Editore"s Note
Tilting at Windmills

Email Newsletter icon, E-mail Newsletter icon, Email List icon, E-mail List icon Sign up for Free News & Updates

March 26, 2010

THE LIMITS OF AN EXTREME IDEOLOGY.... The Washington Post ran a profile of Mike Vanderboegh, a 57-year-old former militiaman from Alabama, who disapproves of the new Affordable Care Act. Vanderboegh, who describes himself as a "Christian libertarian" and has been part of various clandestine militia groups, has been encouraging those who agree with him to throw bricks through the windows of Democratic offices nationwide.

It's about what you'd expect from someone like this, and Vanderboegh is unapologetic about his extremism. In his interview with the Post, he makes multiple references to people who "are armed and are capable of making such resistance possible and perhaps even initiating a civil war."

Given the threat of domestic terrorism, all of this is disconcerting, to be sure. But Josh Marshall flags the punch-line from the profile:

Vanderboegh said he once worked as a warehouse manager but now lives on government disability checks. He said he receives $1,300 a month because of his congestive heart failure, diabetes and hypertension.

I see. So, Vanderboegh has a physical ailment, so instead of working, he's turned to the government to supply him with a modest income. Whether Vanderboegh appreciates the irony of a radical libertarian, who demands that a small government leave people alone, getting taxpayer-financed checks from the government not to work, is unclear.

But reading this, I'm reminded of the recent scene in Ohio, in which Tea Party activists berated a man with Parkinson's. A conservative told the ailing man, "You're looking for a hand-out, you're in the wrong end of town. Nothing for free over here, you have to work for everything you get." Another conservative, after mocking the man with wadded bills, shouted, "No more hand-outs!"

To be clear, I don't doubt that Vanderboegh is entitled to government benefits. To my mind, there's nothing at all wrong with federal programs that provide assistance to those who can't work for medical reasons. I support such efforts enthusiastically.

But Vanderboegh and his compatriots seem to think my approach represents radical "big government," which necessarily needs to be curtailed to promote and defend "liberty." Indeed, for those right-wing activists in Ohio, government disability checks are, by definition, "hand-outs."

Steve Benen 10:45 AM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (82)

Bookmark and Share
 
Comments

I can't wrap my head around around the phrase "Christian libertarian."

Posted by: Stuck with "Big John" Cornyn on March 26, 2010 at 10:51 AM | PERMALINK

I wish the reporter had thought to ask him how many bricks this fearless leader of the movement has personally thrown. As Artemus Ward wrote: "I've given two cousins to war and stand ready to sacrifice my wife's brother."

Posted by: pacato on March 26, 2010 at 10:51 AM | PERMALINK

If this gentleman from my home state has been on disability for more than 29 months, then he is also entitled to Medicare. So, he is now or will soon be receiving government health care.

Posted by: Dennis Harmon on March 26, 2010 at 10:51 AM | PERMALINK

With all the interviews this jackass has given this week, why has no one asked him whether he thinks its a tad hypocritical that he lives off the government teat while issuing violent threats toward said government?!?

Jesus Christ, is actual journalism that hard to practice?

Posted by: rob on March 26, 2010 at 10:52 AM | PERMALINK

It's in the bible, innit?

People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks.

Posted by: koreyel on March 26, 2010 at 10:53 AM | PERMALINK

Cognitive dissonance defines these kinds of people. The problem lies in how to engage them. If explained to them, facts are perceived as threatening, and certainly labeling 'ignorant' - however apt it may be - is perceived as a cop-out.

These perceptions have been conceived and nurtured carefully and deliberately by those who profit from throngs of misinformed or uninformed people supporting them, and against their own best interests.

But then you can't say that because they'll think you're defining for them what their own best interests are. It's a masterful manipulation on the part of Republicans, worthy of kudos if the results of it weren't so diabolical.

Posted by: terraformer on March 26, 2010 at 10:53 AM | PERMALINK

Doesn't anybody ask him how he'll live if the Republicans do away with Social Security?? Does he think there's some charity that is going to pay him $1300 a month for the rest of his life?

Posted by: David in NY on March 26, 2010 at 10:53 AM | PERMALINK

Today the Post is running a profile of an unemployed Iowa assembly-line worker who showed up at Obama's victory speech in Iowa City to yell. He spoke to 300 TeaPartiers while Obama addressed 3200 supporters inside and 200 more waited outside. When I first saw this last night it was a major headline while the real story was buried. This morning it's still a major headline, while the story on Obama's speech has dropped off the site completely. The Post is now just as fair and balanced as Fox.

Posted by: ericfree on March 26, 2010 at 10:55 AM | PERMALINK

There's more.

If he is getting Disability Insurance Benefits (i.e. Social Security), then he has Medicare coverage. If he is a veteran, then he has access to VA health care (which is actually pretty good).

Wonder who runs those two programs????

Posted by: Walter Olin on March 26, 2010 at 10:55 AM | PERMALINK

With all the interviews this jackass has given this week, why has no one asked him whether he thinks its a tad hypocritical that he lives off the government teat while issuing violent threats toward said government?!?

Someone did (too lazy to track it down, but I saw it last night). He has a fully developed rationalization, or at least developed enough to satisfy him. Something about his tax dollars, heightening the contradictions, some such BS.

First rule when dealing with these types: You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

Posted by: drkrick on March 26, 2010 at 10:57 AM | PERMALINK

Shorter Teabagger: I got mine, FUCK YOU!

Posted by: Marko on March 26, 2010 at 10:58 AM | PERMALINK

He sure as hell isn't getting that monthly check because conservative politicians thought it was a good idea.

Posted by: Jim B on March 26, 2010 at 10:59 AM | PERMALINK

I don't doubt that Vanderboegh is entitled to government benefits

no. no he isn't. he's forfeited that right. he has the right to die destitute and broken in a fucking ditch preaching his self-rightous "libertarian" bullshit. these people are really starting to piss me off.

Posted by: zeitgeist on March 26, 2010 at 11:00 AM | PERMALINK

And right now this guy gets his medical insurance via his wife. If she loses his job, or worse, he loses his medical insurance. And then, after a period of eligibility, he get Medicaid. Will he take it? It is a government program. Of course he will, another "do as I say, not as I do" spokesperson.

Posted by: Tigershark on March 26, 2010 at 11:00 AM | PERMALINK

It means he's someone who wants the government to keep their hands off his Medicare (and SSI) while ensuring that the death penalty is metered out (just as Jesus would have wanted) and none of them damned women folk dare to abort HIS fetus! Shameless hussies! Just as Jesus would have wanted. Praise the Lord.

Posted by: MsJoanne on March 26, 2010 at 11:08 AM | PERMALINK

Ugh, my 11:08 was for #1 in response to:

I can't wrap my head around around the phrase "Christian libertarian."

Posted by: MsJoanne on March 26, 2010 at 11:09 AM | PERMALINK

Maybe congressman Steve King (R-IA), or congressman Pete Hoekstra (R-MI), or Sarah Palin could hire Mike Vanderboegh as a chauffeur. Or, if their driving duties are already handled by someone else, maybe Vanderboegh could be paid to 'ride shotgun'.

To get Vanderboegh off the public dole/get government out of Vanderboegh's life, and reduce the size of government are very similar to the concepts of all four of these people, right?

Posted by: Bill on March 26, 2010 at 11:11 AM | PERMALINK

Nothing more to add to all the well-said comments here about the staggering hypocrisy of this guy, but what I want to know is - why has this guy not been charged with anything?

Posted by: June on March 26, 2010 at 11:12 AM | PERMALINK

When will we reach the lowest dumbing down level? These people just keep coming out of the wood work.

Posted by: Ted76 on March 26, 2010 at 11:13 AM | PERMALINK

This disconnect can only be explained by one thing: Mr. Vanderboegh feels he is entitled to what he has. That's his due. If he has any doubts about the government benefits he receives, he rationalizes that they are fair, and reflect his proper place in the sytem. And he can square that with his libertarian views for those reasons.

But Mr. Vanderboegh clearly feel people that would benefit from HCR are NOT entitled to any more than what they currently have. Particularly if he has to contribute towards helping people he doesn't like. He doesn't want THOSE POLICIES or THOSE PEOPLE to receive a red dime of his tax money.

It is all just a question of who benefits.

Let's face it. These contradictions and contortions are like the ripples on the surface of the ocean, showing a dangerous, hidden reef below. The racial and anti-immigrant (and anti-poor) attitudes underlying all of this rage against HCR have become very clear and public over the last several weeks, with the likes of Rush Limbaugh attacking HCR as "reparations" for slavery.

Posted by: Bokonon on March 26, 2010 at 11:14 AM | PERMALINK

"Whether Vanderboegh appreciates the irony of a radical libertarian, who demands that a small government leave people alone, getting taxpayer-financed checks from the government not to work, is unclear."

This isn't as simple as lacking appreciation for irony. It's a genuine psychological and emotional problem (projection), one that seems pretty widespread on the right. It would be sad if it weren't for the social and political implications for the rest of us.

Posted by: larry birnbaum on March 26, 2010 at 11:14 AM | PERMALINK

"You're looking for a hand-out, you're in the wrong end of town. Nothing for free over here, you have to work for everything you get."

It's obviously on the tip of this man's tongue what end of town it is where people live on hand-outs.

Posted by: K on March 26, 2010 at 11:15 AM | PERMALINK

no. no he isn't. he's forfeited that right. he has the right to die destitute and broken in a fucking ditch preaching his self-rightous "libertarian" bullshit. these people are really starting to piss me off.

Zeitgeist, seriously. Marry me!! ;-)

You are on fucking fire lately! Bravo, my man!

And just for the record, I am not starting to get pissed, I have been pissed at these hypocritical, ignorant, Palin-is-the-most-brilliant-politician-EVER, dumbasses (but, for shame, don't ever call them what they are because, well, that's elitist!) who can't see three fucking inches in front of their faces (or three inches back into their little pea brains) for some time now.

I am with you. Fuck them. Long

Posted by: MsJoanne on March 26, 2010 at 11:17 AM | PERMALINK

drkick wrote:

You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

I'm stealin' that line, thanks.

Marko wrote:

Shorter Teabagger: I got mine, FUCK YOU!

A few months ago, in the wake of the HCR town-hall craziness, my local paper ran a guest column from one of their regular contributors, a retired nurse who is an active lobbyist for issues affecting seniors. Neither of these roles, of course, actually informed her column on HCR, which was utterly fact-free and simply repeated the GOP talking points of the day. That's disappointing, but not really surprising. What took my breath away, though, was the brazenness of her title, referring to Medicare: No Thanks, Mr. President: We Already Have Ours.

Posted by: Stuck with "Big John" Cornyn on March 26, 2010 at 11:20 AM | PERMALINK

actually, MsJoanne, I was just coming back here to apologize for my rant and say that having gotten that off my chest I'm better now.

but an offer like yours may make me rethink that. :)

Posted by: zeitgeist on March 26, 2010 at 11:21 AM | PERMALINK

If he's getting "government" checks, that would be social security disability. Guess what comes with that? Medicare. Another libertarian beneficiary of our socialist republic.

Posted by: DanG on March 26, 2010 at 11:24 AM | PERMALINK

Why is this man being interviewed by the Washington Post and not Homeland Security?\\


That's great. Let's just make a celebrity out of every nutjob in the country. That will surely make it leas likely we'll see an elected official murdered.

Has everyone in this country lost their mind?

Posted by: karen marie on March 26, 2010 at 11:24 AM | PERMALINK

Zeit, why should WE apologize? As mad as I am, **I** am not tossing bricks through windows. **I** am not yelling down other Americans. **I** am not engaging in domestic terrorism.

What I am is pissed. Because it is these people, these self-unaware, ignorant asses with weapons up the wazoo, who are going to start a civil war, killing other American's because of their ignorance (and the fanning by Fox and the other enabling media outlets) and the Republican party itself.

You (and every other American) deserves to be pissed at these clowns.

(offer stands ;-)

Posted by: MsJoanne on March 26, 2010 at 11:26 AM | PERMALINK

Not much different from Kansas farmers of yore who would stop for coffee early in the morning, grouse and whine with fellow RepuG farmers about those "Well-fare Queens in Wichita and/or KC", then depart to pick up their Soil Bank checks from Sam.

But, so happy to see this militant receiving his "Socialist" Security Income disability check.

Posted by: berttheclock on March 26, 2010 at 11:27 AM | PERMALINK

Thanks to us socialists, the man has some time on his hands to do political theory.

Posted by: magnanimous liberal on March 26, 2010 at 11:30 AM | PERMALINK

This reminds me of the ground-breaking Dave Chappelle bit where he played a blind man who, because they always wear the hoods, became the Grand Dragon of the KKK without anyone [including himself] knowing that he was black. When he removed his hood at a Klan rally, there was a hysterical sequence of redneck heads exploding. Then when a reporter mentioned to him that he was in fact black, he ran his wife off because he couldn't stand the thought of being "married to a n****r lover!"

This here situation seems to be exactly the same freaking thing. And, were it not for the very real violence, it would be even funnier.

Posted by: chrenson on March 26, 2010 at 11:32 AM | PERMALINK

I vote we shrink government right now -- by the size of Vanderboegh's benefits. And I suggest a "Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is" Campaign: If you're serious about eliminating government"handouts" you can start by giving up yours. Sign here...

Posted by: dalloway on March 26, 2010 at 11:33 AM | PERMALINK

It is actually a bit more interesting than all of this. He is receiving SSDI, which is an insurance program run by the Federal Government. It was not a part of the original Social Security program, but was added later. Much stricter than our new health care system this program is only work-based - if you don't work (or haven't worked enough) you don't qualify.

SSI - Supplemental Security Income - is the "welfare" program and is not insurance, but based on income of the household. It can be conceived of as the equivalent of the subsidies for purchasing healthcare that will be given based on household income. This program only started in 1973.

The ratio of people on each program is about 55/45. The vast majority of people on SSDI do not qualify for Medicaid, SSI recipients qualify automatically. The medical requirements for both programs are identical.

The SSA Disability program is one of the crowning social welfare achievements of liberalism - the rest of SSA, the VA, Civil Rights (including gender and disability, still waiting for identification), and Medicare being the other giants.

Both programs represent exactly how the new health care program will work. The critical issue is that now his disabilities may be addressed through health care access, and he may be able to work - and make a hell of a lot more money - and not be trapped on SSDI to guarantee his health care.

The old saying about atheists in foxholes is bullshit, but I am forming one about libertarians. Something along the lines of: There are no libertarians living jobless in the wilderness (accepting work and wages implies slavery - and cities/towns/villages are always built with collective effort, roads and infrastructure) are only built after them), without technology or weapons (both diffused through a long history of government interaction), and eating grubs that they have discovered are edible (only available through knowledge shared and diffused by government), and reading the works of Ayn Rand (unavailable because of printing's roots in government). Poor, ignorant, stupid asses.

Don't get me started on "Christianists".

The tea party asses represent ignorant folks that are exploited by truly evil bastards. The evil bastards are the problem. We need to have the patience and guts to create constant and sustained McCarthy moments for them, i.e., Obama checking for asteroids at the signing and calling them out the past few days.

It is symbolic that access to education was passed with health care, in the long term more education will be the solution to the stupidity.

Posted by: henryedward on March 26, 2010 at 11:34 AM | PERMALINK

Another pathetic trait of this guy and his ilk is the blatant inability to do the math. Surely he doesn't pay $1300 each month in taxes (even if you ignore the benefit of paved roads, police protection, the national weather service, an educated workforce to support the internet, etc. etc.). Someone working 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, at minimum wage in Alabama makes a bit less than he gets. I don't mind that my tax dollars help people who need it (though I admit wishing some of these teapartiers get Parkinson's or cancer after refusing to use health insurance), but we're essentially paying this disturbed person to incite violence.

Posted by: R on March 26, 2010 at 11:35 AM | PERMALINK

"I can't wrap my head around around the phrase 'Christian libertarian'."

It's just a fancy way of saying "Ditto-Head".

Posted by: SecularAnimist on March 26, 2010 at 11:37 AM | PERMALINK

MsJoanne and Zeitgeist,

I'd like to offer up my band to play at your wedding. We'll do it for beer [no cheap shit]. What songs would you like us to do?

Signed,

Chrenson
Drummer of "The Omega-3 Fat Asses"

Posted by: chrenson on March 26, 2010 at 11:38 AM | PERMALINK

Socialized healthcare for me but not for thee.... Christ on a cross, these people make my head throb.

Posted by: iconoclast on March 26, 2010 at 11:40 AM | PERMALINK

I'm reminded of the Onion headline 'Libertarian Reluctantly Calls Fire Department.'

Posted by: doubtful on March 26, 2010 at 11:41 AM | PERMALINK

The "conservatism" or "libertarianism" of people like Mr. Vanderboegh isn't a clear or consistent ideology any longer. It is an entertainment demographic, mapped out by race, religion and region.

And ... yeah, I've seen the same "I've got mine, screw you" stuff coming from lots of people over about Medicare and Medicaid. The GOP was playing age demographics as well as racial divides, and was pitching to the selfishness of some seniors pretty unapologetically.

Posted by: Bokonon on March 26, 2010 at 11:41 AM | PERMALINK

"I can't wrap my head around around the phrase 'Christian libertarian'."

'Christian libertarians' are neither

Posted by: iconoclast on March 26, 2010 at 11:42 AM | PERMALINK

I have always said republicans are perfectly fine with government programs or handouts or whatever they decide to call them, right up until they feel like they are putting in more then they are receiving. When they feel like someone else is getting over, then hells bells, the god damn devil. But when they get back more then they put it, the program is perfectly acceptable. And god forbid a minority gets what they are entitled to, Armageddon.

Adding to zeitgest's comments, we should develop a program something like the GI Bill, you can opt in or not, if your in you pay X dollars for Y months and you are eligible for benefits, if you don't, no benefit. It would included Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and disability. It would at the very least force these douche bags to take a massive risk or shut the fuck up.

No more biting the hand that feeds these idiots.

Posted by: ScottW on March 26, 2010 at 11:43 AM | PERMALINK

The outright violence we're all rightly worried about seems to have hit the tripping point:

http://www.wkrn.com/global/story.asp?s=12208009

Short version: a TN man's car was rammed by some maniac in an SUV, reportedly due to the former having an Obama/Biden sticker on its bumper. The former was carrying his 10 year-old daughter home from school at the time, and had attempted to avoid the SUV. The SUV's driver deliberately smashed into the back of the car and attempted to push it onto the sidewalk. Neither father nor daughter were reportedly injured by this incident, and the SUV driver has been charged with "felony reckless endangerment".

What's most disturbing to me about this is how the car in question was singled out and attacked without provocation. Add to that the implied weight-disparity between the vehicles (car vs. truck), and its a minor miracle there were no fatalities.

Wonder how long it'll be before someone actually is killed like this.

Posted by: Joseph on March 26, 2010 at 11:43 AM | PERMALINK

And while I am ranting, what pisses me off even more is that these wingnut assholes are saying that it's Democratic operatives doing all the violence (since no Gooper could possibly do any violence, like killing a doctor in church, killing several police at his front door, slamming a plane into an IRS facility). Oh, but THE WEATHERMEN! Man, that is soooooooooo 60's (literally).

Read the bullshit at RedState. It's stunning. And this is what CNN has hired onto. Look at Crooks and Liars ( http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/erick-erickson-cnns-newest-commentator-invi ) and you'll see what I mean.

What's not to be pissed about??

(and chrenson, heh! zeit, didn't mean to embarrass you.)

Posted by: MsJoanne on March 26, 2010 at 11:51 AM | PERMALINK
I can't wrap my head around around the phrase "Christian libertarian."

What's more bizarre to me is the number of people on the right who have managed to reconcile fundamentalist Christianity with the atheist philosophy of Ayn Rand.

Posted by: Daryl McCullough on March 26, 2010 at 11:52 AM | PERMALINK

BTW, what ever happened to laws against incitement? Shouldn't this guy be in jail by now?

Posted by: Chesire11 on March 26, 2010 at 11:54 AM | PERMALINK

I think part of the problem is that we are trying to compare apples to oranges. The modern progressive movement is an ideology with a set of beliefs:

-Give people a hand up.
-Try to level the playing field for everybody

Conservatism has devolved from an ideology to a pathology. Most of these guys twist themselves up into an almost sexual frenzy of hate. They are not really intersted in any kind of facts, they just enjoy having people to hate. 50 years ago they could hate Jews and Blacks. Now they are not allowed to, so they have turned their venom on liberals and Muslims.

These people don't really hate government per se, most of them benefit from it since the majority seem to be poor and uneducated. Rather, they love to hate. Liberals are the enemy, liberals believe government can do good, therefore government is bad. Now I'm going to collect my disability, go to the VFW for a beer, and bicth about government.

Posted by: Liam J on March 26, 2010 at 12:05 PM | PERMALINK

MsJoanne wrote: "... what pisses me off even more is that these wingnut assholes are saying that it's Democratic operatives doing all the violence ..."

The LEAD STORY on NPR's hourly news update last night was Newt Gingrich making a speech somewhere in which he said that Democrats were to blame for the violent attacks against Democrats, because they had "bought votes and bullied people".

Again, this was the LEAD STORY ON NPR NEWS.

The NPR new announcer simply read Gingrich's assertion on the air as though it were "news", and moved on to the next story.

And that's how the liberal media is reporting on the violent Ditto-Head attacks on Democrats.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on March 26, 2010 at 12:05 PM | PERMALINK

I often wonder how many of the Tea Baggers receive payments from the Federal government. From the videos I've seen the average age appears to be late fifties with maybe a third or more old enough to draw SS and/or medicare.

Posted by: Jose Padilla on March 26, 2010 at 12:09 PM | PERMALINK

anyone notice that the part about disabillity is now gone from the article?

Posted by: treetop on March 26, 2010 at 12:17 PM | PERMALINK

Once again, I apologize to all of you for the people of Alabama. Not everyone is an asshole, honest.

Posted by: martin on March 26, 2010 at 12:21 PM | PERMALINK

Is there a phrase more oxymoronic than "Christian Libertarian?"

I thought Glenn Beck had reached the limit of comprehension fail when telling people to abandon their church if they believe in social justice, but I just can't imagine what kind of mental gymnastics a person would have to undergo to come up with "Christian Libertarian".

Or, the alternative, the man is too stupid to live.

Posted by: short fuse on March 26, 2010 at 12:23 PM | PERMALINK

Treetop,

It's still there. Second page, mid-way down.

Posted by: chrenson on March 26, 2010 at 12:26 PM | PERMALINK

One thing that kills me about these morons is their self-assurance that their little rag tag weekend warrior militias are so bad ass. Have they been paying attention to the scary-ass things our government is doing in Pakistan? And those guys actually have fighting experience and serious weaponry. If our government were truly as Fascist or Socialist (or whatever it is this week) as these guys say, Mr. Vanderboegh wouldn't stand a chance.

Posted by: stand on March 26, 2010 at 12:34 PM | PERMALINK

It's so sad what's happened to NPR. I used to love it, not just because of the quality of the news, but all the nostalgic aspects... riding to school w/my dad & carpool w/Morning Edition on, Bob Edwards' voice.... I've never liked Steve Innskeep, and there's way too much Juan Williams/Cokie Robertsism there now. Cokie, in particular, is a joke. Didn't the loyal Bushies do this? (in a sense, through pressure on the CPB? I can't quite remember)

Posted by: ulrich on March 26, 2010 at 12:42 PM | PERMALINK

If he is 57, he put in his original claim several years ago. None of the SSI, SSDI, SSA programs allow anyone to waltz in and pluck a check from the Gift Tree. Usually, one must file a claim, be rejected, file a 2nd claim, be rejected and, then file a third claim. However, the meter starts on the filing of the first claim. I have known people who have had to wait for years to receive any checks. Missions are filled for those awaiting the lump sum first payment. In addition, I have known several, who, finally, hired attorneys to cut through the paper work and qualify. Most of this is due to the RepuGs for making the reception of any government check, extremely difficult and time consuming. They hope you drop your claim. In addition, in Oregon, it has been found there has been fraud by some collecting even though they are no longer disabled. The rub is the RepuGs cut funding for inspectors to perform the necessary followup.

Posted by: berttheclock on March 26, 2010 at 12:45 PM | PERMALINK

The NPR new announcer simply read Gingrich's assertion on the air as though it were "news", and moved on to the next story.

Which is why I stopped listening and contributing many years ago, except for an occasional "Car Talk".

Posted by: qwerty on March 26, 2010 at 12:46 PM | PERMALINK

Ulrich,

Yeah, Juan Williams is really starting to grate. While not quite as shocking, the move at NPR to "balance" the news by taking out any facts that would lead an average listener to come to some sort of conclusion feels an awful lot like when Dennis Miller suddenly became a neo-con shill after 9/11.

Posted by: chrenson on March 26, 2010 at 12:49 PM | PERMALINK

I'm stealin' that line, thanks.

Jonathan Swift. No reflection on drkick, who employed it aptly. These people are convinced that they deserve their government benefits while The Others (insert racial minority, immigrant, poor person, atheist, gay person, etc.) do not deserve theirs by virtue of their Otherness.

Posted by: shortstop on March 26, 2010 at 12:51 PM | PERMALINK

Yes, stand, on the one hand they rail against black clad UN troops rappeling from black Helos to take their weapons, but, on the other demean UN troops as being pansies.

Perhaps, they are really really afraid of the gay Dutch troops being sent on those choppers. Yeah, beware of any gay trooper with a M-4 in his hand and your GPS coordinates in his other.

Posted by: berttheclock on March 26, 2010 at 12:51 PM | PERMALINK

"Now I'm going to collect my disability, go to the VFW for a beer, and bicth about government."

Don't forgot that you have to stop by the VA hospital first for that medical care that isn't provided by the government.

Posted by: bluestatedon on March 26, 2010 at 12:54 PM | PERMALINK

"And that's how the liberal media is reporting..."

NPR stopped being truly "liberal" years ago. Cokie Roberts in particular would fit right in on Fox News. I'm surprised they haven't made her a big offer.

Posted by: bluestatedon on March 26, 2010 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

Steve,
this is the same guy who in his facebook page incited people to throw bricks at offices of the "Democrat" Party, right after the passage of the Affordable Care Act.... Rachel Maddow talked about him in her show, I think Monday or Tuesday.....

Posted by: Monica on March 26, 2010 at 1:25 PM | PERMALINK

sorry Steve, you mentioned that fact in the first paragraph of your story.... I read it too fast! oops!

Posted by: Monica on March 26, 2010 at 1:26 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, but he's white. Its those "other" people getting government checks that are the problem.

Posted by: Henk on March 26, 2010 at 1:54 PM | PERMALINK

All of his conditions (diabetes, hypertension, congestive heart failure) are easily preventable. A lifetime of deplorable eating habits, a lack of personal responsibility, has made him a burden on society.

Posted by: Tars Tarkas on March 26, 2010 at 1:56 PM | PERMALINK

Good to see that some dolt can clearly define himself as the nobody he is - there is no such creature as a "Christian libertarian," and therefore, Mr. Vanderboegh is correct, he is a nobody!

But, he may be armed and dangerous nonetheless! -Kevo

Posted by: kevo on March 26, 2010 at 1:57 PM | PERMALINK

What this "gentleman" fails to grasp is that his opinion is NOT the only one that matters. He is under the delusion (assisted by the GOP and the media - both Fox and "mainstream") that wing nut opinions are somehow more important and more valid than those of the silent majority or those that come out in favor of this legislation.

Like many people who associate with a small group of like minded people and listening to and reading only those sources that support his belief system, he lives in an echo chamber that somehow makes him fell that "everyone" agrees with him but that is simply not so.

Frankly the slavish devotion to the wing nut crowd by the more mainstream media outlets makes him feel more important than he actually is so if they would put things in perspective and stop the love affair they wouldn't be abetting him in his pathological selfcenterdness. And frankly, this applies to all issues not just HCR.

Posted by: ET on March 26, 2010 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK

@tars:

I saw that, too. This guy simply ate himself out of being employable. To use the precise term of glibertariansim, he is a "fat, lazy shit."

Who is going to ask McMegan to rationalize his eating problem?

Posted by: Dollared on March 26, 2010 at 2:52 PM | PERMALINK

The Post left out an interesting part of the story. Vanderboegh has called for an April 19th ARMED march on Washington (although right outside D.C. because of their gun laws). This is the anniversary both of Waco and the Oklahoma City bombing.

No, no potential for blowup there!

Posted by: Susie Madrak on March 26, 2010 at 3:25 PM | PERMALINK

No, no, you people have it all wrong. In their minds, it's perfectly all right for THEM to receive government assistance, because after all, they are, as they see themselves, the only TRUE Americans. What they don't want is "other people" (and I think you all know who I mean) to get government assistance.

Now, if they would have passed a health care bill that was for "whites only", they'd have been all for it.

Posted by: Joe V on March 26, 2010 at 3:39 PM | PERMALINK

The problem with the modern conservative movement (well, okay, one of many, many problems) is that it's no longer a political party, or even political movement, centered around a set of ideals or vision for the future.

It's a religion in which only true believers are accepted, and everyone else is a heretical enemy to be destroyed.

It's why they ignore facts and celebrate willful ignorance--faith and fact are incompatible.

It's why they rail against the government while happily taking money from the government--belief is easier than logic.

It's why they can support an administration that was the most corrupt, deceitful, unlawful, and just plain disgusting in American history, but then act as if giving everyone access to affordable care is tyranny--it's easier to repeat a Leader's talking points than it is to think for oneself.

While it's disturbing and dangerous right now, I'm sure scholars hundreds of years from now will find it fascinating ...

Posted by: Mark D on March 26, 2010 at 3:39 PM | PERMALINK

As Artemus Ward wrote: "I've given two cousins to war and stand ready to sacrifice my wife's brother."

my grand dad (WWI vet) used to sing "send for the boys of the old brigade, to keep old england free
send for my brother, my sister, or my mother ...
but for gods sake dont send me"

Posted by: jefft452 on March 26, 2010 at 4:11 PM | PERMALINK

It's more of that "I'd love to see it go b'bye, but it's crazy to unilaterally surrender benefits.

I'm okay with that, actually.

I personally oppose exemption of taxes on food, but I'm not volunteering to pay them until everyone does, so when Republicans tell me to send in more money, but they excuse THIS guy, I would just like some equal treatment.

(For anyone interested, the wealthy buy better quality, pricier food and would pay more taxes on it. The extra funds could enhance food assistance programs and offset general sales or income taxes to make the measure revenue neutral, if desired.)

Posted by: toowearyforoutrage on March 26, 2010 at 4:16 PM | PERMALINK

living proof that a lifetime of rage is very bad for your cardiovascular system!

Posted by: sue on March 26, 2010 at 4:26 PM | PERMALINK

Cut off this man's disability. As a taxpayer, I refuse to pay for someone who can't support himself and needs help. If he is unable to work, too bad. He should starve. This is the sort of ideology he espouses, and he needs to live by it. Cut off his disability now.

Posted by: Joe-Bob on March 26, 2010 at 5:15 PM | PERMALINK

Thanks to us socialists, the man has some time on his hands to do political theory.

Posted by: magnanimous liberal on March 26, 2010 at 11:30 AM | PERMALINK


That was my first thought as well. This guy has way too much time on his hands and way too angry for his own good.

Posted by: Mick on March 26, 2010 at 5:33 PM | PERMALINK

"Now, if they would have passed a health care bill that was for 'whites only', they'd have been all for it."
Posted by: Joe V on March 26, 2010 at 3:39 PM

Don't be ridiculous.
As the Hon Rep Cantor so helpfully pointed out recently, they don't like us Jew-boys too much either (unless we're in Israel -- and even then, they only actually like the ones they think might convert in the End Times) -- and we at least look white.

Posted by: smartalek on March 26, 2010 at 7:06 PM | PERMALINK

The part that shows the fantasy world these dodos are living in was the sentence in Mr. Benen's article that included: "...and has been part of various clandestine militia groups...".
The man is diabetic, has hypertension and congestive heart failure and he's out in the woods, all cammied up, playing soldiers? The original article says that he was noticed as being involved in the militia movement in the mid-1990s, as a leader of the "First Alabama CAVALRY, Constitutional Militia"! I didn't think the HumVee went commercial that long ago. Or possibly they had military surplus Jeeps (already green, dontcha know?) as I seriously doubt he could get his fat *ss on horse, even then!
This man calls himself a "Christian libertarian" while showing no sympathy for those less fortunate while simultaneously is living off the government?
Of course, perhaps he realizes that if he actually DID live by the principles he SAYS he believes in, that might cut into his moon pie consumption; what with either sharing them with those who don't have any or, worse still, not having having the money to buy them at all!

Posted by: Doug on March 26, 2010 at 8:49 PM | PERMALINK

I'm especially fascinated by the line in the Post article that says he used to be a member of the Progressive Labor Party in the early 1970's when PLP was one of the more doctrinaire Marxist-Maoist New Left movements.

Posted by: sj on March 26, 2010 at 8:57 PM | PERMALINK

I believe he rationalizes it as being like a resistance movement using the materiel of the enemy against it.

But I'd like to see someone ask him how he'd support himself after he wins.

My theory is that he's basically a trailer park grifter, and he's hoping to build a following who can be fleeced. The Democratic administration is just the marketing hook.

Posted by: Jon H on March 26, 2010 at 9:30 PM | PERMALINK

Remember that Terry Nichols, Timothy McVeigh’s partner, used crop subsidies to by the fertilizer used for the Oklahoma City bomb. What a bunch of f-ing hypocrites.

Posted by: J. Frak Parnell on March 27, 2010 at 1:09 AM | PERMALINK

This is good new!:) i'll hope this will be for a long period of time ;)

Posted by: onlinemarketing on December 28, 2010 at 2:29 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

Read Jonathan Rowe remembrance and articles
Email Newsletter icon, E-mail Newsletter icon, Email List icon, E-mail List icon Sign up for Free News & Updates

Advertise in WM



buy from Amazon and
support the Monthly