Is "Make me proud!" the wrong way to start this thread?

Pshaw indeed.

And I'd add "meh" just to show some sideways hipness....

The full text of the Republican response is available and includes this bald-faced lie about the underpants bomber: "This foreign terror suspect was given the same legal rights as a U.S. citizen, and immediately stopped providing critical intelligence."

Very cool that TMP has a page up with a live video feed.
Is this the first SOTU where you don't need a tv and a cable bill?

One can truly multitask...

"Eff teh effing Tweets," as Gilliard might say.

What I wouldn't give to hear what he would be saying right about now...

The question of the night: which Repuglican boos first? And, believe me, at least one will pull a Joe Wilson.

-Z

I'm surprised Sullivan isn't live blogging this soiree...

The question of the night: which Repuglican boos first? And, believe me, at least one will pull a Joe Wilson.

-Z

@koereyel : "Is this the first SOTU where you don't need a TV and a cable bill?"

Actually, no. They've been doing them on wireless - aka Radio - for quite some time now ;-D

Check that...
Sullivan is live now...

A call for bipartisanship's all well and good, but only if both sides want to be bipartisan.

-Z

hope in one hand, shit in the other...

Wow...
He's playing the bipartisanship card again...
That's like bidding 7 no-trump and having no aces.

He should have let me proofread this for him before he delivered it:

"Some are frustrated; some are angry. They don't understand why it seems like bad behavior on Wall Street is rewarded but hard work on Main Street isn't; or why Washington has been unable or unwilling to solve any of our problems. I explain to them its because of Republicans."

Let me repeat: we cut taxes...

Wild applause.
I think I even some confetti...

Note the Repugs sitting on their hands while the Dems cheer the ARRA's results.

-Z

787 billion stimulus created 2 million jobs?

how efficient.

You mean we are stilling giving tax breaks to companies that ship jobs overseas?

House passes Senate Health Care Bill as is, Senate passes House Jobs Bill as is? Is that going to be the deal?

"How long should America put its future on hold?" Well-phrased.

-Z

9:26: It's going to be tough to oppose this one: "I'm proposing that we take $30 billion of the money Wall Street banks have repaid and use it to help community banks give small businesses the credit they need to stay afloat."

I don't think it'll be tough to oppose it since they're against everything. However, getting them to oppose it is just fine.

max
['Dandy, even.']

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Barack: "I do not except second place for the us of a"

Hey... second place gets the filibuster doesn't it?

Men are getting much more agressive in recent months in covering up their bald spots(including Obama). It seems like a sea change.

New nukes, offshore drilling, and clean coal (a la jumbo shrimp) are nothing but raw meat for the GOP.

-Z

9:30: There's that theme again: New Foundation

It's almost impossible to build a "new foundation" when you insist on keeping the structure above it exactly as it is.

The State of our Union is whiny.

A world-class education has *always* been the best anti-poverty program.

-Z

Obama is humiliating the Republicans on national televison. So much for moving to the right.

Note the change in phrasing: not health care reform, but health insurance reform.

-Z

wow...
Interupting the most important part of the speech for a shout out to his wife...

@jb--and ain't it great?!

Nice challenge to the GOP: if you have anything better, let me see it.

Let's ge it done, indeed- you've got the ball at the bloody 1 yard line, and the other team has left the field.

-Z

Benen: 9:50: Thanks, Bush, for screwing us all over.

Yeah. That was the best part of the speech so far.

No freeze while there's a recession going on! We have to grow our way out of it.

Holy Smokes...
He's roasting the Supreme Court with a bright torch light.

Scolding the Supreme Court Justices, absolutely in their face, when they are sitting right in front of him.....Priceless.

"The people expect us to solve problems, not run for the hills."

FUCK AND YES.

Now scolding the Dems for running for the hills...
And the party of no... for nothing but no...

The whole speech he has been running "Washington."
As well he should...

"...is not leadership." A-f*cking MEN!

this thing is at Clintonesque duration.

Now that's what I'm talkin' about!!

It's funny how there is always a spending freeze when it's time to spend on main street.

Josh: 10:03 PM: I think one of the key things the president and the White House were trying to do with this speech is show the president doesn't feel beaten.

Yep...
And step outside the yuck of Washington...

Here comes the peroration....

Refocusing on America...

"America must always stand on the side of freedom and human dignity."

@9:50, after the Bush legacy was detailed, PBS cut to McCain, who grinned and repeatedly yammered "Blame it on Bush" to Lindsay Graham (who seemed to be trying to shut the old fart up).

My prediction of David Gergen's analysis:

This was the greatest anti-washington dc speech ever...

@10:18: I thought I heard a subtle JFK reference, a la 'we choose to do these things not b/c they are easy, but b/c they are hard.'

-Z

9:57: "We face more than a deficit of dollars right now. We face a deficit of trust -- deep and corrosive doubts about how Washington works that have been growing for years."

Quite.

9:58: Trashing a Supreme Court ruling in front of the justices. Awkward.

But fucking awesome!

9:59: Earmark reform.
10:00: "Every day is Election Day."

And Groundhog Day too.

10:01: Senate reform: "Neither party should delay or obstruct every single bill just because they can. The confirmation of well-qualified public servants should not be held hostage to the pet projects or grudges of a few individual Senators."

Amen.

10:02: Dear Dems, don't "run for the hills." Good advice.
10:03: Now we're talking: "If the Republican leadership is going to insist that sixty votes in the Senate are required to do any business at all in this town, then the responsibility to govern is now yours as well. Just saying no to everything may be good short-term politics, but it's not leadership. We were sent here to serve our citizens, not our ambitions."

'We have a different kind of nuclear to use when dealing with that.'

10:07: "This war is ending, and all of our troops are coming home."

Good.

10:09: JFK and Reagan have the same approach on ridding the world of nukes.

Sure.

10:13: Damn straight: "My Administration has a Civil Rights Division that is once again prosecuting civil rights violations and employment discrimination."

Excellent.

10:14: About damn time: "This year, I will work with Congress and our military to finally repeal the law that denies gay Americans the right to serve the country they love because of who they are. It's the right thing to do."

Yay!

bdbd: @9:50, after the Bush legacy was detailed, PBS cut to McCain, who grinned and repeatedly yammered "Blame it on Bush" to Lindsay Graham (who seemed to be trying to shut the old fart up).

Well, certainly that was McCain's strategy.

max
['Everybody hates Bush.']

Notice how during the health care parts one of the networks (not sure which one I was watching) did a lengthy shot right at Olympia Snowe. Ha ha.

As for duration: bring it on, that way loser Bob will only have 10 Americans still watching.

It was amazing and I could not be more proud of our President! He is no wuss when it comes to telling it like it is. He makes the other side look like old sour pusses. I have hope once again (I never really lost it but I certainly feel renewed).

"Safe, clean nuclear power plants"

Nuclear power plants cannot be "safe", nuclear power plants are not "clean", and he forgot to mention nuclear power is THE MOST EXPENSIVE producer of electricity.

LUNACY.

Joe Friday...

If it's any consolation: I don't think this country knows how to build nuclear plants any more. Maybe we will have the Chinese come over and do it, like... the solar plant they are building in Arizona:

http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/16/suntech-to-open-plant-in-arizona/

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HFAC (I'm hoping to start an internet acronym - holy f&** ass crackers.

Lets not open the green/scientist argument again. This is not a republican only initiative. Do I have to point out the socialist paradise of France using 70% nuclear power.

And this country has some phenomenal latest generation nuclear plant designs. That's one of the best reasons to chant USA! Safer, better disposal, less risky. How shit do you think our nuclear scientists are? We've had fifty years to engineer around bureaucracy and engineer good process, and we've learned a lot of lessons

In terms of pollution and radiation, coal is worse than nuclear. Nuclear only ends up more expensive because of the protests, and the new generation of nuke power plants are probably the least polluting, most efficient plants that can guarantee power consistently.

Because yes, we'd all love to be able to provide all the power we need using renewable sources. Do you really think we love shit like radiation poisoning? Really? But we can't provide all the power we need right now without nuclear if we forgo fossil fuels. And practically, nukes are our best option right now. Ask the scientists. And when we get high efficiency solar and wind we'll decommission nukes because they won't make any money.

Please do me a favor and assume that like you I don't want to die in pain with no hair. We all know we don't want a long term radiation issue, but we get a constant radiation and pollution issue right now with coal, gas won't last forever, and all the wind farms (even allowing for my farts - I try my best) don't change these facts.

We need the green movement to keep nuclear honest; that means being an honest partner because we need power too, and making the right choices ecologically involves making good science and people choices.

And I'm the Obama booster on this thread. Sorry about getting on my horse ...

There is an overwhelming scientific consensus that humans cause global warming. Maybe not a political consensus, but scientific? Undoubtedly.

Sorry, I'm the obama booster on the next thread. My bad ;)

royalblue_tom,

"And this country has some phenomenal latest generation nuclear plant designs. That's one of the best reasons to chant USA! Safer, better disposal, less risky"

"Safer" is not safe.

"Less risky" is not safe.

"Nuclear only ends up more expensive because of the protests..."

Whaaaat ?

"and the new generation of nuke power plants are probably the least polluting"

Probably ?

"guarantee power consistently."

Consistent is not the same as less expensive.

Re SOTU in 140 characters, it looks like 60% or more (eyeball estimate) of your entries would qualify... Perhaps not that dumb an idea after all, eh?

"In terms of pollution and radiation, coal is worse than nuclear."

Depends on what you mean wrt pollution. Coal puts out a lot of CO2 whereas nuclear put out little (the process of mining and moving the uranium is the main source. On the other hand fission plants of course produce the aptly named "nuclear waste." That waste is not an issue for climate change but has a lot of other issues, most notably that we have no good way to contain it.

As for coal being a bigger source of radiation than coal that's just insane.

"But we can't provide all the power we need right now without nuclear if we forgo fossil fuels. And practically, nukes are our best option right now. Ask the scientists."

Thank you for asking, I'm a physicist, Nuclear provides a small but significant role int he US power economy. It should probably continue to fulfill that role. Trying to make it take any significant amount of the loss of power if we go off fossil fuels is a non-starter. FOr one thing there just isn't enough uranium fuel to make it worthwhile. There are other options like Thorium and Uranium from seawater but those are unproven technologies. Show they work FIRST and then we'll look at building the thousands of plants.

I wrote an article on the topic with references here:
http://swordscrossed.org/diary/20081202/nuclear-fuels

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Nice pedantry Joe Friday. Probably is a turn of phrase. Consistent as in doesn't stop working when the wind drops. Safer as in safer because nothing is completely safe - not coal, oil, or even the renewables.

And yes, in pure cash terms nuclear can be cheaper.
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf02.html

Tlaloc - coal fly ash is a greater cause of radiation than nuclear waste (scientific american has a piece on it, so does wikipedia - see "Coal"). Thanks for the uranium availability link - good reading.

royalblue_tom,

"Nice pedantry Joe Friday."

Bad attempt at a dodge, Tom.

"Consistent as in doesn't stop working when the wind drops."

Which was your response to the fact that electricity produced by nuclear power is the most expensive.

"Safer as in safer because nothing is completely safe - not coal, oil, or even the renewables."

None of those are catastrophically unsafe, but I’ve not advocated for coal or oil.

"And yes, in pure cash terms nuclear can be cheaper. http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf02.html"

False.

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