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March 19, 2010

BROUN EQUATES HEALTH REFORM WITH 'YANKEE AGGRESSION'.... When looking for members of Congress who are likely to make unhinged, borderline-disturbed remarks, we tend to rely on folks like Reps. Steve King (R-Iowa) and Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.). But pound for pound, word for word, Rep. Paul Broun (R) of Georgia has to be considered a #1 seed in this competition.

It was Broun, for example, who said not long ago that President Obama reminds him of Hitler and that the Democratic president might establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist dictatorship on Americans. More recently he insisted that if health care reform became law, the government would dictate what kind of car Americans could drive.

Last night, Broun was in rare form, appearing on the House floor and talking about health care reform in the context of the Civil War: "If ObamaCare passes, that free insurance card that's in people's pockets is gonna be as worthless as a Confederate dollar after the War Between The States -- the Great War of Yankee Aggression."

Now, as far as I can tell, Broun is pretty deranged, so there's probably not much point in dwelling on his "arguments," such as they are. But in case there are any lingering doubts about the specifics of the legislation, there's no provision mandating a "free insurance card."

But it's the Civil War reference that rankles here. References to "Yankee Aggression" in the 21st century are awkward enough, but using this language in the context of the health care debate is especially problematic.

As Lee Fang noted, "Rather than simply distort the legislation by lying about how much it costs or how it will affect people, the right has tried to build opposition to health reform using racial, militant rhetoric.... Broun's analogy between health reform and a 'Great War of Yankee Aggression' might take the cake for its coded racism, historical revisionism, and outright level of detachment from reality."

As an aside, let's also note that if Republicans reclaim the House majority next year, Paul Broun and his creative intellect will be the chairman of the House Science Committee's panel on investigations and oversight. Just thought I'd mention it.

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They're still not over getting their asses kicked in the 1860s?

Time to shake if off. Seriously.

Posted by: UncommonSense on March 19, 2010 at 12:37 PM | PERMALINK

The employment of over the top rhetoric serves our democracy poorly!

Political agents who resort to such rhetoric as that uttered by Brown and his like minded myopic mob disqualifies him and them from sitting at the table of civil debate, let alone continuing to "serve" in the very institutions of democracy he and they are decrying!

All these elected malcontents should show us the decency of resigning their elected positions so they may return home and begin the revolution they have kept threatening us with for the past year now! Either that, or just STFU! -Kevo

Posted by: kevo on March 19, 2010 at 12:40 PM | PERMALINK

Looking back from this current vantage point, it's becoming more and more obvious that OUR biggest mistake was not allowing them to secede. . .

Posted by: DAY on March 19, 2010 at 12:40 PM | PERMALINK

remind me again why we fought a war to get these bozos back.

Posted by: mellowjohn on March 19, 2010 at 12:44 PM | PERMALINK

So much for the party of Lincoln...

Posted by: ScottW714 on March 19, 2010 at 12:47 PM | PERMALINK

Obama approval in South: 35% or less
Obama approval in Northeast: 72%

Obama approval outside of South: 61%

any questions?

Posted by: catclub on March 19, 2010 at 12:47 PM | PERMALINK

No, our biggest mistake wasn't failure to let them secede. Our biggest mistake was to go soft after the Civil War, failing to confiscate all the rebel plantations and redistribute the land to the freedmen. We also ended the occupation far too early--by 1877 (thanks to a corrupt deal arising out of the disputed presidential election). We should have continued occupying Dixie until, say, 1945 or thereabouts, giving us time to bring that benighted backwater up to national standards. Maybe if we'd stuck with the job, we wouldn't have to worry about the likes of Broun ever getting into a position of national prominnce.

Finish the Great War of Yankee Aggression! Dump the bones of Jeff Davis and Robert E. Lee into the ocean.

Posted by: JM917 on March 19, 2010 at 12:50 PM | PERMALINK

Let's have a little sympathy. It's hard being unreconstructed these days; nitpicky PC types are all over the place. Broun is a busy man and now he was forced to write a little speech about Yankee aggression when it would have been simpler and hugely time-saving to yell, "Don't give the nigger a political victory!" But you just can't do that any more, thanks to the liberal thought police.

Posted by: shortstop on March 19, 2010 at 12:50 PM | PERMALINK

"but it's awfully close."

Awfully close to WHAT. This sentence makes no sense.

Posted by: Vondo on March 19, 2010 at 12:54 PM | PERMALINK

I think you may be taking him a little too seriously, if you watch the clip there is a sly smile at the end. I think he was being funny.
there are so many examples of right wing craziness, but these particular words may not have been part of his larger craziness.

Posted by: Johnny Canuck on March 19, 2010 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

Usually civil wars end with mass trials followed by mass executions. I got to give America credit for not resorting to violent justice for the sake of national unity, but if it did end that way it would have been entirely, entirely justified.

Especially considered the war's carnage, and the fact the few peoples have ever fought for a worse cause then the confederacy did.

Posted by: Archon on March 19, 2010 at 1:01 PM | PERMALINK

For what it's worth, I don't see his statement as being a comparison between healthcare reform and the Civil War. I just don't see that in the text. Obviously, he is going out of his way here to bring that up, but I think this is just a southerner being a southerner: that is, a sick jerk who can't admit that the sole act of gallantry of his back-ward home-land was in defense of a moral abomination. Thus, all the wankery about states rights and all that. It really is sasd how much people down there still think about the Civil War, and how not-very conflicted thay are about who was "right." So, this ain't to defend Rep. Broun, just to say that I do not see a deliberate comparison between the bill and the war here. Just more insight into the sick, southern mindset.

Posted by: Doug on March 19, 2010 at 1:02 PM | PERMALINK

The GOP employs the Southern Strategy for a reason -it works.

Posted by: RolloTomasi on March 19, 2010 at 1:06 PM | PERMALINK

It was bad enough freeing the slaves; now you want to give them health care! Lord-a-mighty!

Honestly, tho, I think "War of Northern Aggression" is just a cute little regional affectation any more.

Posted by: Jon on March 19, 2010 at 1:07 PM | PERMALINK

Free his slaves, burn his crops, torch his house, confiscate his women, and whip his cracker ass.

I write this with a sly smile on my mug.

Posted by: John Thullen on March 19, 2010 at 1:09 PM | PERMALINK

As a native Washingtonian in Georgia, I'm often amazed at the gap between policy and politics down here.

Up in DC, good policy is good politics.

I work a fair amount with the GA state gov't and know my share of GA legislators. Down here, policy is a formality to be handled by nerd underlings, cute bimbo interns and... Democrats. Politicians go around kissing babies and showing people their down-home street cred.

Another thing that amazed me moving here was how the civil war is alive and well in people's thinking. People here know a lot more about the war than people up north, and have much stronger opinions. For the most part, that's just cool and makes for interesting conversations.

But Broun wasn't talking to you or me when he went after "yankee aggression." Back in the 60s, that same meme was used to support "state's rights" i.e., southern segregation.

This is the home of the Dog Whistle tactic of group mobilization.

I'm just hoping they don't call the dogs for a lynch mob this time.

Posted by: itstrue on March 19, 2010 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

Fort Sumter

Posted by: FRP on March 19, 2010 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

One other thought: since living here, I've often wondered if the rest of America would have been better off if we'd just let them secede.

We could have saved a lot of bloodshed and social strife. Slavery might have ended on its own with industrialization.

We also wouldn't be subsidizing the South's chronically underfunded state budgets.

Posted by: itstrue on March 19, 2010 at 1:16 PM | PERMALINK

Yes, this is the final solution: all we have to do is let the cracker girls abort their Uncle Pa's incest babies and the southern whites become extinct in a couple generations.

Posted by: grant's tomb on March 19, 2010 at 1:16 PM | PERMALINK

RolloTomassi: The GOP employs the Southern Strategy for a reason -it works.

True, it used to work. They need a new act. I think they'll call their current one "The Aristocrats."

NB: as a child born in Atlanta during the early 60s, I can tell you that all this stuff depends on the family. I never heard the "war between the states" stuff at all in my liberal-leaning family.

Posted by: Rathskeller on March 19, 2010 at 1:16 PM | PERMALINK

grant's tomb: Yes, this is the final solution: all we have to do is let the cracker girls abort their Uncle Pa's incest babies and the southern whites become extinct in a couple generations.

Yuk, yuk. It's easy to create demons out of the other. No state is lost to complete ignorance, ever. Look, even in Texas, there were still Democrats voting in the 40 percentile range, much higher in certain counties.

Posted by: Rathskeller on March 19, 2010 at 1:19 PM | PERMALINK

Broun has long ago revealed himself as a leader of the Confederate Taliban.

Racism may be the historically-afflicted macro-schizophrenia of his tribe, but for generations these crackers have been notorious for their generic meanness and hatefulness.

Posted by: neill on March 19, 2010 at 1:19 PM | PERMALINK

This is what they do. They know what mental images and associations most anger their base, so they just say anything they disagree with are those things.

It's how you can get someone to hate something and not know anything about it.

It's how they can turn every Democratic candidate into Wavy Gravy come election time.

According to the National Journal, one of the most conservative members of the Republican Caucus is Ralph Hall, 900-year-old Congressman from Northeast Texas, who has served in Congress for decades. He switched parties and became a Republican in, I believe, 2004.

He was called a liberal in every campaign until he switched.

Republicans use marketing techniques perfectly and consistently, yet we seem to be surprised each time they grossly mischaracterize policies and policymakers.

They ain't stupid, they's smart. They are doing what works and works well, over and over again.

Posted by: Argle Bargle on March 19, 2010 at 1:20 PM | PERMALINK

Well, at least they're parsing the anti-liberal hate down into a more focused group.

Good thing I am hiding in AL so they can't find me...gotta go, someone's knocking on my door with a burning L.

Posted by: * on March 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM | PERMALINK

The Great War of Yankee Agression! Isn't that the war in which we shoved Abolition down their throats?

Posted by: Padre Mickey on March 19, 2010 at 1:30 PM | PERMALINK

The North lost the Civil War when the South surrendered.

Posted by: chrenson on March 19, 2010 at 1:33 PM | PERMALINK

I'll be sure and raise a toast to General Sherman this weekend.

Posted by: Jimmy Jazz on March 19, 2010 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINK

"One other thought: since living here, I've often wondered if the rest of America would have been better off if we'd just let them secede."

Lots of people back then entertained the same thoughts. And then the secessionists declared war on the U.S. by attacking Fort Sumpter. The union had little choice but to respond to this War of Southern Aggression.

"We could have saved a lot of bloodshed and social strife. Slavery might have ended on its own with industrialization."

The first? Possible. The second? Definitely not. The slave owners would simply have found other jobs for their slaves to do. The invention of Eli Witney's cotton gin proves that; after he made it, slavery in the South *expanded*, because they were able to use more manpower thanks to the gin's efficiency.

Posted by: Shade Tail on March 19, 2010 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

Having been born and raised in the South, allow me this chance to express my utter joy at now living in Minnesota.

The difference in general attitudes is stark. Oh, and Al Franken!!!

Posted by: terraformer on March 19, 2010 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK

I agree with you that Broun and his ilk do not deserve the time to consider their "arguments". However, as a person with a mental illness, I find it insulting that you use terms like "deranged", "loss touch with reality", and the old standard "crazy". I've seen crazy, and these clowns aren't crazy. They know what they are doing and should be held accountable for what they say. Equating their behavior with a metal illness gives them cover. Call them what they are: charlatans, bomb-throwers, side-show barkers, or simply lazy and dangerous. I enjoy your writing and will continue to, but don't disrespect real "crazy" people by grouping us with these goofs who's job (as they see it) is to pray on peoples fears for there own political gain.

Posted by: KMB on March 19, 2010 at 1:53 PM | PERMALINK

Broun, from the land of "God's Little Acre".

Posted by: Ted76 on March 19, 2010 at 2:00 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, and Al Franken!!!

There you go again! Look, pal, you think you're so hot; well, we've got Roland Bur...oh. Carry on.

Posted by: shortstop on March 19, 2010 at 2:04 PM | PERMALINK

I think a security force used to impose a Marxist dictatorship would be more "KGB-like" than "Gestapo-like", but that just could be me.

Posted by: 2Manchu on March 19, 2010 at 2:09 PM | PERMALINK

Fuck you cracker.

Posted by: SW on March 19, 2010 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe us Yankees should start calling the Civil War "The Victory Over Inbred Southern Ignoramuses."

Posted by: philonius on March 19, 2010 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

Yuk, yuk. It's easy to create demons out of the other.

Yeah really. Especially when inbreeding, xenophobia, and fanatical sects have trapped their unfit pale dumb race in an evolutionary dead end of remorseless Darwinian attrition that will consign them to penury, squalor and humiliating dependence on the educated people they fear most. It will be hilarious to watch them languishing and wasting in their global-warming dustbowl, begging nonexistent jesus for help and groveling to the advanced civilization of their Mexican overlords.

That's another great thing about crackers. They can dish it out but they can't take it. Tell em these hard cold facts and they'll get all, "Are you a Christian?" Manipulative little weasels.

Posted by: grant's tomb on March 19, 2010 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINK

i hear by propose that every remaining school named in honor of jefferson davis, president of the confederacy, officially be rechristened in honor of jefferson davis, the major general in the union army. he wasn't a great general; his relative obscurity earned honestly, but he was on the right side and it would drive the sons of of the confederacy types like broun crazy. oh wait. he already is crazy.

Posted by: mudwall jackson on March 19, 2010 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK

Grant's Tomb - I know this is the internet, you're anonymous, no one knows you're really a dog, etc., etc., but... do you realize how psychotic and alienated from humanity you sound when you write about real human beings like that? go post at 4chan or something.

The opposite of intolerance is not hoping for a genocidal plague on the people you find intolerant.

Posted by: Rathskeller on March 19, 2010 at 2:44 PM | PERMALINK

War of Yankee aggression?

Nah---a war of Yankee aggression would be for a few hundred friends and I to invade Broun's district, rip out all the railroad tracks, build bonfires from the ties, and turn the rails into pretzels.

A war of Yankee aggression would be for a few thousand friends and I to invade Broun's district, chop down all the telephone poles, build bonfires, and burn up all the wiring.

A war of Yankee aggression would be for a few tens of thousands of friends and I to invade Broun's district and steal all the highway signs, mailboxes, and parking meters---and sell the metal for scrap.

A war of Yankee aggression would be for a hundred thousand friends and I to invade Broun's district---and lay absolute waste to every last inch of it, from top to bottom, and making every last nightmarish lie invented by the inbred, semisynaptic spawn of Old Georgia to describe Mr. Sherman's "Waltz to Atlanta" appear a Sunday picnic in July.

Clearly, Broun hasn't the slightest frigging idea what "a war of Yankee aggression" really means---so he must be nothing more than a babbling ninnyhammer with his brain in a motorized wheelchair, with said brain being a few synaptic connections shy of being able to manage the joystick control on the damnable thing....

Posted by: S. Waybright on March 19, 2010 at 2:45 PM | PERMALINK

"that the sole act of gallantry of his back-ward home-land was in defense of a moral abomination."

Gallantry? WTF are you talking about? Everyone of those "gallant" Southerners were fighting simply for the right to rape black women. Robert E Lee very consciously chose treason and terrorism as his creed and first principles. "I feel it is my duty to support Satan and his minions against God and His angels because I live near those demons" is the most fallacious peace of crap ever spewed in defense of bald-faced cowardice and betrayal. The sole difference between OBL and REL is that the former is honest about his aims and the later was a sniveling little puke trying hard to cover clearly evident evil with the fig-leaf of parochialism. The greatest sin ever committed by the United States of America was not turning Sherman lose upon the entire South to execute traitors and burn their works and edifices to the ground - the most deserving place for a glass parking lot is the South, where treason is glaringly obvious as a genetic condition in need of "radiation treatment" to save the body politic of the United States of America.

Posted by: phalamir on March 19, 2010 at 2:56 PM | PERMALINK

loserville

Posted by: this dude's in on March 19, 2010 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK

"when you write about real human beings like that?"

They aren't real humans. Southerners love to talk about what constitutes a real human and what is a sub-human that can be freely enslaved. Well, any person with even one-drop of (white) Southern blood is a gene-traitor to the United States. Not one at any point in the history of the US has contributed even one iota to the betterment of the Union, while constantly whining that they should be treated as our overlords, allowed to prosper on the sweat of hard-working Americans while spewing vile hatred. We beat their pansy, treasonous asses once, and yet instead of taking the hint, all they do is whine all the louder, generation after generation. At this point it is obvious that they share a genetic deformity that expresses as treason and terrorism - America has a moral duty to burn the cancer from its midst to save the parts of the Union that actually serve a useful purpose.

Posted by: phalamir on March 19, 2010 at 3:03 PM | PERMALINK

It's not a plague, it's consequences, baby, Darwin in action, that thing they have so much trouble with, the reason why they get knocked up, divorced, abused, jailed, and shot so much. That's why they constantly lecture us about our defective morals, because they can't understand what makes them fuck up again and again.

What's with you, anyway, that you're such a delicate orchid of agape? You sound like some guy trying to get credit for going to the (titter, titter,teeheehee) 'University of the South' or something.

Posted by: grant's tomb on March 19, 2010 at 3:03 PM | PERMALINK

That's another thing funny thing about crackers, they really object to the human-rights restrictions on hate speech.

Posted by: grant's tomb on March 19, 2010 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, is this Broun guy referring to that police action in the 1860s when we put down the Slaveholder Rebellion?

Posted by: Cap'n Chucky on March 19, 2010 at 3:10 PM | PERMALINK

This is a losing strategy for the GOP. Being tied so closely to the South will not work. This is double plus true as parts of the South stop being the South (VA,FL now; MS,TX later)
GOP FAIL

Posted by: Northern Observer on March 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINK

Grant's Tomb, phalamir - to boil your point down to its idiotic essence, you would like to deny the humanity of people because they have opinions you dislike -- even if, to do so, you also have to paint whole groups of people with the same brush. This makes you exactly equivalent to Broun, not better or worse, but exactly equivalent.

In short, you're hateful morons who can't follow logic, not even your own. Consider reading a book.

Posted by: Rathskeller on March 19, 2010 at 3:22 PM | PERMALINK

I guess we figured out where you grew up, huh?

Posted by: grant's tomb on March 19, 2010 at 3:43 PM | PERMALINK

actually, i took the "that free insurance card that's in people's pockets" comment as broun describing the cards insurance companies issue...you know, the ones people pay for...wonder what makes him think they're "free" ...

maybe he's talking about medicare and medicade cards "becoming worthless".. i suppose you could describe THEM as "free" as long as you forget about all the money you've paid into the system

Posted by: dj spellchecka on March 19, 2010 at 3:47 PM | PERMALINK

[Minnesota]
The difference in general attitudes is stark. Oh, and Al Franken!!!

Minnesota? You mean the state that elected Michele Bachmann to a position of power?

Posted by: Pee Cee on March 19, 2010 at 4:40 PM | PERMALINK

Grant's Tomb - oh, look, a deduction. kudos. if you look earlier in this same thread, you will see where I said that I was born in Atlanta. The real point, which stubbornly eludes you, is that people are individuals, and judging them by race is just as stupid as judging them by where they were born, their religion, gender, or any other group attribute.

What Broun said was stupid, even if deliberately provocative and sly. What you said was actually crazy.

Posted by: Rathskeller on March 19, 2010 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK

Pee Cee

Bachmann is elected by ONE of Minnesota's EIGHT districts.

Posted by: Mike H on March 19, 2010 at 4:57 PM | PERMALINK

I believe that in objective reality, the aggression was on the part of the South. Does Ft. Sumter ring a bell?

Posted by: Leisureguy on March 19, 2010 at 4:59 PM | PERMALINK

Upon reviewing this response thread, I noticed that Grant's Tomb seems to be a hater, plain and simple! -Kevo

Posted by: kevo on March 19, 2010 at 5:03 PM | PERMALINK

Well, you can't help it if you were born there but if your parents are too poor or dumb to ship you out before the culture seeps in you're pretty much screwed. Like, for some reason it irks you to hear that the south, statistically, has lots of social pathologies and authoritarian taboos that make it unable to compete, economically - except in the way that third-world autocracies compete, by exploiting their powerless masses. That means most of you will be getting poorer and poorer - except the parasitic upper crust, which will be in real estate or payday loans or some predatory crap like that, until the ruin probability catches up with them. Your cultural blinders make that sound crazy, I know.

Posted by: grant's tomb on March 19, 2010 at 5:13 PM | PERMALINK

I don't care if health care passes, but since I can't stand republican tactics I want it to pass. Absent any moral judgment on the war though or its ends, the senator is still right. It was a war of yankee aggression. It was unconstitutional and purely hegemonic in nature. The proper solution would have been to fight the war to free the slaves and then allow the south to remain independent, because people have the right to self-determination.

Posted by: ADP on March 19, 2010 at 5:35 PM | PERMALINK

grant's tomb - I have no problem at all with criticisms of the south. I have problems with paragraphs like this:

Especially when inbreeding, xenophobia, and fanatical sects have trapped their unfit pale dumb race in an evolutionary dead end of remorseless Darwinian attrition that will consign them to penury, squalor and humiliating dependence on the educated people they fear most. It will be hilarious to watch them languishing and wasting in their global-warming dustbowl, begging nonexistent jesus for help and groveling to the advanced civilization of their Mexican overlords.

You seem to think you're superior in some fashion, you even in bring in Darwin; but you've given absolutely no evidence of being superior to anyone. Not least, in that you somehow equate the entire south with religious white people that you think would be "hilarious" to watch them suffer. But in fact states like Georgia are about 40% black and hispanic, groups that seems to elude your thinking altogether, as you chuckle over some bizarre Doomsday scenario for people you find inferior. You don't seem to understand that there are people in the south who are not white, not religious, and who are not conservative. You don't seem to be willing to grapple with complexities, but you're happy to throw around labels to entire groups.

You write as if you've gotten the idea that you're on a winning, genetically superior team, that that advantage comes from being born in the North, and that people in the South are automatically inferior, stupid, religious, and white. Your words speak for themselves in their total self-contradiction and ridiculousness. I just wish I could get you to consider the full implications of your own thoughts.

Posted by: Rathskeller on March 19, 2010 at 5:38 PM | PERMALINK

Of course outward-looking civilizations have established little enclaves or beachheads in the South, whether Hispanic, yankee or even international - but the response of Southern culture is to encyst them like infections ("put a fence around it," in the Jesse Helms mot), or to flee and regroup, often in racially-cleansed areas (like Forsyth County!) If you stray outside your enclave you will know it. People who can leave will leave, and if oppressed racial castes remain, that is no reason to cut the pathological culture any slack.

Posted by: grant's tomb on March 19, 2010 at 6:36 PM | PERMALINK

I'd love to show him some Northern Aggression! Unfortunately this Yankee has to now live in Virginia. People here don't like it when I say Robert E Lee was a traitor! Go figure!!

Posted by: mishanti on March 19, 2010 at 8:27 PM | PERMALINK

"People here don't like it when I say Robert E Lee was a traitor!"

With good reason. You sound ignorant, self-righteous, and rather rude when you say that. It's like pronouncing that your host's grandfather was a bastard as you sit at his table eating his food.

But perhaps you migrated from one of the many states that are entirely a creation of the U.S., before you found yourself here in a state that long pre-existed and itself largely created the U.S. In which case you may, perhaps, plead ignorance as a defense when you offend.

Posted by: Jon on March 20, 2010 at 12:19 AM | PERMALINK

Perhaps it's time to reconsider the results of the Civil War and let the South go. Well, no point in that -- the North can produce its own lunatics: Sarah Palin comes from farther North than any other national politician in our history. So maybe we should disenfranchise towns whose population is less than 20,000, as being incubators of provincialism, small-mindedness, and paranoia. But Lincoln came from the utter boondocks. Maybe we should just consider that -- we'll just have to keep speaking up for sanity and decency. Sisyphus, can you give us a little room?

Posted by: Jesse Fell on March 20, 2010 at 12:25 AM | PERMALINK

If we could take a step back from all the xenophobia, could we address what Broun actually said for a minute? I disagree with Steve's reading that the "free insurance card" is something that will be distributed under ObamaCare.

I maintain that the man honest-to-god believes that all Americans are now, like he is, walking around with free insurance in their pockets.

Posted by: Suzii on March 20, 2010 at 1:13 AM | PERMALINK

Does grant's tomb even know where the University of the South is located, without consulting Google?

Posted by: John in Nashville on March 20, 2010 at 4:32 AM | PERMALINK

Nobody knows where the University of the South is except for the petit bourgeois goobers who went there and somehow manage to be all proud of it. Everybody else just vaguely thinks they remember it from some advertisement on a matchbook.

Posted by: grant's tomb on March 20, 2010 at 12:22 PM | PERMALINK

Rathskeller,

I am astonished you treat with these folks. I can't recall having seen such raw bigotry as spewed by Phalamir and grant's tomb. For my money, they are as bad as the worst of the people they decry. Ironic, isn't it?

Of course, out here in the West, we tend to think of it as "the little dust-up those parochial easterners got messed up in."

Of course, I'd be perfectly happy to let the south go, if it meant the back of Lott, Armey, Bush, Broun and the rest of their merry band. Without the south, we'd have solved a lot of the social problems we face a long time ago. I'd feel bad for the good people in the south, but I imagine they could get green cards if they really wanted.

Posted by: Enhydra on March 21, 2010 at 1:47 AM | PERMALINK

And... recently one of these Johnny Reb politicians proposed legislation to replace Pres. Grant on the $50 bill with Pres. Reagan! They resent Grant, because as the commanding general of Union forces he kicked major terrorist ass. (Gen. Sherman also made a good showing, imho).

Posted by: Skydaddy on March 21, 2010 at 9:08 AM | PERMALINK

As I've said before, and in comments on this site: I'm a native southerner, I abominate the false history and identity politics of the the old South, and will fight to the death (as an artist, a parent, a gay man) to keep erring Georgia in the Union.
I've worked some in Democratic politics down here, and it's screwed up. The hold of the extreme right is strong, and I've come to think is a function of the land development culture that has been the royal road to wealth in Georgia (y'all might have noticed all the banks that have gone down in the state..), allied to the culture of resentment (racial, historical, religious, antimodern).
Rathskeller, you make the bigots stronger with your (perhaps justified) scorn and blanket condemnation. They live for your hatred.
Ever hear of a guy called Martin Luther King?

Posted by: MR Bill on March 21, 2010 at 10:16 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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