shown they are not a true progressive. The stakes are enormous here and that message has to be hammered home by Democratic activists.

Posted by: ajaye on January 17, 2010 at 9:10 PM | PERMALINK

After the Obama rally this morning in Massachusetts for Coakley,

Intrade has Coakley at 35.0

Brown at 65.0

Posted by: Dennis on January 17, 2010 at 9:16 PM | PERMALINK


News from ground zero. I was outside the Obama rally today in Boston. I proudly popped myself right at the beginning of a bunch of Brown supporters on Huntington Avenue. There were a few murmurs, but no real conflicts. After a while a lot of Coakley supporters came to join us and the fun began! My sign - Brown = Bush - attracted a lot of attention. And I asked a LOT of Brown people how they differ. No real answers. LOTS of shouting. Lots of Brown supporters who seemed to be supporting him because - well just because. Couple of "Don't tread on me" flags (definitely the "free-staters" from New Hampshire).

If the election were held in Boston, there would be no problem. I met lots of nice folks - even one Brown supporter. At first, he started calling us "elites" and "bourgeois" - and I looked at him and just laughed. He laughed too. Even he knew it was BS. At one point, I told him he didn't even seem to be convincing himself and he kinda agreed. I don't think I gained a vote - but maybe Brown lost one.

At one point - OK, I was looking for action - I headed down toward where the Brownies were having a bit of a rally. I say "bit" because there were about 200 maximum spread up and down the street. Not really a great turnout. Especially since a good portion were from New Hampshire and Connecticut. (Kudos to the Boston Police for being good sports and keeping people cool.)

As I stood my ground among a group of Brown folks and demanded to know how Brown differs from Bush (funny that pretty much ALL of them bristled at the comparison), it was telling. First of all, what a bunch of ignorant cowards. Not one of them could have a rational discussion. All were shouting so I couldn't distinguish one voice from another. So ginned up and angry and thoughtless.

Some of the Brown supporters are actually insane - and I'm not just talking about the free-staters. And some of the women (and there were NOT a lot of them on the Brown side) were vicious. Given the huge police presence, I wasn't worried, but I tried to ignore the obvious crazies.

I had one man screaming at me while I was trying to talk to some of the Brown people. I turned and gave him a look and he went away. Then, he started again when I finally walked away from the crowd (and let me tell you, it was a sight to behold, one woman against a slew of shouters - and not a one of them could lay a rhetorical hand on me). I turned around and the man screamed in my face "No more curling irons! No more curling irons!" I walked away - at this point thinking the man is truly deranged and I really hope this whole scene gets on Youtube to show everyone just how nutty Brown's supporters are. Later, I asked my sister what was up with the crazy guy yelling about the curling iron. So, as it turns out, a while ago when MC was Middlesex County DA, a man was arrested for assaulting a young girl and let out on bail. He was deemed 1) not a threat and 2) not a risk to flee. Those are the rules for deciding bail. He went to trial and was convicted.

So, her office investigated a crime, got the perpetrator, convicted him and sent him to jail.

And for that, she's pilloried.

Just for kicks, my favorite chant from the MC crowd: "Brown is #2, Coakley's #1" OK, juvenile, but effective.

From the opposition, how about this gem: "Turn Obama Brown." Subtlety is not their strong suit.

Posted by: madem on January 17, 2010 at 9:38 PM | PERMALINK

DNC spokesperson Hari Sevugan: "Whether it's on this issue, or choice or taxes, Scott Brown has a disturbing and telling history of saying one thing at one time, and another thing later on."

Isn't that, by definition, a RightWinger ?

Posted by: Joe Friday on January 17, 2010 at 9:58 PM | PERMALINK

Going rogue with my predictions

I think this special election will be a repeat of the national chasm.
That is: the rurals will come out in droves for Brownie. And the urbs will come out for Coakley.

This last bit about Brownie supporting Palin and hinting at Obama's illegitimacy is an absolutely wonderful turn of events for Coakley. It will anger urbs and encourage them to the polls. They needed a little kick in the ass. My prediction: The larger urban numbers will win the day for Coakley.

Posted by: koreyel on January 17, 2010 at 10:15 PM | PERMALINK

If somehow scott brown wins this election then the decline of the United States is confirmed. Pray that enough Democrats show up and keep this freak away from our Senate. If Democrats lose this election, I am giving up on America.

Posted by: Patrick on January 18, 2010 at 12:13 AM | PERMALINK

"If somehow scott brown wins this election then the decline of the United States is confirmed."

This. A lost generation, at minimum. Maybe more. Americans are just not willing or able to stomach the change that they say they want. Epic fail.

Posted by: Xenos on January 18, 2010 at 12:31 AM | PERMALINK

If Brown really did laugh at the misogynistic comment (which it sounds like in one of the videos), then I can't for the life of me understand how any woman could vote for him. That was not the only "rape" joke I've read/heard from his supporters. Before this campaign I didn't even know there WERE rape jokes.

Interesting commentary from Madem about Ground Zero at the Obama rally.

I was there too tweeting live from it (incl. pictures). It was a bit bizarre to have Brown supporters tweeting back that I was lying and that I wasn't even there, and no one should believe me that there were thousands of people there.

Also, Fox News reporter Carl Cameron reported that Obama couldn't fill the hall. While the hall was a strange choice because it was small and could only hold 1,700 - there were thousands of people who didn't get in and were lining the streets for blocks.

I also noticed some Brown supporters tweeting about how Obama bussed in supporters to the rally today. I saw thousands of people, and I walked all over that campus and didn't see this mythical "line of buses." Nor did I meet a single person from out of state.

This makes me wonder what really goes on at Tea Party rallies if they are wrongly assuming that this is the type of stuff that happens at ours.

Regardless, I hope it scares every Democrat in the state into voting.

Posted by: krisd on January 18, 2010 at 12:55 AM | PERMALINK

Assuming the worst, I wonder if Republicans are really willing to bear the heat of killing HCR outright. There is going to be huge disappointment and outrage even among non-liberals, and the villain in the piece will be clear. My guess is that the Republicans come forward with an offer of a watered-down compromise.

Posted by: bob h on January 18, 2010 at 8:03 AM | PERMALINK

I don't believe the polls. I think Coakley will win.
I think these rally's have had people bussed in to give the imagery of strong support.
I believe that there are a lot of true conservatives who support HCR. Why wouldn't they?
Not all conservatives are wealthy and can afford HC. So, I don't believe the polls.

Posted by: mudshark on January 18, 2010 at 9:21 AM | PERMALINK

"Most are people in their forties so that may explain their reality based vision of the world."
Now I am concerned!

Posted by: EC Sedgwick on January 18, 2010 at 9:44 AM | PERMALINK

Was a bit worried to see that they are using the e-voting machines that seem not only prone to hacking, but for some mysterious reason flipping votes towards conservatives.

Posted by: colourmecynical on January 18, 2010 at 9:59 AM | PERMALINK

Hey Great Blog. I submitted you to Reddit and Digg. If you want, you can check out my article here: World of Warcraft Mods You Need

Posted by: Zygor Leveling on February 12, 2010 at 4:24 AM | PERMALINK

One thing I'd like to say is before buying more pc memory, check out the machine in to which it could be installed. Should the machine is usually running Windows XP, for instance, the particular memory limit is 3.25GB. The installation of above this would simply constitute a new waste. Make certain that one's motherboard can handle the particular upgrade volume, as well. Interesting blog post.

Posted by: discount louboutin on April 1, 2011 at 7:36 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

Read Jonathan Rowe remembrance and articles
Email Newsletter icon, E-mail Newsletter icon, Email List icon, E-mail List icon Sign up for Free News & Updates

Advertise in WM



buy from Amazon and
support the Monthly