Who wants to bet she'll keep doing it anyway? And the corporate MSM will cover it 24/7. She's talking to the base. In that unreal world she's a hero, and standing up for what they believe.

sure glad to see "responsible" figures like sessions, mukasey, starr, and huckleberry graham have decided what's crossing the line of decency in this country.

my heart swells with pride... yeah, sure...

and god damn dick cheney's shit-filled soul to hell.

I'm not surprised that RINOs like Lindsey Graham and Kenneth Starr are attacking Liz Cheney for exercising her First Amendment rights.

We seem to be approaching the point of a mainstream consensus that Cheney and Keep America Safe crossed a line of American decency that responsible figures simply aren't supposed to cross.

For which her punishment will be an endless stream of invites to appear on prominent television talking head shows, and probably a huge book deal from Regnery.

Pretty weak, Al. Nobody's saying that Liz Cheney should be able to speak her opinions. Instead, as you should know, being able to speak your opinions doesn't immunize you from having them criticized.

We seem to be approaching the point of a mainstream consensus that Cheney and Keep America Safe crossed a line of American decency that responsible figures simply aren't supposed to cross.

Crossing a line of American decency so far over that she ought to be shunned in public? Absolutely. Enough for the cable news programs to show even a residue of good taste and refuse to book her ever again? Not a chance; she'll probably be on even more now. Truly disgraceful.

With William Kristol on the board of Keep America Safe, why not more push back against him?

It's not a matter of Liz Cheney crossing a line and being reined back in by principled conservatives; it's that she was just a bit too forthright with the authoritarianism. Right wing media spokespeople are supposed to keep up the pretense that they favor Freedom and Democracy, and not reveal the fascist thuggery just under the surface of their movement.

Is Liz Cheney planning a run for political office? If so, be afraid. She's Sarah Palin with a brain.

Anyone catch Marc Thiessen on Jon Stewart last night? These torture-apologists must know something. Like the average citizen's contempt for human rights and basic decency.

Hey, aren't all those guys criticizing Liz TRIAL LAWYERS?

And you know how the GOP feels about them!

As for Our Liz, she's as pure as the driven snow. Or was, until she drifted. . .

So I guess we know where "the line" is now. Kicking kids out of health insurance programs is perhaps unfortunate. Moving hundreds upon hundreds of billions of dollars out of the middle class economy is breaking a few eggs. Lying about WMD is the price of liberty. But so help me God if you call a lawyer a terrorist...

So, there you go. There's your line right there.

As DAY noted, the defense from the right is more a matter of pushback against unjustified attacks on lawyers than against unjustified denial of the constitutional rights of suspects.

Is Liz Cheney planning a run for political office? If so, be afraid. She's Sarah Palin with a brain.
Posted by: walt

I know lots of people with brains. The cemeteries are full of them. But having a brain that's dead and decaying into worm-riddled goo doesn't mean squirrel-squat, so I'm not going to be terribly worried about a Sarah Palin mini-me that goes over the lemming-cliff long before aspiring to diseased fantasies of political grandeur.

I'll be impressed when these outraged right wingers show their disgust not only with defending their fellow laywers but with the unjust acts perpetrated onto the ones who were renditioned, tortured,and murdered by Cheney's dad, Darth.

Hey, there's some predictable garbage in that NYT article, from none-other than the Lawyer Who Protected Us From The Terrorists:

"John C. Yoo, the former Justice official whose memorandums on torture and presidential power were used to justify some of the most controversial policies of the Bush administration, said he had not seen the material from Ms. Cheney’s group. But Professor Yoo, who now teaches at the University of California, Berkeley, and is active in the Federalist Society, said the debate about lawyers who once represented detainees at the American prison in Guantánamo Bay serving in the Justice Department was overheated.

“What’s the big whoop?” he asked. “The Constitution makes the president the chief law enforcement officer. We had an election. President Obama has softer policies on terror than his predecessor.” He said, “He can and should put people into office who share his views.” Once the American people know who the policy makers are, he said, “they can decide whether they agree with him or not.”

Really? I think all those Al-Qaeda and Taliban guys who's molecules have been forcibly distanced from each other via Predator drone might disagree with you that Obama is "softer."

Shorter Liz Cheney = Media Whore

She exists only to promote Liz Cheney, just like the rest of the clown car collection, Beck Rush Coulter Malkin et all.

Remind me again what her qualifications are that her opinion would be so revered?

Interesting that while many conservative attorneys from the Bush and Reagan years are calling her out for this, Mourning Joe led, yesterday, with a new poll from somewhere showing more people becoming critical of the handling of terrorists and interrogation by our administration. Apparently, FAUX News is getting out better spin to those who are never concerned with any facts. Liz speaks and the ill-informed listen.

I think everyone is misunderestimating Cheney and her goals. This attack has illicited rebukes from Republicans who offer up the old "Democrats are guilty of this too" cannard. By way of example they offer up Jay Bybee and John Yoo.

I believe this is really about offering cover for and rehabilitating the reputations of the Yoos and Bybees of the Bush years.

In a another 12 to 20 years several loyal Bushie lawyers will be sufficiently redeemed to merit consideratin for the Supreme Court.

It's a relief to know that line is still there. But I suspect it's only there because there are some Republican oxes being gored. Or because of their self-interest in not wanting to go down with the Cheney ship.

They are otherwise happy to allow such tactics to continue.

Every time a defense lawyer fights to make the government do their job, that defense lawyer has made us all safer.

This is one of the best summaries of the issue I've seen from either side. And from <expletive deleted> Lindsey Graham of all people.

Bi-partisan?

I haven't heard a Democrat push back yet. It's ALL been Republicans.

Bi-partisan?

I haven't heard a Democrat push back yet. It's ALL been Republicans.

That would require having principles. And a spine.

The push back from within the GOP is surprising. But it isn't entirely disinterested; it's largely coming from lawyers who themselves are vulnerable to this sort of attack.

One wonders when Cheney and Kristol will get around to attacking the doctors who treat the inmates at Gitmo.

I often wonder if our 'sighs of relief' when someone denounces something as insane as this, aren't playing right into the propagandists' hands. This makes otherwise radical right-wing fringe politicians and pundits look "reasonable".

Moving the 'Overton Window' might be the whole point.

I don't understand, each person backing the calling out Cheney was cool with torture. How are you cool with torture, but not cool with defaming layers who wanted their clients to have rights, um, like the right to not be punished before trial (torture).

They are basically saying that it's fine to torture someone, but you had not mess with their lawyers who want them to have rights guaranteed under the constitution.

It doesn't make sense.

ScottW: I don't understand, each person backing the calling out Cheney was cool with torture. How are you cool with torture, but not cool with defaming layers who wanted their clients to have rights, um, like the right to not be punished before trial (torture).

They are basically saying that it's fine to torture someone, but you had not mess with their lawyers who want them to have rights guaranteed under the constitution.

It doesn't make sense.

My thoughts exactly. At this point, assuming that the modern conservatives we've all come to know of late are acting on any shred of principle, seems hopelessly naive. This seems as choreographed as anything we've come to expect from the right and it's MSM enablers.

If there's anything wingers hate worse than terrorists, it's lawyers and the very idea of rights being afforded to anyone (even) *suspected* of a crime. Unless, of course, they think they might need to "lawyer up" sometime in the near future; so better to not burn those bridges.

See my theory at 12:20. This has Overton Window manipulation written all over it.

We'll have to wait until Rush Limbaugh comes out in support of Keep America Safe. How many of these Republicans will walk their decency back?

ScottW: I don't understand, each person backing the calling out Cheney was cool with torture. How are you cool with torture, but not cool with defaming layers who wanted their clients to have rights, um, like the right to not be punished before trial (torture).

Uh, because the conservatives in question are all upper class white conservative lawyers or people whose friends are upper class conservative lawyers? This accusation was striking close to home. Remember, no many how much harm these people have done to this country, its political system and its citizens, they think they are heroes, the best sort of Americans, and all those bad things you think they did are irrelevant to this self-judgement.

They and their friends are under attack, here, not a bunch of loser liberals, phoney do-gooders, or dirty foriegners. They will defend themselves and their illusion of virtue.

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