March 21, 2010
'DEAD OF NIGHT'.... Over the course of the afternoon, we've heard quite a few floor speeches from opponents of health care reform, most of them repeating tired, cliched talking points. I haven't checked, but it stands to reason that some GOP lawmakers are just using their remarks from November, only now with more Soviet references.
But there's one talking point that's new, and unique to the circumstances: Republicans are now saying Democrats intend to pass health care reform in the "dead of night."
Seriously.
Now, my first thought is to remind GOP officials that when House Republicans voted to pass Medicare Part D under almost-comically corrupt circumstances, they did so after 3 a.m. If they want to talk about passing health care bills in the "dead of night," we can talk about passing health care bills in the "dead of night."
But that's not really the best response. The better retort is to note that they're the ones delaying the process. House Dems would almost certainly welcome the chance to vote right now, in prime time, for all the world to see, and then everyone could go home. The people complaining about voting in the "dead of night" are the ones pushing the vote into the "dead of night," with pointless procedural delays.
I don't really expect sincere and honest arguments at this point, but c'mon.
—Steve Benen 8:25 PM
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"Dead of night" tickles those religious funny bones, doesn't it?
Posted by: neil b on March 21, 2010 at 8:29 PM | PERMALINK
The witching hour---where all the cackling neoRepublicans climb down from their brooms, and try to sweep Truth under the rug....
Posted by: S. Waybright on March 21, 2010 at 8:30 PM | PERMALINK
Too bad this isn't the summer and the GOP could claim that the bill was passed in "The Heat of the Night"!
I am just so relieved that the DEMs have chosen progress and likely electoral success over collective poltical suicide.
Posted by: James M on March 21, 2010 at 8:34 PM | PERMALINK
The ol' Give-me-mercy-for-killing-my-parents-i'm-an-orphan ploy?
Well, they have been arguing in favor of transparency.
Posted by: Quaker in a Basement on March 21, 2010 at 8:35 PM | PERMALINK
I haven't read the text or the agreement of the POTUS on the executive order about funding of abortion,so I'll ask this question: Is the POTUS legally bound to issue the order? What if he just said: "I changed my mind!" and chose not to issue the order?
There are political prices to pay, but it sure would be cool if he decided that lying was OK for him, since it is OK for the opposition.
Just Asking!
Posted by: st john on March 21, 2010 at 8:39 PM | PERMALINK
one of the joys of this whole last year of Republican nonsense, however, is dropping by Balloon Juice and LGF and seeing ostensibly conservative sites spend day after day blasting the vapidity, dishonesty, and indecency of Republicans. The LGF thread on the racist and homophobic slurs yesterday is almost enough to give one faith that these dark days of our public discourse can be overcome.
Posted by: zeitgeist on March 21, 2010 at 8:42 PM | PERMALINK
[...] when House Republicans voted to pass Medicare Part D under almost-comically corrupt circumstances, they did so after 3 a.m. -- Steve Benen
That's not "the dead of night"; that's "very early morning, just before the sunrise". There's a *world of difference* between a Dem 2AM and a Repub 3AM :)
Seriously though... They've got *nothing*, if they have to whine about the "dead of night" legislating. It's like that Polish saying that "a drowning man will grab a razor (to try and save himself)"
But, hey... They wanna "debate", let them. It's a democratic country. They can console themselves that they're keeping that socialistelitist in the White House up till all hours, too. I'm really glad, BTW, that he decided to postpone his trip. At the moment, this is more important than making nice with Indonesia
Posted by: exlibra on March 21, 2010 at 8:43 PM | PERMALINK
Maybe it's already past their bedtime.
Posted by: Speed on March 21, 2010 at 8:50 PM | PERMALINK
The only disadvantage of this "dead of the night" stuff that some o them may be so wiped out by then that they hit the wrong button. By mistake, like Reid in November; there's no chance that anyone's mind will be changed by all this postur... er... debating.
Posted by: exlibra on March 21, 2010 at 8:51 PM | PERMALINK
Well, by waiting to "the dead of night", they can move the vote off of Sunday, the sabbath vote supposedly offending God. Neutralize one ridiculous talking point with another!
Posted by: Bernard Gilroy on March 21, 2010 at 8:54 PM | PERMALINK
I don't care if they had to fly to Canada to do it.
Posted by: SW on March 21, 2010 at 8:56 PM | PERMALINK
As far as I can tell, they're using their same remarks from November 1993.
Posted by: Aaron S. Veenstra on March 21, 2010 at 8:56 PM | PERMALINK
One More time, for old time's sake:
Pass. The. Damn. Bill.!!!
Maybe this time they'll listen!
Posted by: Sandlapper on March 21, 2010 at 9:02 PM | PERMALINK
Barney can tell a pug by the way it slithers...
Totally prescient. Posted early this afternoon on TPM:
"I've never seen members of the house cheering on a guy resisting being kicked out of the chamber," he said. "It's a dangerous situation and The republicans are cheering him on."
Frank told me that the Republican tactics are not just limited to protesters. When I asked him when exactly he'll know the final tally of Democratic votes for reform. Frank said he didn't know, and wouldn't until much later in the day thanks to the GOP
"See, the problem is, I think they're planning to kill their parents and claim they're orphans," he said of his Republican colleagues.
"We were hoping to have the vote in the early evening, but they're going to delay and it's going to be late when we have the vote," he said, "and they're going to denounce the fact that the vote was taken in the middle of the night."
Posted by: koreyel on March 21, 2010 at 9:03 PM | PERMALINK
If it riles the tea partiers, it's good enough. Facts? Duh! We're talking repubs. If this legislation actually passes. it wont be the end of the world, yet the opinions of the teabaggers must be avoided for all time. Repubs simply cannot exist without a very active memory hole.
Posted by: JoeW on March 21, 2010 at 9:10 PM | PERMALINK
JoeW's thought has been running through my mind all day. What happens when the world doesn't end tomorrow?
Are they going to bitch that the plan doesn't do enough soon enough?
Posted by: Ron Byers on March 21, 2010 at 9:27 PM | PERMALINK
They are getting dangerously close to the dictionary defination of Chutzpah
Posted by: mbhuff on March 21, 2010 at 9:40 PM | PERMALINK
Cantor is a freakin ignorant idiot. Just wow.
Posted by: lost in GA on March 21, 2010 at 9:50 PM | PERMALINK
"There are political prices to pay, but it sure would be cool if he decided that lying was OK for him, since it is OK for the opposition."
Since when has obama payed ANY political price for lying to the left?
Posted by: Tlaloc on March 21, 2010 at 9:56 PM | PERMALINK
St. John writes:
I haven't read the text or the agreement of the POTUS on the executive order about funding of abortion,so I'll ask this question: Is the POTUS legally bound to issue the order? What if he just said: "I changed my mind!" and chose not to issue the order?
...Just Asking!
You're not just asking, you're implying all kinds of things. The statement is easily found online.
The statement changes nothing in the law, it simply reaffirms that the Hyde amendment is effectively re-included in the new legislation.
No, the president is not legally bound to issue proclamations that essentially say, "we are all bound to follow the law, including this new one I'm signing." This agreement was part of a negotiation with the granite-headed Bart Stupak. It changes nothing, but it gives the pro-life political cover.
Posted by: Rathskeller on March 21, 2010 at 9:56 PM | PERMALINK
"See, the problem is, I think they're planning to kill their parents and claim they're orphans," he said of his Republican colleagues.
Aiiiee!! Barney Frank is controlling my brain!!! I suddenly want to subvert the mortgage system!!!! AIIIIIIEEEEE!!!!!
Posted by: Quaker in a Basement on March 21, 2010 at 9:57 PM | PERMALINK
I guess if it's supposed to be a historical vote it also has to be a melodramatic one.
Posted by: Maddie on March 21, 2010 at 10:03 PM | PERMALINK
I guess if it's supposed to be a historical vote it also has to be a melodramatic one.
Posted by: Maddie on March 21, 2010 at 10:03 PM
Yup. We couldn't have done it without our Sobbing Sisters of the South acting as the chorus.
Posted by: exlibra on March 21, 2010 at 10:09 PM | PERMALINK
They're passin' the damn bill...
Posted by: neill on March 21, 2010 at 10:41 PM | PERMALINK
they passed the damn bill, alright...
Posted by: neill on March 21, 2010 at 10:44 PM | PERMALINK
They're passing out abortions at the post office!
Posted by: SW on March 21, 2010 at 10:59 PM | PERMALINK