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March 11, 2010

BECK DOUBLES DOWN ON OPPOSITION TO 'SOCIAL JUSTICE'.... This week, on his radio show, right-wing host Glenn Beck raised a few eyebrows when he condemned churches that take "social justice" seriously.

"I beg you, look for the words 'social justice' or 'economic justice' on your church web site," Beck urged his audience. "If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!"

Today, Beck returned to the subject, insisting that the notion of social justice is "a perversion of the Gospel," and "not what Jesus would say." He wasn't kidding.

He went on to say that Americans should be skeptical of religious leaders who are "basing their religion on social justice," and explained his fear that concern for social justice is a problem "infecting all" faith traditions.

Beck's condemnations aren't going over well in some faith communities. The Rev. Jim Wallis, a prominent evangelical figure and president of the Sojourners network, argued yesterday, "I don't know if Beck is just strange, just trying to be controversial, or just trying to make money. But in any case, what he has said attacks the very heart of our Christian faith, and Christians should no longer watch his show."

It's strange enough to hear the deranged media personality share his bizarre thoughts on domestic policy, foreign policy, history, constitutional law, and economics -- subjects he knows nothing about. But we now see Beck arguing, more than once, that the central tenet of most Christian churches is a secret plot that should drive the faithful from their congregations.

We're well past the shark-jumping moment with this self-described clown, but I can't help but wonder if this is the kind of lunacy that might actually cost him some fans.

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Yes, and only in your country can such a deranged and dangerous idiot make over 50 million a year. In no other country in the world coudl this even begin to happen. Beyond that incredible fact, that speaks so much about the nature of your country, are the MILLIONS THAT LISTEN TO IT AND 'BELIEVE' IT.

Posted by: blue on March 11, 2010 at 1:26 PM | PERMALINK

Jim Wallis, argued yesterday, "I don't know if Beck is just strange, just trying to be controversial, or just trying to make money.

Take out the "or" Rev. Wallis, I am certain the answer is all of the above.

Posted by: Bobo Teh Clown on March 11, 2010 at 1:27 PM | PERMALINK

blue, do I really need to give you a crash course in early to mid 20th century European history?

Posted by: Steve LaBonne on March 11, 2010 at 1:30 PM | PERMALINK

If this doesn't separate the wheat from the chaf, or the authentic Christians from the Xtians, what will? What of the Jews and Muslims who may watch his show and buy from his sponsors? Or anyone who watches Fox? Is he really getting away with basically denying the basis of almost all spiritual traditions? The care of humanity?

One Wonders!

Posted by: st john on March 11, 2010 at 1:33 PM | PERMALINK

The next step is for Beck to explain what the basis of religion actually is, if it isn't morality, ethics & justice.

I'd love to see him diagram his own "beliefs" on his little blackboard.

Posted by: Gummo on March 11, 2010 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK

Blue: You're nuts. There are crazies all over the world, you weirdo. America certainly has them, but...um.. UGANDA? Okay, so they don't make 50 million, but that's really rather peripheral.

Posted by: Kenneth G. Cavness on March 11, 2010 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK

Good news, I won't have to worry about pricks like GB showing up at my church to interrupt our good works. Besides, parsimonious turds tend to upset the hungry and homeless people we attract...

Posted by: andyvillager on March 11, 2010 at 1:37 PM | PERMALINK

"but I can't help but wonder if this is the kind of lunacy that might actually cost him some fans."

I think this could be traced to extolling the virtues and importance of a disgraced Congressman who proceeded to talk about gay tickle fights and Navy orgies.

Keep in mind Beck's audience... old, white, conservative. If that doesn't force at least some of these people to remove their tin foil hats, I don't know what will.

Posted by: JRinDallas on March 11, 2010 at 1:38 PM | PERMALINK

The gospel, according to Saint Glen...

And Jesus said:
- Blessed are the rich, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven
- Blessed are the shriek, for they shall inherit the earth
- Blessed are the merciless, for they shall determine mercy
- Blessed are the warmakers, for they shall be called the sons of God

Furthermore Jesus said:
- It is easier for a camel to fit thru the eye of a needle than for a poor man to go to heaven.
- Let he who is wealthy cast the first stone.
- Do unto others before they do unto you

Posted by: GlenBeckClone on March 11, 2010 at 1:40 PM | PERMALINK

Get Wallis to explain why his "social gospel" for women is a whole lot less than it is for penised-evangelicals...

Posted by: neill on March 11, 2010 at 1:41 PM | PERMALINK

"so they don't make 50 million, but that's really rather peripheral."

No, that is the point blue was making.
And it is quite remarkable.

Posted by: Johnny Canuck on March 11, 2010 at 1:41 PM | PERMALINK

blue--at least he stays confined to talk radio and tv where he belongs, we don't elect him reichsfuhrer.
I'm just gonna assume you don't know much about the world at all.

as for Beck, the first person I turn to for instruction on the meaning of the Gospels is an alchoholic drug addicted morning zoo dj./sarcasm(in case it doesn't translate for blue)

Posted by: Allan Snyder on March 11, 2010 at 1:41 PM | PERMALINK

Beck and his can't get past the word "social" in any of its forms. Their reductive minds have grasped onto the word "Socialism" and anything that shares its root is therefore, ipso facto, bad. It's pretty pathetic, actually, their inability to make simple distinctions that most high school students can grasp. Just don't invite him to your social club, or try socializing with him.

Posted by: Jon on March 11, 2010 at 1:42 PM | PERMALINK

To follow up on JRinDallas: Not only are these people mostly old, white and conservative; I'd venture a guess that their churches are of the fundamentalist Protestant variety (Baptist, Nazarene, etc.). Having grown up in one of these churches, I can tell you that their ideas of "social justice" involve forcing women to have babies, and stopping gays from enjoying the same rights as heterosexuals.

Posted by: bikelib on March 11, 2010 at 1:42 PM | PERMALINK

I'd say Beck is right. If you believe the Bible, you should be stoning people left and right.

Posted by: Dems lose huge in 2010 on March 11, 2010 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINK

p.s. the Swiss might actually be listening more to Beck's unhinged and xenophobic rants more than we are--didn't they ban the building of minarets on mosques? Then there's France, banning head covers for muslim women.
Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of things I love about Europe and other parts of the world, but spare us the sanctimonious bullshit.

Posted by: Allan Snyder on March 11, 2010 at 1:46 PM | PERMALINK

"The next step is for Beck to explain what the basis of religion actually is, if it isn't morality, ethics & justice."

Money, power, and (in Beck's little version of it) raping multiple pre-teen girls

Posted by: Phalamir on March 11, 2010 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINK

First, conservatives purged the Republican Party of everything that I could possibly find appealing (sober-minded determination to let caution, prudence and forethought control policy-making rather than emotions). Now they're intent on purging religion of everything that I could find appealing: dedication to social justice and helping the downtrodden.

The premise seems to be that there cannot be ANY common ground between liberals and conservatives. If any common ground is found, it should be considered suspect.

Posted by: Daryl McCullough on March 11, 2010 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINK

JRinDallas said: "Keep in mind Beck's audience... old, white, conservative. If that doesn't force at least some of these people to remove their tin foil hats, I don't know what will."

I refer you to http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/, which is tongue-in-cheek, of course, but I think the actual science involved is sound.

For those who don't have the time to read the whole thing, here is the abstract:

"Among a fringe community of paranoids, aluminum helmets serve as the protective measure of choice against invasive radio signals. We investigate the efficacy of three aluminum helmet designs on a sample group of four individuals. Using a $250,000 network analyser, we find that although on average all helmets attenuate invasive radio frequencies in either directions (either emanating from an outside source, or emanating from the cranium of the subject), certain frequencies are in fact greatly amplified. These amplified frequencies coincide with radio bands reserved for government use according to the Federal Communication Commission (FCC). Statistical evidence suggests the use of helmets may in fact enhance the government's invasive abilities. We speculate that the government may in fact have started the helmet craze for this reason."

My conclusion: Never underestimate the ability of an old, white, conservative whack job to keep his/her tinfoil hat on.

Posted by: JCB on March 11, 2010 at 1:52 PM | PERMALINK

In no other country in the world coudl this even begin to happen.

North Korea? Iran? I know those similarities don't reflect very well on the US, but the US doesn't have the corner on elevating and celebrating Teh Crazy.

Posted by: grape_crush on March 11, 2010 at 1:53 PM | PERMALINK

Personally, the last thing I'd do is attack someone from another country simply making an accurate observation. And the wackos say those on the left lack patriotism?

I guess one part of me is relieved to see liberals blindly defending their country a.la right wingers, the other is disgusted at the lack of hospitality and gratitude shown to outsiders who rightly express their revulsion with us.

blue is right... and I fail to see how that differs from the many times we've heard 'only in America' repeated on our beloved forum... except that it was assumed to have been said by an insider.

Posted by: JTK on March 11, 2010 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK

"...Christians should no longer watch his show." - Rev. Wallis

Welcome to the club

Posted by: Marko on March 11, 2010 at 1:56 PM | PERMALINK

Beck has to divert attention away from the disaster that was the Massa interview. As crazy as Masa might be, it sure seemed as though Beck got punked in that interview.

Posted by: JWK on March 11, 2010 at 1:58 PM | PERMALINK

Beck's star is burning too bright, too fast. Can't go on much longer at this pace. He's either going to dial back the crazy to a sustainable level, or he'll have a breakdown. Or rehab. Or something. Whatever happens, his show -- if he still has one -- will probably be much different a year from now.

That's not snark; I'm entirely sincere about that.

Posted by: Snarky Bastard on March 11, 2010 at 1:58 PM | PERMALINK

Getting harder to think there isn't a specifically anti-Catholic bent to all this.

Posted by: G C on March 11, 2010 at 2:02 PM | PERMALINK

Ahh, the ruminations of a dry drunk, ex-coke head Jack Mormon telling Christians how to behave.

Only in America

Posted by: apeman on March 11, 2010 at 2:03 PM | PERMALINK

Beck is like Limbaugh, they're both con-men, plain and simple. They're selling a product, not spreading an ideology.

This whole anti-social justice thing isn't something Beck cooked up. It's the core belief system of right wing American Christians. It's the foundation of their national and world view. Beck is just spoon feeding them what they already believe. They're born (again) followers. They need to be told what to think and what to do even though their beliefs are already established. Beck and Limbaugh are their flesh and blood Jesuses. These people are obssessed with a George Harrison look-a-like with an eternal chip on his shoulder floating in the ether ready to smite their enemies. Beck and Limbaugh give them a living breathing justification for their paranoia and prejudices.

But for Beck and Limbaugh, it's all a racket, nothing more than $$$.

Posted by: SaintZak on March 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINK

"Glenn Beck raised a few eyebrows when he condemned churches that take "social justice" seriously"

I doubt that. The eyebrows he raised are only those of liberals looking for an angle to criticize him. He's a buffoon, and somewhat entertaining. His fans, if they go to church, know that he's talking about those "other" churches. (Black churches and liberal churches). Even if their own personal church does charitable works, that's different from overturning the economic system like the socialist Obama, and his network of black churches, black muslims, hollywood liberals and treehugging anarchists, all desire.

Plus, look at Prosperity Theology. Religion and the bible are big and ambiguous enough most everyone can find what they want in there.

Also, believing that humans will notice inconsistency and hypocrisy in their worldview, and then change their views for consistency, is quite far-fetched.

Posted by: flubber on March 11, 2010 at 2:07 PM | PERMALINK

For once, Beck is right on. you CANNOT be a republican and a Christian. God has known that for decades.

Posted by: gdb on March 11, 2010 at 2:16 PM | PERMALINK

There are whole mega-churches that preach that it is cool to be rich and selfish. That God wants you to be rich. That giving the poor or supporting charities is antithetical to God's will.

I'm not kidding.

Beck is just feeding into the libretarian world view that the individual is king. Such a view frowns on orgainized religion almost as much as it frowns on government.

Posted by: thorin-1 on March 11, 2010 at 2:19 PM | PERMALINK

One wonders what sort of drugs the guy is on. (I don't want any, whatever they are!) Either he has never opened the Bible and read any of the gospels, is so stupid that he doesn't think any of his listeners/supporters have, or he really does have some sort of mental imbalance.

What a loon.

Posted by: wihntr on March 11, 2010 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

JRinDallas, bikelib and SaintZak are on the mark here. No, Beck's lunacy re: "social justice" won't cost him any fans. The people who watch/read/hear Beck agree with him 100%. He may be a self-described clown but he knows his demographic.

Posted by: Catcher on March 11, 2010 at 2:28 PM | PERMALINK

Beck is sounding more and more like cult figure Jim Jones from Guyana. Beck instills fear and tries to isolate people so they become slavish followers of his Ayn Rand-inspired cult of nativism, selfishness and greed.

What a strange, little man. He is becoming truly deranged, right in front of millions of people on TV.

Posted by: pj in jesusland on March 11, 2010 at 2:30 PM | PERMALINK

Isn't this what McCarthy did? Started going after "reds" in the churches? Then he went after the Army and the Eisenhower administration and that was it. Beck will probably end up the same way, finally going too far for his own allies.

Posted by: Speed on March 11, 2010 at 2:30 PM | PERMALINK

Air America is off the air, but Beck continues sprewing on air.

Sanity is becoming the new fringe group, and extremists those who continue to believe in it.


Posted by: Mad Mad Mad World on March 11, 2010 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINK

I strolled on over to Mormon.org:

Your search for social justice returned 0 results.

So I guess Beck's safe.

Posted by: Snarky Bastard on March 11, 2010 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

This from a man who believes in the magic underware and the Jesus and Lucifer were brothers!

Posted by: Sean Scallon on March 11, 2010 at 2:34 PM | PERMALINK

I guess one part of me is relieved to see liberals blindly defending their country

no one's "blindly defending" anything, merely pointing out that the likes of Beck exist in other countries, and have throughout history.

blue is right...

only if you're as completely ignorant of the world and history as they are. Pointing that out doesn't make anyone here a blind loyalist, just more educated than you two.

Posted by: Allan Snyder on March 11, 2010 at 2:39 PM | PERMALINK

I am a Kingdom of God, New Creation, People of God, Resurrection, Eschatological Christian.

Please read Tom Wright's "Surprised by Hope," Stanley Grenz's "Theology for the People of God" and Eugene Peterson's "Practice Resurrection" just as a beginning.

Stop "proof-texting" to prove your point of view Mr. Wallis! Do become acquainted with God's overarching narrative from before the cosmos was created.

And, stop using the term “Social Justice” - look it up online. It does define Socialism/Communism.

Glenn Beck is correct!

Posted by: aware on March 11, 2010 at 2:41 PM | PERMALINK

Beck will probably end up the same way, finally going too far for his own allies.

kind of like Liz Cheney seems to be doing.

Posted by: Allan Snyder on March 11, 2010 at 2:41 PM | PERMALINK

And, stop using the term “Social Justice” - look it up online.

I did, and found it frequently used by the Catholic Church. Take it up with them.

Posted by: Allan Snyder on March 11, 2010 at 2:44 PM | PERMALINK

I may not be a "Kingdom of God, New Creation, People of God, Resurrection, Eschatological Christian" but I've read the bible:

Matthew 25:34-40

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was ahungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee ahungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was ahungered, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee ahungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Posted by: Jon on March 11, 2010 at 3:02 PM | PERMALINK

lord forgive glen beck (and his supporters) for he knows not what the hell he's saying ...

Posted by: mudwall jackson on March 11, 2010 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK

"I fail to see how that differs from the many times we've heard 'only in America' repeated on our beloved forum... except that it was assumed to have been said by an insider."
Posted by: JTK on March 11, 2010 at 1:55 PM

Every schoolkid knows that you can say whatever you want about your own Mom -- but nobody else gets that privilege.

Posted by: smartalek on March 11, 2010 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

remind me again why i am supposed to care about differing interpretations of the desires of the All-Powerful Magic Space Bunny or whatever?

Posted by: tatere on March 11, 2010 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK

remind me again why i am supposed to care

If for no other reason, then simply because so many other people do, and may attempt to control your life based on the worst sort of erroneous interpretation.

Posted by: Jon on March 11, 2010 at 3:16 PM | PERMALINK

@ mad mad world :
Sanity is becoming the new fringe group

My favorite of the day

Posted by: John Rumble on March 11, 2010 at 3:18 PM | PERMALINK

Two words: Prosperity gospel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology

Posted by: Hotspur on March 11, 2010 at 3:21 PM | PERMALINK

From the Breaking News/this Just In Department:

Society doubles down on opposition to Beck.

details at 6 and 11....

Posted by: S. Waybright on March 11, 2010 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

Hope the Methodists aren't Beck fans.
John Wesley, founder of the denomination, said "I know of no religion but social; no holiness but social holiness"

Posted by: jmm on March 11, 2010 at 3:38 PM | PERMALINK

I guess we can add "social justice" to the group of formerly benign terms that the media will pervert into evil along with: community activist, liberal, muslim, reconciliation, compromise.

Posted by: Winkandanod on March 11, 2010 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK

@Johnny Canuck: Of course it's the point he was making, because I responded to him and I dealt with it. That's just utter nonsense.

I'm saying it's peripheral, as in, it's a side issue. Whether or not blue, or you, think it means a goddamn bit of anything as to how much Glenn Beck is being paid, it doesn't.

The soapbox is what matters. If morons want to give them money to spew spittle all over the audience, then all that says is that there are morons out there with more dollars than sense.

Posted by: Kenneth G. Cavness on March 11, 2010 at 3:57 PM | PERMALINK

Beck is an intellectual dwarf whose peabrain gets confused easily! The real anti-hero, anti-American responsible for Beck's corrupting and corrosive influence is Rupert Murdoch who isn't even an American born citizen. I say deport Murdoch, and continue to engage advertizers to discontinue their economic support of this FOXNEWS anchored moron named Beck! Then, maybe we can celebrate a victory for sane discourse in a democratic society! -Kevo

Posted by: kevo on March 11, 2010 at 4:00 PM | PERMALINK

“HYPOCRITE, n. One who, professing virtues that he does not respect, secures the advantage of seeming to be what he depises.”

Ambrose Bierce

Tell me, did he begin to tear up as he neared the end, going into full-on, snot-flinging blubbering in the home stretch? Because that's his sincerity schtick - sanctification by salt water. Objectively, not a bad performance for a fat boozebag.

Posted by: Mark on March 11, 2010 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK

He may have to quit his own church.
Mormons for Social Justice

Posted by: patrick on March 11, 2010 at 4:11 PM | PERMALINK

He went on to say that Americans should be skeptical of religious leaders who are "basing their religion on social justice," and explained his fear that concern for social justice is a problem "infecting all" faith traditions.

Well, I say that Americans should be skeptical of leaders who are basing their political agenda on religious tenets. They are infecting the Constitution.

Posted by: chrenson on March 11, 2010 at 4:17 PM | PERMALINK

In my opinion, there are two types of Christians -- Old Testament Christians and New Testament Christians.

OT Christians tend to focus on the authoritarian messages found in the Old Testament, gravitating toward those that favor rules, intolerance, and punishments.

NT Christians, on the other hand, tend to focus on message and philosophy of Jesus Christ -- tolerance, acceptance, love, justice, etc. -- and the expression of such virtues with those whom they share a community.

Another way of looking at it -- OTCs are the elite and powerful Jews at the time Jesus began spreading His message (one that countermanded their control over the people), and NTCs are JC's apostles and followers, those that accepted and welcomed the Gentiles and other dregs of society.

Moving forward, let's hope that history doesn't repeat itself.


Posted by: BlueTickDem on March 11, 2010 at 4:20 PM | PERMALINK

Just an historical note for BlueTickDem - there were no such things as Christians "at the time of Jesus." Christ is a Greek term not applied to the Judaic sect following the teachings of the Rabbi Jesus of Nazarath until some time had lapsed after his death.

Your references to OTC and NTC would be more relevant had you placed your timeline c. 1100C.E.

I do agree there are OT and NT Christians among us today, and your observations on these Christian creatures reflects general trends.

I for one am a NTC, but sometimes forgiveness is difficult to give to digressive souls such as Glenn Beck's! -Kevo

Posted by: kevo on March 11, 2010 at 4:32 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, everybody remember when Jesus advised the flock to fuck over anyone who got in the way of their earning the most scratch?

Posted by: beejeez on March 11, 2010 at 4:35 PM | PERMALINK

OT Christian is an oxymoron. Beck is right on. You CANNOT be a Republican and a Christian. God has known that for decades.

Posted by: gdb on March 11, 2010 at 4:35 PM | PERMALINK
aware @ 2:41: no one's "blindly defending" anything, merely pointing out that the likes of Beck exist in other countries, and have throughout history.

This is false equivalence and you know it. Borrow from Republicans' playbook much?

blue is right...

only if you're as completely ignorant of the world and history as they are. Pointing that out doesn't make anyone here a blind loyalist, just more educated than you two.

Well, thanks for the attempted insult. Nevertheless, the idea that there exists equal counterparts to Glenn Beck (remember, blue's statement involved both the depths to which one stoops, *and* the compensation one can expect to receive for representing the worst elements of his society) anywhere else in the world is... truly ridiculous.

We don't need people like you on our side.

Posted by: JTK on March 11, 2010 at 4:38 PM | PERMALINK

My post @4:38 should have attributed the quoted text to 'Allan Snyder'. My apologies to 'aware'.

Posted by: JTK on March 11, 2010 at 4:42 PM | PERMALINK

Kevo -- Didn't want to get all historical; just wanted to draw a distinction between modern Christians and how far removed JC's message has become for some (OTC vs. NTC).

Regarding your historical factoid -- I always like to ask "true believers" about JC's religious affiliation, because it never fails that the vast majority will say with righteous indignation that JC was a Christian, of course. They really have a difficult time grasping the fact that he was Jewish. Not mention the fact that he didn't have blue eyes and blond hair.

And as an NTC, I too often find myself at odds with the forgiveness doctrine, especially with the likes of Glenn Beck...

Posted by: BlueTickDem on March 11, 2010 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK

Thanks for the response BTD. Here's to you! -Kevo

Posted by: kevo on March 11, 2010 at 4:56 PM | PERMALINK

I am one of the voices on Sojourner's taking him to task on his understanding of Christianity. Mr. Beck proves that Fame comes easy to those willing to play the buffoon.

visit www.life-and-faith.org for a more through analysis of how Mr. Beck does not understand the Gospel.

Posted by: Ernesto Tinajero on March 11, 2010 at 6:08 PM | PERMALINK

Glen Beck is nothing more than the media arm of the Murdochian Dollar Worshipers, who are doing everything in their power to root out the teachings of Jesus Christ from American politics and replace Christianity as the dominant American religion.

Jesus taught that it is blessed to help and advocate on behalf of the poor, the sick, the elderly, the helpless and that one should love rather than hate one's fellow man. However, these teachings are an obstacle to political expediency, corporate profits, "C-Street" morals, and the hate speech that have come to dominate the republican and tea-bag parties that use hate and disinformation to demonize their political opponents.

They resent the poor and the helpless because some of their tax-money might be used to help the disadvantaged. Rather, Beck and other Murdochians feel it essential to replace Christianity with Murdochian Dollar Worship. No one should be surprised that Beck values Gold Sales more than he does Christianity.

The Murdochian C-Streeters feel no need to grant onto either Caesar or Jesus, what they perceive as their natural born right to amass gold and other riches no matter what inequities exist in the world. Instead, News Corporation and the Murdochians work with Saudi Gold merchants and Godless Chinese Communists to weaken America by blocking progress in health care and other reforms essential to stabilize the American economy, so that multi-national business interests of the Fox News Corporation can be advanced and the expense of fairness, human decency, and Christianity.

Posted by: Christian Soldier on March 11, 2010 at 6:38 PM | PERMALINK

Christian Soldier:

While I agree with a lot of what you say, I believe the Republicans are bastardizing the teachings of Jesus Christ for legislative purposes. Not rooting them out of the body politic.

Because these teachings are the product of fables, all attributed to an unlikely single source, and rife with superstition, they can only be taken on faith. And because faith has to be immovable, I do not believe an organic, growing, adaptive democracy can be built upon it. Hence, the separation of church and state.

America is not a Christian Nation. It is a nation that happens to be inhabited by a majority of Christians. But it cannot serve only them.

Posted by: chrenson on March 11, 2010 at 8:15 PM | PERMALINK

I am a United Methodist. Methodism is usually a very open-minded religion which strongly focuses on social justice. However, my church is located in the DC suburbs and many of our members are military or retired military, so the church is rather conservative. There are some big FOX fans in our congregation. I'm wondering if these people are finally getting a clue. I'm sure their heads are exploding.

Posted by: pol on March 11, 2010 at 10:59 PM | PERMALINK

"Yes, and only in your country can such a deranged and dangerous idiot make over 50 million a year."

Sorry, blue, and I don't know where you're from, but there are countries in which deranged and dangerous idiots not only make millions but have KILLED millions.

I'm not defending Beck, I'm just saying he's a nit compared to Pol Pot, Hitler, Idi Amin, Kim Jung Il, Pinochet ...

Posted by: Cal Gal on March 12, 2010 at 1:46 AM | PERMALINK

Jon had a point at 1:42 re the word "social."

Just waiting for Beck to start a campaign against teaching "social studies" in school and ice cream "socials." Of course "social" workers need to get permanently put out of work.

Posted by: Sarah Barracuda on March 12, 2010 at 1:50 AM | PERMALINK

JWK said "As crazy as Masa might be, it sure seemed as though Beck got punked in that interview."

And who among us thought a few days ago that Beck could EVER get punked on crazy.

Posted by: Sarah Barracuda on March 12, 2010 at 1:53 AM | PERMALINK

I'm not defending Beck, I'm just saying he's a nit compared to Pol Pot, Hitler, Idi Amin, Kim Jung Il, Pinochet ...
Posted by: Cal Gal

but what fun is putting things in perspective?

Posted by: mudwall jackson on March 12, 2010 at 4:26 AM | PERMALINK

I am a Kingdom of God, New Creation, People of God, Resurrection, Eschatological Christian.

That's all well and good, but we can't take seriously anything you say until you tell us if you're pre-mill or post-mill.

Posted by: Jeffrey Kramer on March 12, 2010 at 8:01 AM | PERMALINK

Did you people actually listen to what he said?

Beck is 100% correct on this!

Christians are called upon to help, to do charitable acts, NOT to take other people's money and give it to those they see in need. NOT even to collectively pool their resources and dole out aid.

Read the Bible and it's clear on this. You reap what you sow, do not place pearls before swine, and so on.

The personal act of charity is powerful, it creates a sense of Hope and Love for both sides. By diluting it and making it a wholesale assumptive handout, it loses all meaning.

When's the last time someone looked at their welfare check and thought, "They really did sacrifice to help me, I'm grateful. I have faith in humanity"? Never. It doesn't happen, instead they think, "this isn't enough".

When's the last time someone looked at their paycheck and thought when they saw the taxes, "I'm really helping out my fellow man, I'm doing God's work. I'm making a difference"? Never. It doesn't happen either.

Posted by: Robert Kruger on March 12, 2010 at 11:12 AM | PERMALINK

I guess we'd better listen to Robert Kruger, as he's apparently omniscient.

Posted by: Jon on March 12, 2010 at 11:18 AM | PERMALINK

"Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society." - Oliver Wendell Holmes.

Sometimes. It does happen. Granted, Oliver Wendell Holmes was much smarter than your average conservative.

Posted by: Jon on March 12, 2010 at 11:25 AM | PERMALINK

Wow, what an amazing rebuttal Jon. Name calling and a comment that illustrates why one pays taxes, completely irrelevant to the issue.

Non-sequitur responses, gotta love em.

Posted by: Robert Kruger on March 12, 2010 at 4:40 PM | PERMALINK

It always saddens me to see a "Child Left Behind" - all grown up. Glenn Beck would be a text book case. A year ago on his unintentionally uproarious FOX Noise program, Beck told his television audience:

"First they came for the bankers, and I did not speak up because I was not a banker. Then they came for the A.I.G. executives, and I did not speak up because I was not an A.I.G executive."

He then looked the camera dead in the eye and ominously told his clueless viewers that eventually "they" (He never specified exactly who "they" were) would be coming for them. It was a gross perversion of the famous Martin Niemoller poem. It was a none-too-subtle effort to compare the Obama Justice Department's prosecution of corporate criminals to Hitler's persecution of the Jews seventy years ago. Nice.

Glenn Beck is an idiot. The fact that he has such a huge audience is all the proof you need to make a case for the jaw-dropping stupidity of so many Americans. It's kind of funny, really.

http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

Posted by: Tom Degan on March 13, 2010 at 11:54 AM | PERMALINK

Marxism sees the person to be a function of society dependent on social context. So, they reject the religious claim that each person is endowed with dignity from his or her relation to God. Marxists think this alienates the person from his or her true nature. And that the church's existence demonstrates the continuing presence of alienation in the social system that ought to vanish after the socialist revolution.

The Christian view of personalism would conclude that Marxism's theory of the individual as exclusively social would alienate the individual from the essential center of his or her human life - from God. And this would deprive persons of autonomy and human dignity.

The Marxist view of human nature unfolds as social history in the process of human self-creation. Christianity sees this proposal as an attempt to separate humanity from divine providence by setting the creation above the Creator. also, the Marxist view of human nature is too optimistic because it fails to recognize the problem of sin as pride.

Also, Marxist thought is closely linked with the anthropology fundamental to its social theory. And, Marxist economic descriptions are tainted with atheist implications.

But, liberation theologians claim that they can use Marxist categories to identify their nations' sociopolitical order without giving up their Christian commitment.

However, Christians who use Marxist categories to evaluate contemporary societies need to address the problems in Marxist philosophical anthropology and be on guard against unholy alliances with such systems.

Some say the economic theory of Marxism is an unscientific oversimplification of complex realities and that labor is not the only source of economic value in the current technological age especially. So the question of economic and social justice is far more complex than Marxists postulate. And, Marxism is not ideologically neutral. It is not an analytic instrument or scientific as liberation theologians claim. The Marxist claim for the demise of the middle class has not proven to be true.

But Marxism is appealing to Western and Third World intellectuals - probably because the system gives moral value to political involvement in the class struggle. However, it does seem that this movement produces victims of the seductive power of an ideology.

We must admit though, that some mix of capitalism and socialism is found in nearly all industrialized nations. A cautionary word is good for those who tend to become too quickly and uncritically enamored of a system with significant flaws that are often overlooked.

Finally, The Kingdom of God, is rightfully the church's message, and not that of those who would not submit to the sovereign King. "Jesus is Lord and Caesar or...is not" Christians need to hold on to this vision. They need to remember that with the resurrection of Jesus, the Kingdom of God was inaugurated on earth. They must begin to implement it. They need to "conduct the Symphony that he has written" until he returns

Posted by: aware on March 14, 2010 at 12:18 AM | PERMALINK

In answer to your question Jeffrey Kramer,

Amillennial Realism - Ultimate Hope

"It lifts our sights above the merely historical future to the realm of the eternal God. It reminds us that the kingdom of God is a transcendent reality which can be confused with no earthly kingdom prior to the final transformation of creation." - Grenze: "Theology for the Community of God"

Posted by: aware on March 14, 2010 at 12:41 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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