March 20, 2010
DIFFERENT SIDES OF HISTORY.... When we get past disputes over legislative procedures and individual provisions, it's hard not to appreciate the historic significance of the pending health care reform legislation.
I was thinking about something I saw in the MoveOn.org ad this week. "Throughout history, America has been blessed with heroic leaders -- individuals who helped us to navigate between right and wrong," the spot says. "We need our leaders to fight for what's right. Call Congress today and ask them: Which side of history will you be on?"
Today, confused right-wing activists descended on Capitol Hill to express their hatred for health reform and its proponents. They didn't leave much doubt as to what side of history they're on.
Rep. Andre Carson (D-Ind.) claimed Saturday that healthcare protesters at the Capitol directed racial epithets at him and Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) as they walked outside.
Carson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus along with Lewis, told The Hill that protesters called the lawmakers the N-word. [...]
Lewis was one of the leaders of the civil rights movement alongside Martin Luther King. Jr. Asked if racial epithets were yelled at him, Lewis responded, "Yes, but it's OK. I've heard this before in the '60s. A lot of this is just downright hate."
And this.
Abusive, derogatory and even racist behavior directed at House Democrats by Tea Party protesters on Saturday left several lawmakers in shock. [...]
A staffer for Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.) told reporters that Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-M.D.) had been spit on by a protestor.
And this.
...Rep. Barney Frank got an uglier version of the treatment. Just after Frank rounded a corner to leave the building, an older protestor yelled "Barney, you faggot." The surrounding crowd of protestors then erupted in laughter.
And this.
ThinkProgress attended today's rally and spotted a sign threatening violence if health care passes. The sign reads: "Warning: If Brown can't stop it, a Browning can," referring to Sen. Scott Brown (R-MA) and a Browning firearm.
Can there be any doubt as to what side of history these right-wing activists are on?
—Steve Benen 5:35 PM
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Can there be any doubt that these piles of hissing hemorrhoids, beyond the fact that they could not be more stupid if they tried, are simply EVIL ? The problem with evil ignorance is that it actually thinks it's intelligent. And therein lies the problem ... can someone, anyone, simply find a giant tube of PREPARATION H and put in LIBERALLY all over these evil hissing hemorrhoid's ........
Posted by: stormskies on March 20, 2010 at 5:39 PM | PERMALINK
Don't forget the brick that reduced Rep. Slaughter's window to kristall last nacht.
Posted by: MikeJ on March 20, 2010 at 5:41 PM | PERMALINK
"Warning: If Brown can't stop it, a Browning can."
I guess the brownshirts were out in force.
Posted by: low-tech cyclist on March 20, 2010 at 5:44 PM | PERMALINK
I keep seeing Margaret Hamilton collapsing in a pile, screeching, "I'm meeeeeeeeelting!!!!!!"
Posted by: shortstop on March 20, 2010 at 5:48 PM | PERMALINK
How long before the teabaggers claim the perpetrators were ACORN and Union Thug plants?
5...4...3...
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Posted by: spork_incident on March 20, 2010 at 5:50 PM | PERMALINK
One would like to think that the more asinine and stupid the teabaggers get the more they will discredit themselves among the more reasonable. However, their racist, homophobic, reactionary behavior is precisely what the corporate MSM adores, and it will be sold as somehow the representation of a broader cross section of people than it is. That, of course, does give permission to more of the stupid to act out their infantile impulses in dangerous ways.
What a fact to show the world. It would seem that media executives would have greater concern for our image abroad, if nothing else, than to give any platform to these dangerous dolts.
Posted by: rrrk1 on March 20, 2010 at 5:56 PM | PERMALINK
Yeah, and things could get ugly here and there; it's a shameful situation reminiscent of the mid 60s.
For comparison, see my comment here
Posted by: neil b, on March 20, 2010 at 6:03 PM | PERMALINK
Any of the "news" media reporting on this, or will we have to wait for Rachel, Keith and Ed on Monday?
Posted by: hells littlest angel on March 20, 2010 at 6:07 PM | PERMALINK
"Warning: If Brown can't stop it, a Browning can."
The right wing MSM does indeed love to sell this as broader than it really is. And yet when one of their ilk follows through and actually shoots someone, all of a sudden it is a lone crazy who is unaffiliated with any organization.
The Teabaggers need to have this hung around their necks until it rots. Let's hope that a metaphorical albatross is the only thing killed.
Posted by: jcricket on March 20, 2010 at 6:08 PM | PERMALINK
IS THERE NOT ONE FUCKING REPUBLICAN WITH ANY SHAME who, oh, I don't know, COME OUT AND CONDEMN THIS BEHAVIOR?
Posted by: rob on March 20, 2010 at 6:10 PM | PERMALINK
Rep. Cleaver is actually from Missouri.
Posted by: bobby on March 20, 2010 at 6:11 PM | PERMALINK
I am a repub/libertarian and I condemn the racist, idiotic comments and behavior of the extremists. Remember though that there are extremist on both sides.
A question for all; can making someone, under penalty of law, buy health insurance be constitutional?
If this is good law, then why are 38 states preparing to sue the federal gov. over it?
Posted by: doc on March 20, 2010 at 6:33 PM | PERMALINK
"Can there be any doubt as to what side of history these right-wing activists are on?"
None. They are Republican-and proud of it.
Posted by: Mark-NC on March 20, 2010 at 6:34 PM | PERMALINK
Surely nobody can be surprised at the fascist behavior of the RightWing ?
Posted by: Joe Friday on March 20, 2010 at 6:38 PM | PERMALINK
@doc: Remember though that there are extremist on both sides.
Please provide some examples of health care reform supporters threatening violence if the bill does not pass.
Posted by: AK Liberal on March 20, 2010 at 6:41 PM | PERMALINK
Massachusetts has the same law all nice and here and now . As far as I know a rich person can sue till the well runs dry , or daddy says , son ... If you like the way things are you should fight to keep American workers impoverished for a few fat cats . Please remember who fights when irritable aristocrats mental misfit children get all up in their oedipal mood swings . When the bottle just doesn't carry the juice , the rich boys kill Mexicans , or attack Iraq .
Posted by: FRP on March 20, 2010 at 6:54 PM | PERMALINK
Well, let's itemize the sides again:
A. Support or oppose the bill.
B. Don't care because the insurance companies win either way. (It's like letting the president be the Decider. If you're careful in selecting the choices, the actual decision doesn't matter.)
I'd say they're on side A.
The important question for the congressperson, as Dennis Kucinich understood, is "Which vote will lose me my seat, and will the party find me a new job if I cast that vote?"
Posted by: Forrest on March 20, 2010 at 6:59 PM | PERMALINK
"If this is good law, then why are 38 states preparing to sue the federal gov. over it?"
shouldn't this read "then why are republican officials in 38 states preparing to piss away their states' money trying to sue the federal gov. over it?"
Posted by: mellowjohn on March 20, 2010 at 7:03 PM | PERMALINK
I am so sorry to see these people in the name of "free speech" abuse and distort the motives of those who will vote for this law. I am over sixty and a childhood asthmatic married to an insulin dependent diabetic. I have lived this nightmare for most of my life, and have hoped and prayed for this moment. We will both probably hit medicare before the law can help us personally, but we do have children and grandchildren. These lawmakers, though the bill is not fully what anyone of us wanted, have given us a good start.
Posted by: Gracious on March 20, 2010 at 7:03 PM | PERMALINK
I am a repub/libertarian and I condemn the racist, idiotic comments and behavior of the extremists. Remember though that there are extremist on both sides.
I meant an elected official. So far, total silence.
A question for all; can making someone, under penalty of law, buy health insurance be constitutional?
Oh, if only there was already another example of mandatory private insurance...oh wait, there is: car insurance.
Posted by: rob on March 20, 2010 at 7:06 PM | PERMALINK
The bright side is that these loud-mouthed cretins represent about 25% of the population.
The bad side is that they represent about 25% of the population.
I really think a large part of their anger is the final realization of that. Think about it - for forty years they've been hoodwinked by the Republican Party; none of their cherished dreams have been enacted into law. The closest was the passage of DoMA and it will bite the dust with DADT.
What I find most interesting is that THESE are the people that the Republicans are hoping to use to regain power in November, 2010!
And they call liberals "dreamers"...
Posted by: Doug on March 20, 2010 at 7:06 PM | PERMALINK
Boehner said today:
"We are 24 hours from Armadeddon".
Idiot.
Posted by: Joe Friday on March 20, 2010 at 7:07 PM | PERMALINK
Remember the thugs at the health care rallies last fall? They'll be back this fall, be prepared.
Posted by: kurt on March 20, 2010 at 7:08 PM | PERMALINK
They are a minority. They don't know what they're talking about. When questioned they don't even know what is in the bill, are low information and misinformed haters of dems., filled with mis guided anger and led on by a right wing megaphone known as the MSM. They have no plans or policies and are better known as thugs and bullies rather than activists.
Any congress person who would have somebody like these groups voting for them should be ashamed yet the right caters to their madness. They are incapable of tolerating majority rule and threaten violence when they don't get their way. Too stupid to see what is good for the people of this nation or to even care they are so filled with hate. There is no negotiating with them for they have lost the ability for critical thinking or discerning truth. Filled with lies and wrong on everything they have become an insult to democracy and deserve our scorn. A "Browning" is gonna fix congress...imagine the personality and the mind to even conceive such stupidity.
The question id not which side of history you're on with these people. It's more which side of sanity are you on?...and the answer is rather obvious.
Posted by: bjobotts on March 20, 2010 at 7:09 PM | PERMALINK
can making someone, under penalty of law, buy health insurance be constitutional?
Homeowners insurance is mandatory in a number of states. Even if you rent, the owner has to pay it. Auto insurance is mandatory in every state. Have those laws been challenged on a Constitutional basis?
Posted by: Mustang Bobby on March 20, 2010 at 7:10 PM | PERMALINK
I'm a health care reform supporter.
I can think of two venues in which there would have been certain violence from me and lots of other people if I had been present and the "N" word had been uttered by these Republican anti-American scum .. or if that anti-American filth Republican jackass had thrown dollar bills at the Parkinson's Disease sufferer the other day.... or if a Republican coward was carrying a sign threatening imminent violence .......
.... any amateur sporting event ... and any bar.
I'll add a third .... at these demonstrations.
The Republican Party is a bullying, zombie psychopath destroying the country.
Bullies need to have the shit kicked out of them.
That they weren't confronted -- violently -- guarantees this behavior will continue.
Are you people telling me you wouldn't have confronted these sub-human fucks had you been there?
And that if they had responded with violence you wouldn't have tried your best to hurt them?
The guy I want a piece of is Dick Armey.
Grover Norquist is up next.
If I live through that, making Glenn Beck a little less telegenic would be gratifying.
Now, if healthcare reform does not pass, why shouldn't supporters began acting exactly like the Tea Party, white trash, fascist thugs the Republican has fronted to stop reform: disrupt public meetings -- carry signs threatening to water the tree of liberty with their shit blood -- whatever it takes.
The modern Republican Party will not learn its lesson until it -- like Mussolini -- is hung upside down and gutted like the pig it is.
Posted by: John Thullen on March 20, 2010 at 7:12 PM | PERMALINK
They are just a lynch mob, pure and simple. It is a national disgrace that nobody in the Republican party is condemning this.
Posted by: Squeaky McCrinkle on March 20, 2010 at 7:16 PM | PERMALINK
WTF?
Protesting is as American as apple pie, but this shit is indefensible.
The racist bullshit that is percolating to the top is unacceptable.
I hate saying this, but I am ready for these crazy fucktards to start their 'revolution'.
signed,
A left-winger who is prepared.
peace
Posted by: vermontdave on March 20, 2010 at 7:41 PM | PERMALINK
"...shouldn't this read 'then why are republican officials in 38 states preparing to piss away their states' money trying to sue the federal gov. over it?'" : mellowjohn
Aren't GOPers supposed to be opposed to frivolous lawsuits?
Posted by: 2Manchu on March 20, 2010 at 7:44 PM | PERMALINK
@ hells littlest angel
Any of the "news" media reporting on this, or will we have to wait for Rachel, Keith and Ed on Monday?
ABC reported tonight on World News that the Capitol Police had identified and detained the person who spit on Rep. Cleaver.
They also reported, unfortunately, that he has chosen not to press charges. Too bad. Its simple assault (a felony) open and shut.
Who runs the Capitol Cops, anyway? They should have cleared this a-hole rabble out as soon as the shouting started.
Posted by: efgoldman on March 20, 2010 at 7:46 PM | PERMALINK
Please, these are not 'right-wing activists' -- these are 'Fox-news activists'!
That's the organizing factor here and we might as well give credit where credit is due.
Posted by: leo on March 20, 2010 at 7:49 PM | PERMALINK
A very wise Muslim Imam (originally from Africa) I heard speak a few years ago told the story of a drunk he was helping to his feet. As the imam helped the drunk man walk, the drunk called the imam the "n word" (not angrily) and asked if it bothered the imam. The wise imam replied no, because that is not what he called himself. I imagine the legislators noted here have developed a pretty thick skin and of course don't worry about being called names. They know to rise above it and ignore it.
Unlike a certain former AK governor. Sorry, I had to get that dig in.
Posted by: Hannah on March 20, 2010 at 7:56 PM | PERMALINK
Doc and others, just REM:
1. First, just aside from car insurance (a State requirement, maybe that having some implications), we already have to "buy health insurance" in the sense that we are taxed for Medicare, and it is just provided to anyone over 65. No one has mounted a credible COTUS challenge in all these years. But that of course is the horrible "government health care" for real, that most seniors seem to like well enough anyway (including most of the asshole type old coot teabaggers griping about it all - what they really hate is paying taxes to help the uninsured, they don't care about the principle or they'd protest Medicare etc.)
2. If Medicare or similar (like "public option") had been expanded and offered as buy-in to anyone of any age *instead of* requiring purchase from PHI companies, then we'd be at stage #1 and not even having this conversation. Who is most responsible for shooting down the PO? Blame Rebaglickins, not most Dems for that.
But maybe we shouldn't have to buy *private* insurance, and the right-wing and left-wing critics have a point. (And no contradiction, since RW can oppose "on principle" and LW can oppose "since the result might suck." I know, it would have been hard to pass a really good bill with strong PO (?) but we still shouldn't pretend what we've really got is fab just because that's what realistically could get passed.
Posted by: Neil B on March 20, 2010 at 8:06 PM | PERMALINK
"Warning: If Brown can't stop it, a Browning can."
I guess the brownshirts were out in force.
Posted by: low-tech cyclist on March 20, 2010 at 5:44 PM
Worn with white hoods as accessories.
Posted by: exlibra on March 20, 2010 at 8:10 PM | PERMALINK
Josh Marshall makes the point that protesters were allowed *inside* the Longworth building, where many legislators have their offices. (Henry Waxman was also yelled at, called a liar and a crook; how funny considering the liberal blog "Crooks & Liars").
I hope that capitol police will provide more security tomorrow and not allow anyone but credentialed people inside any of the legislative offices, Capitol, or within a block radius outside, for that matter. And arrest anyone who even threatens violence.
Shame, shame, shame on R Congressmen who know better and yet continue to spew lies and fear. They have much to answer for.
Posted by: Hannah on March 20, 2010 at 8:28 PM | PERMALINK
Don't know where libertarian Doc got his figures of 38 states planning on suing over constitutionality, it was 3 as of last night. I haven't checked today but doubt it shot up by 35. Three is too many, don't get me wrong. I agree they are playing loose and fast with state money and plan on emailing our neanderthal in Va., not that he'll care.
Posted by: Kathryn on March 20, 2010 at 9:40 PM | PERMALINK
No question. This is good versus evil now. And nothing but.
Pass the bill.
Posted by: chrenson on March 20, 2010 at 11:35 PM | PERMALINK
Rob - car insurance is state, not Federal, and it is a requirement tied to exercising a privilege, that of operating a car. Every citizen does not have to have it. I'm in favor of passage but worry there is a constitutional problem. I'm sure we will find out.
Posted by: Eric Riback on March 21, 2010 at 12:24 AM | PERMALINK
Emanuel Cleaver is a Democratic Rep of Missouri not Marylarnd.... Just and FYI
Posted by: SCOTT Wilmarth on March 21, 2010 at 1:04 AM | PERMALINK
Reality doesn't matter. Facts don't matter. Democracy doesn't matter. Republicanism is now a religion, and these people are True Believers. Or, as they called us for eight years, useful idiots. There's no rational debate, no democratic process, and nothing that can reach them. The best we can do is to individually prepare for things to get much, much worse. If reform passes (and I do pray to God it will), expect riots in the streets. Build as much self-sufficiency and as strong of social networks as you can. If they take control in November, those will be all you can rely on.
Posted by: Six_of_One on March 21, 2010 at 1:21 AM | PERMALINK
The health care reform voting does not begin until mid-afternoon on Sunday and a few votes are still up for grabs. Following are the list of Congresspeople who we should keep calling to make sure that we win this historic victory on Sunday!
Brian Baird - Washington (Vancouver, Olympia) - (202) 225-3536
Paul Kanjorski - Pennsylvania (Wilkes-Barre, Scranton, Mount Pocono) - 202-225-6511
John Tanner - Tennessee (Union City, Jackson, Millington) - 202-225-4714
Earl Pomeroy - North Dakota (Bismarck, Fargo) - (202) 225-2611
Lincoln Davis - Tennessee (Columbia, Jamestown, Rockwood) - 202.225.6831
Marcy Kaptur - Ohio (Toledo) - (202) 225-4146
Mike Michaud - Maine (Bangor, Lewiston, Presque Isle, Waterville) - 202-225-6306
Bill Foster - Illinois (Batavia, Dixon, Geneseo) - (202) 225-2976
Kathy Dahlkemper - Pennsylvania (Erie) - (202) 225-5406
Chris Carney - Pennsylvania (Clarks Summit, Shamokin, Williamsport) - (202) 225-3731
Steve Driehaus - Ohio (Cincinnati) - (202) 225-2216
Stephen Lynch - Massachusetts (Brockton, Boston) - 202-225-8273
Rick Boucher - Virginia (Abingdon, Pulaski, Big Stone Gap) - 202-225-3861
Loretta Sanchez - California (Garden Grove) - (202) 225-2965
Dan Lipinski - Illinois (LaGrange, Oak Lawn, Chicago's southwest side) - (202) 225 - 5701
Joe Donnelly - Indiana (South Bend, LaPorte, Michigan City, Kokomo) - (202) 225-3915
Marion Berry - Arkansas (Jonesboro, Cabot, Mountain Home) - (202) 225-4076
Jerry Costello - Illinois (Carbondale, Belleville, E. St. Louis, Granite City, Chester) - (202) 225-5661
Nick Rahall - West Virginia (Beckley, Bluefield, Huntington, Logan) - (202) 225-3452
Solomon Ortiz - Texas (Corpus Christi, Brownsville) - (202) 225-7742
Alan Mollohan - West Virginia (Morgantown, Wheeling, Clarksburg, Parkersburg) - (202) 225-4172
Posted by: Moses2317 on March 21, 2010 at 2:08 AM | PERMALINK