March 9, 2010
LOSING OLD FRIENDS BEFORE FINDING NEW ONES.... For all the renewed sense of optimism and momentum surrounding health care reform, never, ever, overlook Democrats' capacity to shoot themselves in the foot.
If health care reform stands any chance at all, it can't afford to lose Dems who voted for reform when it came up in November. The task, at this point, should be investing time and energy into switching "nay" votes to "aye," not convincing "aye" votes to finish what they started.
And yet, a non-trivial number of confused, craven Democrats are openly considering betrayal -- and facing a razor-thin margin of error, the total is hard to overlook.
Rep. Steve Kagen (D) of Wisconsin voted for reform, and is now hedging.
"I have made the case to the speaker and also to the White House that we should take small pieces, small bites," Kagen said. "In the practice of medicine, I can't give a child a big pill. What do we do? We cut it up into pieces. Let's find things we can agree on."
I have no idea what that means, but it sounds pretty idiotic. Likewise, Rep. John Spratt (D) of South Carolina voted for reform, but is also considering betrayal. Rep. Jerry McNerney (D) of California endorsed reform in November, but sounds awfully close to a "no" vote now. And it's not just these three.
Remember, all of these guys already voted for health care reform, and can only reap the reward if they follow through and deliver. Inexplicably, they seem ready to turn tail -- hurting their constituents, their country, their party, and their own electoral prospects.
So, is it game over? Will the status quo and insurance companies win because, at gut-check time, Democrats found it easier to be cowards? We'll see soon enough, but it's worth emphasizing why each individual hint from every possible lawmaker may not be grounds for panic.
Ezra had an item today about why he doesn't trust, and tends to ignore, stories about lawmakers hedging on reform.
Since I can't see into the souls of legislators, I don't waste time trying to parse this stuff. The final weeks before a close vote feature a lot of congresspeople making statements of unbending opposition and then cutting deals which turn them into qualified supporters of the legislation. This appears to be happening with Bart Stupak, for instance, even though he's spent the past few weeks grabbing headlines with his vocal opposition to the bill. So my stance on all this is that we'll know soon enough, but until there's solid evidence, I'm not going to spend time chasing statements that may or may not mean what they appear to mean.
That's entirely reasonable. But for those hoping to influence the outcome, and organize pressure on and cover of various wavering lawmakers, these public statements, at a minimum, signal who needs the most attention.
So, for example, when Steve Kagen in Wisconsin or Jerry McNerney in California signals their willingness to let the nation down and side with far-right Republicans on health care, it's a signal that their constituents need to get in touch with them. It's one thing for media professionals monitoring the debate not to overreact to every quote from every vacillating lawmaker, but for Americans desperate to see reform pass, overacting to discouraging quotes is very likely a good idea.
Also note the larger context here. Insurance companies and their allies are going for the kill right now, investing $10 million in a new round of vile attack ads, hoping to rally Americans to oppose legislation that the public desperately needs, while scaring Democrats into rejecting a reform package they've already supported.
If ever there was a time for health care reform supporters to give it all they've got, this is that time. A once-in-a-generation opportunity is on the line, and if supporters fail to fight, reform will very likely fail to pass.
—Steve Benen 4:40 PM
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Until the Dems find the ability as a group to stand up and speak loudly, forcibly, and, yes, sometimes emotionally, about their program, and not hedge and not "negotiate," (synonym for "give away the farm") they will always be viewed as "weak." Because they are. Well, maybe just pusillanimous.
Posted by: Greg Worley on March 9, 2010 at 4:46 PM | PERMALINK
one thing i ask myself all the time: why do people like this go into politics?
and one thing i tell myself all the time: the median intelligence of the congress is lower than the median intelligence of the adult public (and that takes some doing).
Posted by: howard on March 9, 2010 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK
Yes, I agree with Rep. Kagan. And you can't help a mother give birth to a big baby. What do we do? We cut it up into small pieces.
Wait. What?
Posted by: Gridlock on March 9, 2010 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK
"Will the status quo and insurance companies win because, at gut-check time, Democrats found it easier to be cowards?"
Or did the money people get to them and get them bought off?
Posted by: AngryOldVet on March 9, 2010 at 4:54 PM | PERMALINK
One-inch to the goal line seems so easy, right? Will it be a quarterback sneak, a screen to the right or left? A dramatic catapult over the top?
The crowd, the audience at home...tensing with suspense -- and then -- A TV time-out!
Never fails!
I'm not worried. Its these shriveling Dem cowards that SHOULD BE WORRIED.
Posted by: DeepTruths on March 9, 2010 at 4:54 PM | PERMALINK
For little kids you cut up a pill and... why not just say you smash it into a spoon and drown it with water. Is that what Kagen suggests we do with health care? Because that's what he's saying there.
Posted by: QrazyQat on March 9, 2010 at 4:54 PM | PERMALINK
Right-Wing Mobilization On Health Care Against Targeted House Dems
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/are-right-wing-ads-and-phone-calls-against-health-care-working.php#more
Conservative groups have been targeting key House Democrats in an ad campaign to stop the health care bill. So how much of it is working -- and how much of it is just annoying the offices involved?
A key example in the last week has been from a group called the League of American Voters, headed up by Dick Morris. The group has run a set of ads against swing-seat Democrats who voted for the bill. Targeted members have been Mike Arcuri (NY), Chris Carney (PA), Kathy Dahlkemper (PA), Baron Hill (IN), Steve Kagen (WI), Paul Kanjorski (PA), Dan Maffei (NY), Alan Mollohan (WV), Tom Perriello (VA), Nick Rahall (WV), and Mark Schauer (MI). The ad was later changed after Rep. Steve Kagen (D-WI) complained that the ad claimed he had already voted for an excise tax on health care benefits, which was in the
Senate bill and not the House version that he did in fact support.
A Democratic leadership aide told TPMDC that the overall campaign against the bill could have a real impact, and criticized the lack of a similar effort by liberals. "If what they're hearing, even if it's totally manufactured, is from conservative groups opposing reform, and you're seeing TV ads going after reform, that could play a role, down the line I think, in terms of them making a decision," said the aide, also adding. "You always want to feel as if there is some support out there. I don't get a sense right now that there is a similar effort with reform advocates to counter what is going on on the right, and not only counter it but punch it back even harder."
Another Democratic source said: "It's a lot of noise, but in order to cancel out the noise there should definitely be more air cover coming from the left."
Here's Morris's list:
These thirty Democratic Congressmen all voted for Obamacare the first time around.
The League of American voters is running ads in each of their districts to press them to vote no on Obamacare.
Pick up the phone and call these swing Congressmen. If you support health care reform let them hear from you!
Here�s the list:
PLEASE CALL! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE
Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1145
Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999
Mark Schauer (202) 225-6276 (517) 780-9075
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462)
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500
John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371
Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150
Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657
Earl Pomneroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954
Let�s get busy to save health care in America! Thank you
Posted by: markg8 on March 9, 2010 at 4:55 PM | PERMALINK
And yet the DSCC and DNC will continue to give these incumbents money for their re-election without ever giving a thought to what it means to be a Democrat and why it's so hard to pass major parts of the legislative platform they were specifically put in office to enact.
Coincidentally it's also the reason why the DSCC and DNC will never see another dime of my money.
Posted by: doubtful on March 9, 2010 at 5:00 PM | PERMALINK
As frightened deer in the headlights freeze to lose their lives, our Congressional Democrats are beginning to stop and gaze at the approaching light not realizing it is the train of HCR come to take them to the promised land of re-election.
Get off the road, and get aboard the A-train taking Americans to the promised land of HCR oh greatly confused Democratic representatives, and ye will be greatly rewarded by us American people with political longevity! -Kevo
Posted by: kevo on March 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM | PERMALINK
Reread the McNerney article... it's from February 18 and says he couldn't vote for the Senate bill without changes. Very old news, lots of people were saying that.
Posted by: Brittain33 on March 9, 2010 at 5:19 PM | PERMALINK
Follow the money...
Posted by: ComradeAnon on March 9, 2010 at 5:20 PM | PERMALINK
This is not only a test of the democrat's collective spine, it's also a test as to whether or not our system of government is irrevocably broken.
Will the will of the people be served, or will a small but loud and bullying minority, along with entrenched moneyed interests, reign supreme?
Stay tuned!
Posted by: citizen_pain on March 9, 2010 at 5:25 PM | PERMALINK
one thing i ask myself all the time: why do people like this go into politics? -- Howard, @16:53
For the super-duper healthcare, what else?
Posted by: exlibra on March 9, 2010 at 5:32 PM | PERMALINK
AHIP pulled out it's big checkbook.
Posted by: Winkandanod on March 9, 2010 at 6:25 PM | PERMALINK
I'm actually waiting for a call from the DSCC or DCCC asking me to give money (as they reliably do). I really wonder what their pitch will be this time. Fear of the Republicans taking back Congress? From what I can tell, they never actually lost it.
Posted by: NaveenM on March 9, 2010 at 6:46 PM | PERMALINK
* Israel puts Biden in an awkward spot: "Hours after Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. vowed unyielding American support for Israel's security here on Tuesday, Israel's interior ministry announced 1,600 new housing units for Jews in East Jerusalem."
Boy, there's a shocker. With special friends like this, who needs enemies?
Posted by: dr. bloor on March 9, 2010 at 6:56 PM | PERMALINK
No bill without either Medicare buy-in for EVERYONE who wants to or a ROBUST public option AND no bill unless women are allowed to continue owning their own bodies.
You fucks want to sell out women and their reproductive rights to ensure that insurance companies and big pharma get their government-enforced profits forevermore. Go to hell.
Posted by: Praedor Atrebates on March 9, 2010 at 7:16 PM | PERMALINK
The Dems are finished either way. If they pass their atrocious insurance company and big pharma GIVEAWAY bill, they are FUCKED in November. If they don't, they are FUCKED in November.
So, they can fuck themselves by FORCING every last Amerikan serf to give their money to corrupt and greedy private insurance companies (CEOs are coming in their shorts at that idea) without ANY controls on premiums, co-pays, deductibles, or adverse selection, OR they can fuck themselves by being incompetent ineffectual weaklings.
You know what? 65% of the Amerikan OWNERS of Congress support the Public Option or Medicare buy-in for everyone as an option. You know what? Congress loves them some private insurance CEO cock and pussy so what do they do? They IGNORE the people that actually OWN them (we the people) and do what the CEOs tell them to do.
Fuck them, fuck you people.
Posted by: Praedor Atrebates on March 9, 2010 at 7:21 PM | PERMALINK
Will the insurance companies win? Haven't they already? All those millions of mandated new customers and the IRS to make sure everyone pays their premiums?
Will the status quo win? Hasn't it won already?
Even more people get the opportunity to quality to have to dump every asset they have and empty every pocket to qualify for a Medicaid expansion and become the new undeserving poor. The middle class gets taxed to pay for it; the wealthy get off without any kind of haircut. Oh, and women take a sucker-punch to the gut.
Meanwhile health care company stocks rise and rise and Wall Street thanks us all for the premiums we pay and they invest for those hefty management fees.
How is that NOT the status quo?
Posted by: dandelion on March 9, 2010 at 7:36 PM | PERMALINK
The Democraps want to ensure mega profits for the TOTALLY dispensible private insurance industry, protect exorbitant pricing from big pharma (who then go and sell the exact same drugs for 1/3 the price in other countries), enrich Wall Street further by enacting a cap-and-trade scheme so that Goldman-Sachs can have a controlling part in carbon trading.
Way to go!
Let's see, not a single other industrialized nation relies on private insurance for the entire basis of their universal healthcare systems. Not. A. One. Only in fascist Amerika are we to sell our lives out to Wall Street and insurance company middlemen for no value-add.
The HCR bill doesn't prevent medical bankruptcy, doesn't prevent premium jacking, doesn't prevent exorbitant co-pays or deductibles. All it does is hand CEOs and shareholders guaranteed profits forevermore.
The Democraps need to be strung up from lampposts as traitors to the human race.
Posted by: Praedor Atrebates on March 9, 2010 at 9:06 PM | PERMALINK
"I have no idea what that means, but it sounds pretty idiotic."
I don't believe you. I don't believe after having so many people patiently explain tyo you time and again that the best way forward is not a giant fucked up omnibus bill but narrow popular bills, that you still can't figure out the concept.
I particularly don't believe you since we've seen direct evidence of this plan work. The house bill to revoke the insurance company anti-trust exemption passed 406-19. It gathered not only enough votes to pass but a huge majority, including strong republican support. By comparison the house HCR reform bill passed 220-215 with one republican in support. Now maybe Republicans int eh senate will try to block it but then you have a rift between house and senate GOP (golly wouldn't it be keen to be putting our enemy's at each others throats for a change?).
This works. It has worked. It;s worked well. It doesn't involve the ugly sausage making that turned the senate HCR bill into such a piece of shit.
But of course you not only won't consider it you'll try to pretend you have just no idea its even been suggested.
This is why progressives are getting more and more disgusted with you "pragmatists." It's not just that you support evil, but you support STUPID evil. If you were going to sell your souls (and you have here) then at least shouldn't you have gotten a deal that actually benefited you instead of making you look like such assclowns?
Posted by: Tlaloc on March 9, 2010 at 9:48 PM | PERMALINK
Praedor and Tlaloc riding together again.
Who could have predicted?
Posted by: on March 9, 2010 at 10:08 PM | PERMALINK
"In the practice of medicine, I can't give a child a big pill. What do we do? We cut it up into pieces. Let's find things we can agree on."
And you can't send children to big hospitals. You have to cut them up into pieces.
Posted by: Ross Best on March 9, 2010 at 11:27 PM | PERMALINK
Has it ever occurred to any of you that, perhaps, Obamacare, regardless of whether you're talking the House or Senate version, just...sucks?
Given Benen's preference for name-calling over argument, this might go over his head, but did you have even a moment while watching Paul Ryan's pitch at the Obama summit where you thought, "Hmm, maybe this claim that Obamacare will lower the deficit is just a crock. Maybe he's right -- the Dems 'gamed' the bill to get a CBO score that doesn't represent reality. Maybe this bill will make health care worse not better and lead to the US' insolvency."
Nah, it's more fun to snark. Go team go!
Posted by: Vail Beach on March 10, 2010 at 12:16 AM | PERMALINK
"these guys can only reap the reward if they follow through and deliver. Inexplicably, they seem ready to turn tail -- hurting their constituents, their country, their party, and their own electoral prospects."
Mr. Benen says this a lot, but I don't understand - these Dems clearly fear a backlash from "independents" MORE than they fear losing progressive voters. The Dem pols, of course, believe they are helping their electoral prospects by changing their minds on HCR.
Along with their prospects for campaign contributions too.
Posted by: flubber on March 10, 2010 at 1:35 AM | PERMALINK
Give Kagen a break,
He is in a generally Republican district and will have his hands full in November. He is looking for some cover. Will we be any happier if his vote costs us a Dem seat in November?
We would all like him to vote for the bill and still win in November. We should respect that that is a very fine line to walk and cut him some slack as he tries to do it.
Posted by: ajohng on March 10, 2010 at 9:25 AM | PERMALINK
>> these Dems clearly fear a backlash from "independents" MORE than they fear losing progressive voters.
And why wouldn't they? Nationally, there are twice as many independents as there are progressives. In some districts currently held by Democrats, I'm sure liberalism is embraced by 20 percent or fewer, and the representative must clearly delineate him or herself from your ideology.
This is a blog for zealots only, those who think principle = what you happen to believe, and all the rest of us are fallen-away scumbags or morons. The language used to describe anyone who disagrees with you demonstrates contempt, period, and little intellectual grasp of the arguments against your positions. This is why you almost always lose. You're just not as smart, collectively, as your mommas have told you you are.
Posted by: Vail Beach on March 10, 2010 at 12:56 PM | PERMALINK