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March 30, 2010

REAPING WHAT ONE SOWS ON THE CENSUS.... Prominent right-wing voices decided last year that the U.S. census was not to be trusted. Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) said the process could lead to "internment camps." Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) called the census "invasive." Fox News' Glenn Beck's suggested Americans may not be comfortable with "ACORN members" collecting information. Radio host Neal Boortz said some census information is "designed to help the government steal from you in order to pass off your property to the moochers."

No one should be surprised, then, that the spread of right-wing paranoia over the census is having an effect. (via Daily Kos)

Contrary to historical trends, some of the toughest challenges facing the agency responsible for measuring the nation's population are not from counting the traditionally undercounted groups such as African-Americans and Latinos. Instead, a new and growing threat to an accurate national head count is coming from anti-government conservatives who may not fill out their forms to protest against "Big Brother" in Washington.

The Houston Chronicle's report looks specifically at Texas, which is counting on the census to gain additional House seats, electoral votes, and federal funding relating to transportation, agriculture, health, education, and housing

But some anti-government types are shooting themselves in the foot.

The national average on the return rate for census forms is 34%. In much of Texas, the more Republican the area, the lower the return rate. In Briscoe County in the Panhandle, McCain/Palin won nearly 75% of the vote -- and 8% of locals are sending in their census materials. In King County, near Lubbock, McCain/Palin won nearly 93% of the vote -- and only 5% of locals are answering the census.

They apparently have no idea that they're acting against their own interests.

Last July, some very conservative Republican House members urged Bachmann, in particular, to back off the anti-census crusade, calling the efforts "illogical."

It seems at least some parts of the Republican base haven't gotten the message.

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They have ALWAYS acted against their own interests, as exhibited by votes for McCain/Palin. This is simply a continuation.

Posted by: withay on March 30, 2010 at 4:43 PM | PERMALINK

It should be a relatively easy matter for the Commerce Dept. to post, by congressional district, the cost to send out enumerators to each of the low-compliance districts. Maybe it'd help them to know how many tax dollars are being wasted through their idiotic stance.

Posted by: artsmith on March 30, 2010 at 4:43 PM | PERMALINK

Government is the problem, not the solution. States which have an increased census will get more congressmen, which means more government. When the census man comes calling, invoke your constitutional right to remain silent.

Posted by: Al on March 30, 2010 at 4:43 PM | PERMALINK

We should absolutely encourage the Rabid Rid to avoid census counts at all costs. If successful, they may even lose seats in congress.

Posted by: Blue Shark on March 30, 2010 at 4:46 PM | PERMALINK

They probably think Democrats complete the census in 2010 and Republicans complete it in 2011, and I'm not about to tell them any different.

Posted by: KTinOhio on March 30, 2010 at 4:47 PM | PERMALINK

I'm not sure I'm seeing the problem here. If they want to be under-represented in Congress, that's their sacred and inalienable right and there ain't no sense in the gubbament going out of it's way trying to cram representation and their proper propotionate share of federal spending down their throats.

Posted by: Another Steve on March 30, 2010 at 4:50 PM | PERMALINK

This is so predictable. They'll lose a few house seats, then turn around and scream gerrymandering.

Posted by: JoeW on March 30, 2010 at 4:52 PM | PERMALINK

The right to be stupid is probably *the* most inalienable.

Posted by: Jon on March 30, 2010 at 4:52 PM | PERMALINK

I think they're holding out for a ConservaCensus conducted by Fox News, which will be integrated into the normal census according to the same guidelines used for Tea Party rally estimates. In this way, they will finally prove that Real Americans represent the percentage of the population that they've always said they were and Utah will be given its rightful place as most populous state.

Posted by: Doctor Biobrain on March 30, 2010 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK

These folks don't leave any room for satire. Any crazy-ass position you can think of, they've already got it staked out.
By the same token, the more of these weenies we scare away from the census, the better off the real America will be.

Posted by: Cap'n Chucky on March 30, 2010 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK

I live in Texas and would love to reduce the chances of Texas getting an additional seat for the Republicans to gerrymander.

Is it worth saying I live by myself and exclude the other 5 people who live with me? Or will the extra federal aid be worth while?

Posted by: Lib in Texas on March 30, 2010 at 4:54 PM | PERMALINK

btw, the real America is where these "Real Americans" ain't.

Posted by: Cap'n Chucky on March 30, 2010 at 4:55 PM | PERMALINK

Let'em not answer the census. They don't want any of that government support anyway. hell, let'em be undercounted and lose a few congressional districts. Good for the rest of the country.

We should only send in census takers if they can ride in black helicopters.

Posted by: Darsan 54 on March 30, 2010 at 4:56 PM | PERMALINK

One of the recent media profiles of a Tea Partier included the delicious irony of the gentleman in question railing about the tyrannical gummint, but also applying for a job as a census taker because he was unemployed.

Posted by: eeyore on March 30, 2010 at 4:56 PM | PERMALINK

So, due to unwillingness to participate in the census, teabaggers are willing to be counted for representation purposes as three-fifths of a person?

Posted by: Husker Blue on March 30, 2010 at 5:00 PM | PERMALINK

We know, however, that the government will probably go to much greater lengths to make sure every wingnut gets counted than they would if the protesters were all, say, DFHs.

Posted by: howie on March 30, 2010 at 5:02 PM | PERMALINK

The thing is, to Ms. Bachmann and The Base, "illogical" is a feature.

Posted by: eb on March 30, 2010 at 5:04 PM | PERMALINK

Huh. Wasn't it the Republicans who just got in trouble for sending out a fundraising brochure that was designed to look like a Census mailer?

Posted by: chrenson on March 30, 2010 at 5:07 PM | PERMALINK

Like they say on Fox: which is worse, the fool or the fool who follows us.

Posted by: * on March 30, 2010 at 5:12 PM | PERMALINK

King County, TX only has three hundred people or so in it, so it may not have a big effect on any figures if they don't mail their forms in. What a desolate, desolate place that is.

Posted by: matt w on March 30, 2010 at 5:12 PM | PERMALINK

I love how these letter-of-the-law strict Constitutionalists are so against a process mandated by the Constitution.

Posted by: Notorious P.A.T. on March 30, 2010 at 5:13 PM | PERMALINK

"They apparently have no idea that they're acting against their own interests."

Shouldn't we be keeping this quiet?

Posted by: Zak44 on March 30, 2010 at 5:14 PM | PERMALINK

The very definition (and success of) the GOP relies nearly exclusively on getting normal people to act against their own best interest. The more they do, the worse their lives get, and the more the GOP convinces them to continue kicking themselves (and blame it on the Democrats). They create their own problems, then blame others.

Why should the census be any different?

Posted by: Nylund on March 30, 2010 at 5:16 PM | PERMALINK
In King County, near Lubbock, McCain/Palin won nearly 93% of the vote

Gee thanks, Steve. As if showing up for a test without having studied or walking into the office without pants on weren't enough, I now have something else to have nightmares about: moving to King County, TX.

Posted by: noncarb on March 30, 2010 at 5:17 PM | PERMALINK

Steve, I have one word to say about this entry: HUSH!

Posted by: Barry on March 30, 2010 at 5:17 PM | PERMALINK

I'm with zak. Sssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

Posted by: cr on March 30, 2010 at 5:18 PM | PERMALINK

I swear, the wingnuts would tape plastic bags over their heads and suffocate if Glenn Beck told them to protest the fascist EPA by rejecting government-regulated oxygen.

Posted by: poliwog on March 30, 2010 at 5:19 PM | PERMALINK

We know, however, that the government will probably go to much greater lengths to make sure every wingnut gets counted than they would if the protesters were all, say, DFHs.

Is that a joke? After all, we go through great lengths to count homeless people, some of whom really WERE dirty f-ing hippies.

And really, the DFH thing was an attack on anti-war protesters who turned out to be correct. Conservatives and their media admirers have long stopped thinking of us that way. Now we're Muslim socialists, not hippies. DFH's a term that really needs to go away now, as we're the only ones using it.

Posted by: Doctor Biobrain on March 30, 2010 at 5:19 PM | PERMALINK

I am so glad I don't live in the canyons of Michelle Bachmann's mind! The census has a very august history here in the West. 1068 C.E. was when William the Conqueror ordered Britian's first! What did he wish to accomplish? A head count to see who would be paying their taxes, and who would be able-bodied to help defend England from its enemies - two elements of measure still relevant.

But, more importantly, today's census also determines representation - something Michelle seems not to be too clear on even though she is an elected representative from a district that may not exist next time around if Ms. Bachmann gets her hystical way! -Kevo

Posted by: kevo on March 30, 2010 at 5:20 PM | PERMALINK

<Nelson>Ha-Haw!</Nelson>

Posted by: biggerbox on March 30, 2010 at 5:21 PM | PERMALINK

It's just SHOCKING that a plan hatched by Michelle Bachmann has so many problems with it.

I only feel bad for the honest, sane people living in these districts who will now get even more punished by living amidst the morons.

Posted by: greebs on March 30, 2010 at 5:23 PM | PERMALINK

Sweet! And while conservatards are busy being under-counted, lots of gay people are gleefully checking the "spouse" or "unmarried partners" box. Let the taxation and representation begin. Oh, and gay marriage too.

And a pony.

Posted by: Gaia on March 30, 2010 at 5:27 PM | PERMALINK

The census is used as a baseline for all manner of statistical analysis. Classic examples involve work done by the Center for Disease Control.

The Republicans are set against adjusting the Census count using statistical techniques: this opposition could come back to bite them.

Anyway, whatever your ideological persuasion, I urge you to return your census form.

Posted by: Measure for Measure on March 30, 2010 at 5:31 PM | PERMALINK

As a recently trained Enumerator (Census Taker, for you folks in GOP land), I can tell you the cost of not sending in the form: 42 cents for the postage, versus $60 for me to come to your house, knock on the door, and ask the 5 questions.

Which are: Your name, sex, age, are you Hispanic, and what is your race? Any 3 out of 5 is good enough for your government, so don't get your panties in a twist!

And, for you Reichwing loonies, I'll make you a deal: You don't shoot at me, and I won't count you. . .

Posted by: DAY on March 30, 2010 at 5:31 PM | PERMALINK

They may be sending the census forms back at 5% and thinking they're protecting themselves. But we'll get them, we'll get them in the end... When they send in their Medicare and SocSec applications -- at 100% rate. Gotcha, suckers!

Posted by: exlibra on March 30, 2010 at 5:31 PM | PERMALINK

I fully support the right-wing's paranoia and unwillingness to fill out the Census.

In a perfect world the Red-States will be so under counted in the Census that they lose multiple House seats along with huge chunks of Federal dollars.

Posted by: Annoyed on March 30, 2010 at 5:39 PM | PERMALINK

Barry - above is right, let's not tell the repubs about the census, after all they don't want government intrusion in their lives and I am sure they do not want government cash.
Come to think - I wonder how many people in the metropolis of Lubbock are living on government handouts.

Posted by: JS on March 30, 2010 at 5:40 PM | PERMALINK

They can count the census-skippers by checking the guvamint list of NRA members. The only reason the NRA exists is to track gun owners! Pass it on. :)

Posted by: lipreader on March 30, 2010 at 5:44 PM | PERMALINK

If we KNOW what percentage of people are not answering the census, what do we need to conduct a census for?

Posted by: Simon on March 30, 2010 at 5:49 PM | PERMALINK

I just mentioned this story to a couple of conservatives I know. They can count and both of them understand the implications of not filling out the census form. They told me I was the victim of the liberal media. They don't believe any Republican would be so stupid as to not fill out their census form. I told them to google Michelle Bachman and the census.

Posted by: Ron Byers on March 30, 2010 at 6:00 PM | PERMALINK
Contrary to historical trends, some of the toughest challenges facing the agency responsible for measuring the nation's population are not from counting the traditionally undercounted groups such as African-Americans and Latinos. Instead, a new and growing threat to an accurate national head count is coming from anti-government conservatives who may not fill out their forms to protest against "Big Brother" in Washington.

...and the downside is...???

Posted by: cwolf on March 30, 2010 at 6:15 PM | PERMALINK

For the Tea Party crowd and it's enablers, this is a feature, not a bug. Consider what a goldmine this will be for those taking advantage of the "perpetual victim" mindset that makes up the vast majority of the modern-day GOP...

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If we KNOW what percentage of people are not answering the census, what do we need to conduct a census for?
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Just in case it's not snark... I suspect this is percentage of forms, not people. The Census Bureau does (presumably) know how many forms they sent out to what areas, after all...

Posted by: Craig on March 30, 2010 at 6:24 PM | PERMALINK

The national average on the return rate for census forms is 34%. In much of Texas, the more Republican the area, the lower the return rate.

I fail to see a problem here . . .

Posted by: kc on March 30, 2010 at 6:27 PM | PERMALINK

On principle I would like to see an accurate count, and I do NOT understand why we haven't instituted statistical analysis.

But there's a part of me who thinks it would be REALLY funny if Texas lost some House seats. Oh, yeah.

Posted by: Daddy Love on March 30, 2010 at 6:43 PM | PERMALINK

States which have an increased census will get more congressmen, which means more government.

Which, for Republicans, means more members of the House who can vote to repeal health care reform and against the Democratic agenda...

...

why, I completely agree with Al. You know what else would result in less government, Al? If conservatives did not vote. If you vote for politicians, it only encourages them.

Please stay home on Election Day, conservatives. That will really stick it to Big Brother!

Posted by: rnato on March 30, 2010 at 6:48 PM | PERMALINK

Didn't see that anyone had posted a link to the Census Bureau's map of returns down to the zip code view: http://2010.census.gov/2010census/take10map/. I'm glad to see that my very liberal neighborhood is beating the rest of my very liberal city in getting our Census forms in....

Posted by: Heidi on March 30, 2010 at 6:55 PM | PERMALINK

We need to spread the word to patriotic Obama-hating militiamen, secessionists, and Social-Security-drawing teabaggers in Texas, South Carolina, Georgia, Oklahoma, Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana that if they fill out Census forms, jackbooted thugs will arrive via black helicopters to take Grandma off to Obamacare death camps. Those permitted to remain will have GPS-enabled microchips implanted in their skulls so that Nancy Pelosi can track their every attempt to escape the clutches of the socialist state she and her demon lover Obama are imposing on the country.

Posted by: bluestatedon on March 30, 2010 at 6:55 PM | PERMALINK

Ummm.... Maybe it is not an act of civil disobedience but rather the result of illiteracy?

Posted by: Diane Rodriguez on March 30, 2010 at 6:56 PM | PERMALINK

Let's see how fast the great Republican hypocrisy machine turns around on this one. When they thought it was minorities and other Democratic constituents being under-counted, they were strict constructionists - count every head because the Constitution does not allow for estimates. Now that Buford and Mabel might not be counted, they'll likely be all for estimates to fairly count those knuckle dragging nit wits even if they don't want to be found.

It's even possible that Idaho or Wyoming will be found not to have any people at all. Hmmm.

Posted by: Bob on March 30, 2010 at 7:12 PM | PERMALINK

They apparently have no idea that they're acting against their own interests.

And yet they keep voting Republican.

Posted by: Gregory on March 30, 2010 at 7:33 PM | PERMALINK

The large population centers have been carrying large sections of the country with corporate welfare ("Oil depletion allowance") and government contracts (military industrial complex in the sun belt) for 50 years due to the over representation of underpopulated states in the Senate and senority rules.

If right wing paranoia and ignorance regarding the census results in a more equitable distribution of Federal expenditures its ok with this northeast resident.

Posted by: robert on March 30, 2010 at 7:33 PM | PERMALINK

Slightly OT, but wasn't Jesus born in Bethlehem because his "father" Joseph and his betrothed, Mary, were ordered to his home city to be counted for purposes of taxation? Lamsa Translation of the Holy Bible: St. Luke Ch. 2 vs. 1&2: "And it happened in those days that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus to take a census of all the people in his empire. This first census took place during the governorship of Quirinius in Syria." Seems to me the Census is a Biblically-ordained tradition of Empire. What is the resistance?

Posted by: st john on March 30, 2010 at 7:39 PM | PERMALINK

Seems to me Texas was talking about secession. What better way to do it than declare a zero population by not sending in any census forms. With no Americans living there we could actually give it back to Mexico, or declare it open territory for teabaggers from around the country to homestead. Instead of Texass it could be Teass, and we could build a wall, a very high wall, to keep them all in there to fight among themselves.

Posted by: rrk1 on March 30, 2010 at 7:43 PM | PERMALINK

Absolutely delicious.

Posted by: JD on March 30, 2010 at 7:48 PM | PERMALINK

I'm from Houston, and family members (uncles, cousins) who live in the North Texas area, were sending around paranoid emails about the census about a year ago. Oh, there was also a buzz about ACORN. Some of them should know better.

Posted by: flubber on March 30, 2010 at 8:20 PM | PERMALINK

I'm encouraging all the 'Baggers and 'Publicans I know to burn their census forms.

Posted by: jP on March 30, 2010 at 9:00 PM | PERMALINK

C'mon wingnuts, fill out your ACORN conservative tracking forms!

Posted by: Rip on March 30, 2010 at 10:00 PM | PERMALINK

St. John, that's a great bit of Biblical history. Unfortunately, what the Christianists always do is cherry-pick those parts of the Bible that ratify their world-view and ignore the inconvenient parts that don't.

Posted by: bluestatedon on March 30, 2010 at 10:01 PM | PERMALINK

I don't get it... my census form didn't ask anything that I considered invasive. Most people give up way more info than that on their Facebook page. Most definitely more info every time they use their credit card. What a bunch of dimwits.

Posted by: kanopsis on March 30, 2010 at 10:05 PM | PERMALINK

They apparently have no idea that they're acting against their own interests.

Well, for God sakes, don't tell them. The less power these people have in the legislature, the better off the country will be.

Posted by: Texas Aggie on March 30, 2010 at 10:31 PM | PERMALINK

"When the census man comes calling, invoke your constitutional right to remain silent."

Al, can you point me the section of the Constitution that gives one the "right to remain silent"?

I am well aware of the right protecting against self-incrimination, but answering name, age, date of birth, and nationality/ethnicity can't possibly self-incriminating. So you can't be referring to that.

Posted by: Robert Earle on March 30, 2010 at 10:44 PM | PERMALINK

What scares me is, now the Census Bureau will have to send enumerators door to door in these neighborhoods. That doesn't seem likely to end well.

Posted by: bcamarda on March 30, 2010 at 10:59 PM | PERMALINK

Why is it that despite the fact that the US has been conducting the census since roughly 1860, only now is it some kind of insidious government plot?

Pathetic.

Posted by: Kirsten on March 30, 2010 at 11:27 PM | PERMALINK

Now that national ACORN's not around, maybe they could send all their former inner-city vote registrars to those rural areas to encourage them.

Nothing like a big black or Latino guy in an Acorn T-shirt politely saying "President Obama strongly urges all Americans to give the government some information about yourself..."

Posted by: MikeN on March 30, 2010 at 11:50 PM | PERMALINK

They have no idea they're acting against their own interests.

They also have no idea that they benefit from the "redistribution of wealth" they so despise.

Posted by: Naveen on March 31, 2010 at 12:55 AM | PERMALINK

Ha... Ha... Ha...

Posted by: jonthebru on March 31, 2010 at 1:26 AM | PERMALINK

Wonder when Michelle had her "What? Oh..." moment. She must have had this explained to her not that long ago, as she suddenly stopped speaking of not taking the census.

But too late, the willing legions have been primed to shoot themselves in the foot/feet again.

The irony, the irony. (And this is ironic, and not just unfortunate, Morissette!)

Posted by: SteinL on March 31, 2010 at 1:58 AM | PERMALINK

@ Ron Byers above - who told his disbelieving conservative friends to google Bachmann + census.

Did you manage to do that without having an intolerable grin on your face, as you were guffawing and snorting with suppressed mirth!

(Just couldn't resist writing guffawing and mirth, two personal firsts!)

Posted by: SteinL on March 31, 2010 at 2:09 AM | PERMALINK

"Government is the problem, not the solution. States which have an increased census will get more congressmen, which means more government. When the census man comes calling, invoke your constitutional right to remain silent."
That is retarded.
1) you're costing the Government more money, IE yourself more money.
2) The only change your not filling in census will make is your district will mean your vote will count for less when you vote. the amount of seats wont change it will just mean that "dayum libreal E-1337-ists" will get an extra seat or two ;)
3)It is a constitutional mandate to be counted in the census you fool.

Posted by: xD on March 31, 2010 at 5:39 AM | PERMALINK

I, for one, look forward to the conservitard reaction to the census resulting in a count of exactly ZERO for Wyoming, with the result that they completely lose their congressional representation and return to the status of "empty territory".

When they ask to be readmitted as a state, the answer is "NO".

Posted by: Snarki, child of Loki on March 31, 2010 at 7:25 AM | PERMALINK

Haha, the bitters R dum.

Posted by: 6079smithW on March 31, 2010 at 9:15 AM | PERMALINK

If you go to the census.gov, King cty, TX only has 286 residents..a drop from 356 in 2000. Seriously though, poor accounting for a COUNTY of 300 people is not a big issue.

Posted by: Jim Caserta on March 31, 2010 at 9:44 AM | PERMALINK

Well, Al is here early to toss in his inarticulate and misinformed 2 cents. Like many Kool-aiders he believes that fewer census returns = less federal spending = smaller government. Idiot fails to realize that it simply means those areas who do return census forms will receive much more of the funding and - as pointed out earlier - more representation in Congress. Al and the conservative masses - acting against their own interests once again.

Posted by: jjcomet on March 31, 2010 at 10:10 AM | PERMALINK

St. John - Well, the Romans did institute a census around 6 AD, but the accounts of it in the Bible are hilariously wrong. In the first place, it occurred when Jesus would have been about 9, not when Mary was pregnant. Also, the notion that the Romans (or anyone) would make a person return to their place of birth for a census is ridiculous. Besides the logistical nightmare that would create, it would totally bollocks up the purpose of Roman censuses - figuring out how many taxable heads were in each province. Registering at your place of birth rather than residence would have resulted in massive confusion and miscounting for revenue purposes, which was the sole purpose of the Roman census. It's a cute story told to place Jesus' roots in Bethlehem rather than Nazareth, a necessity if Jesus were to be considered a descendant of King David and thus eligible to be the messiah.

Posted by: jjcomet on March 31, 2010 at 10:21 AM | PERMALINK

Aside from the practical use of the census information for constituents, there is the historical aspect. My husband and I both do our families' genealogies, and we've been able to find out so much about our families' histories by using census information from the past. People are screwing their descendants' efforts to maintain family history by not answering the census.

Posted by: Varecia on March 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM | PERMALINK

An amazing collection of lefwingers. I suppose the real america comment comes from the East Coast or Left coast. Just remember, all of the trampling of the constitution by this administration will, at some point, come back to bite your side of the aisle. Like it or not you won't remain in power.

Posted by: MJM on March 31, 2010 at 11:36 AM | PERMALINK

In our Republican district, we have yet to receive the forms. The disenfranchisement appears to be coming from the the Obama Administration.

Posted by: Mike on March 31, 2010 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK

Mike -

Where is that? I am currently doing some temp work for the Census, and would be happy to pass along the report of a problem to the people I'm working for.

Or you could contact the Census Bureau directly.

http://2010.census.gov/2010census/contact/index.php

https://ask.census2010.gov/cgi-bin/askcensus2010.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php

Posted by: Robert Earle on March 31, 2010 at 4:12 PM | PERMALINK

"...all of the trampling of the constitution by this administration..." and "The disenfranchisement appears to be coming from the Obama Administration."

The projection, paranoia, and supreme lack of self-awareness on the part of rightwingers never fails to amaze, even when it's wholly to be expected.

Thanks for hitting your marks right on cue, MJM and Mike!

Oh, and Doctor Biobrain, I'm kinda partial to the DFH moniker, so I'm not in favor of retiring it.

Posted by: DFH no.6 on March 31, 2010 at 4:18 PM | PERMALINK

I second that Mike. I too live in a Republican district and two whole adjacent cities have not received the census form.

@Robert

Thanks for the link. I'm afraid allowing individuals to pick up a single form if they were missed does not make up for entire cities being, hopefully accidentally, left out of the census.

Posted by: LucidObscurity on March 31, 2010 at 6:22 PM | PERMALINK

Lucid -

If you tell me what city (or cities) I can pass that along to people who can in turn contact Census officials in your area. But you and Mike have to tell me where you are.

Or, again, call one of the 800 numbers at the web sites and tell them that whole cities are being missed.

Posted by: Robert Earle on March 31, 2010 at 7:14 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe there are other people in here just like me who thinks the same about this issue, because for me it isn't a big issue.

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