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April 13, 2010

TUESDAY'S MINI-REPORT.... Today's edition of quick hits:

* Nuclear Security Summit: "The final communique of President Obama's nuclear summit would commit the 47 nations in attendance to secure all nuclear material in four years, according to a draft of the document obtained by The Washington Post."

* Michelle Obama and Jill Biden make a surprise stop in Haiti.

* In a surprise move, Service Employees International Union President Andrew Stern is stepping down from his post, with significant repercussions for the labor movement.

* Gen. Ray Odierno is leaving his post in Iraq, and will be succeeded by Lt. Gen. Lloyd Austin.

* Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) sketched out his vision for what the Senate will work on over the next seven weeks. Immigration reform will have to wait until after Memorial Day.

* Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) wants hearings to investigate the Upper Creek mining disaster.

* In the meantime, Massey Energy CEO Don Blankenship may have a problem with his shareholders.

* And on a related note, Limbaugh thinks the union members at the mine should have done more -- not realizing this was a non-union mine.

* Another step backwards for reproductive rights in Nebraska.

* Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) warned Republicans today to expect up-or-down votes on all of President Obama's judicial nominees

* After evaluating Sarah Palin's remarks on nuclear arms, Fred Kaplan concludes she's a "total idiot."

* When institutions of higher ed get more selective and less generous at the same time.

* Conservatives won't like it, but the American mainstream wants the White House to care what international leaders think.

* A nutty birther in the Army refused to deploy to Afghanistan because he thinks the president wasn't born in Hawaii, and was will be promptly court-martialed.

* Ta-Nehisi Coates with the post of the day: "The Ghost of Bobby Lee."

* Given the "You lie!" fiasco, it's always just a little more interesting when Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) blatantly, shamelessly lies.

Anything to add? Consider this an open thread.

Steve Benen 5:30 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (69)

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Above is a copy and paste of the most popular list at the thinkprogress link above. Someone there pointed this out, but read the first five names. Getting any visuals?

Anyway, glad to see a union with $200 billion in investments and some with Massey, that they can speak up for the non union miners at Massey. And good old Limbaugh really is an asshat.

Posted by: flyonthewall on April 13, 2010 at 5:48 PM | PERMALINK

"A nutty birther in the Army refused to deploy to Afghanistan because he thinks the president wasn't born in Hawaii, and was promptly court-martialed."

HEH

As Chimpy Bush would say, "Bring 'Em On !"

Posted by: Joe Friday on April 13, 2010 at 5:55 PM | PERMALINK

RE: the Fred Kaplan piece, it looks like the phrase "former half-term governor" is catching on.

Posted by: Uncle Toby on April 13, 2010 at 5:55 PM | PERMALINK

And on a related note, Limbaugh thinks the union members at the mine should have done more -- not realizing this was a non-union mine.

More evidence of Rush's "Excellence in Bullshittery"

Posted by: Marko on April 13, 2010 at 6:02 PM | PERMALINK

"After evaluating Sarah Palin's remarks on nuclear arms, Fred Kaplan concludes she's a "total idiot"

Hmmmm that explains why the Obama adminstration retreated on nuclear weapons being used against non-nuclear countries if there was a biological weapons attack.

Posted by: Kevin on April 13, 2010 at 6:05 PM | PERMALINK

"Palin's a total idiot' to whom?
To big mouth, THIN-SKINNED liberal Obama asskissers like Steve Benen?

Posted by: Kevin on April 13, 2010 at 6:10 PM | PERMALINK

"And on a related note, Limbaugh thinks the union members at the mine should have done more -- not realizing this was a non-union mine."

"Not realizing"

should be replaced with:

"Not giving a shit that he was lying as long as he could badmouth unions despite the fact that "

Posted by: The DeMBA on April 13, 2010 at 6:12 PM | PERMALINK

"Palin's a total idiot' to whom?
To big mouth, THIN-SKINNED liberal Obama asskissers like Steve Benen?

naw, pretty much to everyone with a clue.

Posted by: zeitgeist on April 13, 2010 at 6:13 PM | PERMALINK

"naw, pretty much to everyone with a clue."
The lunatic, Nutroots Democrat party base has a clue?

Posted by: Donna on April 13, 2010 at 6:16 PM | PERMALINK

re: birther
"..and was promptly court-martialed."
Um, sorry but No. According to the link he was "informed that he would be" (future-tense) not "was" (past-tense) court-martialed.

Posted by: fact check on April 13, 2010 at 6:27 PM | PERMALINK

fact check,
Hmmm liberal Democrats don't need no damn facts-whatever they say is the truth no matter the evidence.

Posted by: Donna on April 13, 2010 at 6:30 PM | PERMALINK

"Palin's a total idiot' to whom?

Mr. Benen provided a clue for you (hint: it was Fred Kaplan). Didn't you follow the link? (duh)

But thanks for playing.

Posted by: Marko on April 13, 2010 at 6:30 PM | PERMALINK

How exactly is Joe Wilson lying? i'm not referring to the former political hack that said uranium wasn't in Niger when it was but the Republican congressmen. There will be in fact 16,000 new IRS agents needed to enforce health care bill. I know that's a shocker to the Soros-funded Media Matters outfit.

Posted by: Donna on April 13, 2010 at 6:36 PM | PERMALINK

"Soros-funded" is the tea-bagger way of saying "Jewish money" ... much like how "confederacy" is their way of saying "white power."

Posted by: Gonads on April 13, 2010 at 6:44 PM | PERMALINK

Gonads,
Well Media Matters, Stink Progress and Moveon.org are funded by George Soros. I'm not sure which is worse being a 'teabagger' or being a liberal with your head in your ass who is thin-skinned? hmm

Posted by: Donna on April 13, 2010 at 6:47 PM | PERMALINK

C'mon Steve, don't feed us that BS!

That soldier could have said he thought Obama was the "Second Coming" and would STILL face a court martial for REFUSING an order to deploy.

Posted by: marybel on April 13, 2010 at 7:00 PM | PERMALINK

Donna & Kevin might want to read redstate, or beck's blogs for their flavor of news.
The rest of us like 98% truth to our facts (thx Steve B). Those of TeaBagger persuasion are more comfortable with 110% bullshit.

Thanks for the daily wrap up Steve & Zeitgeist, for your zing.

Posted by: vwmeggs on April 13, 2010 at 7:03 PM | PERMALINK

NEIL ARMSTRONG BLASTS OBAMA'S ROCKET CANCELATION PLANS

The first man to walk on the moon blasted President Barack Obama’s decision to cancel NASA’s back-to-the-moon program on Tuesday, saying that the move is “devastating” to America’s space effort.

Apollo 11 commander Neil Armstrong’s open letter was also signed by Apollo 17 commander Eugene Cernan, the last man to walk on the moon; and Apollo 13 commander Jim Lovell, who is marking the 40th anniversary of his famous lunar non-landing this week.

The letter was released to NBC News just two days in advance of Obama’s trip to NASA’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida for a space policy summit. Obama is expected to flesh out his vision for the space agency's future during his speech at the summit.

The most controversial part of the president's policy is the cancelation of the Constellation program, which was aimed at developing a new generation of Ares rockets and Orion spacecraft to send astronauts into Earth orbit and beyond.

NBC NEWS

Posted by: Joe Friday on April 13, 2010 at 7:06 PM | PERMALINK

Well, I happened to be in NOLA during the SRLC, though I was there for the music (French Quarter Festival) and food, not for the primo leadership. I had a wonderful Palin-related experience in the Arnaud's ladies' room on Sunday morning.

This superannuated lady started chatting with me and volunteered that she was "here for The Conference." I asked her who her fave speaker was, Michael Steele? No, well, maybe, is that the black gentleman? she asked. I nodded solemnly. No, he wasn't too good, but Sarah Palin was wooooooonderful, just wonderful, really wonderful, soooooo unpretentious, just a perfect darling without any pretension at all in her!

I didn't mean to do it, but I burst out laughing and couldn't stop. Ma Redstate looked at me in bewilderment -- it was clear that it had never occurred to her that I might not be on her side -- and just then her daughter came barreling out of a stall wearing a size 3X or so jacket completely covered in a large American flag print. That set me off all over again and I just couldn't stop cracking up. I managed to squeeze past Daughter, who was now glowering at me under poorly applied maquillage, and sidle into the stall where I continued to laugh helplessly, now very close to wetting my pants. Daughter hustled Mom, who was rather piteously asking what was going on, out the door with an admonition not to talk to everyone you meet in ladies' rooms, Mama, you never know where these people are from. I was still crying with laughter when I returned to the table and it was a good five minutes before I could fill the third baseman in.

Posted by: shortstop on April 13, 2010 at 7:14 PM | PERMALINK

So where's the uproar on the targeting of American citizen al-Awlaki?

I visit here rarely now, but figured the blog would be plastered with posts on the topic. Yet there's only one little OBTW in all of April. Why the silence?

Posted by: Red State Mike on April 13, 2010 at 7:18 PM | PERMALINK

"The rest of us like 98% truth to our facts (thx Steve B). Those of TeaBagger persuasion are more comfortable with 110% bullshit."
After all, Kevin and I can't be like you-being a liberal with their heads in their ass who whines and rightwingers and people they disagree with. A left-wing zealot on a message board just insulted me. What am I going to do?

Posted by: Donna on April 13, 2010 at 7:36 PM | PERMALINK

A left-wing zealot on a message board just insulted me. What am I going to do?

i dunno. you could, i suppose, do the very slight research required to know that the 16000 IRS figure was absolutely made up and has no basis in fact? i'm sure there are other things you could do, too, but that one has the benefit of making you less likely to make a fool of yourself in public.


Posted by: zeitgeist on April 13, 2010 at 7:43 PM | PERMALINK

A left-wing zealot on a message board just insulted me. What am I going to do?

I dunno...maybe learn to write a little better so your sockpuppeting isn't so excruciatingly obvious?

Posted by: dead weight mike on April 13, 2010 at 7:44 PM | PERMALINK

With schools laying off teachers and public employees forced to take unpaid furlough days to try to balance the budget the Nebraska legislature decided to spend its time passing an unconstitutional law that will result in wasting precious tax dollars defending an indefensible position in court. Shame on them for thumbing their noses at women. How many legal medical procedures for men require a mental exam before they are allowed?

Posted by: Tired liberal on April 13, 2010 at 7:56 PM | PERMALINK


Fact checking is a good thing.

A public service message from Zeitgeist.

Posted by: zeitgeist on April 13, 2010 at 7:57 PM | PERMALINK

I visit here rarely now, but figured the blog would be plastered with posts on the topic. Yet there's only one little OBTW in all of April. Why the silence?
Posted by: Red State Mike

That's cute ... our visiting white trash is looking for an excuse to use the word "raghead" in polite company again.

Posted by: Gonads on April 13, 2010 at 8:02 PM | PERMALINK

Gonads, why are you OK with the US Government assassinating this American citizen?

Posted by: Red State Mike on April 13, 2010 at 8:10 PM | PERMALINK

Great story, shortstop - thanks for sharing! LOL

Posted by: Marko on April 13, 2010 at 8:31 PM | PERMALINK

Sarah Palin was wooooooonderful, just wonderful, really wonderful, soooooo unpretentious, just a perfect darling without any pretension at all in her!

bwahahaahahahahahaha! I'd always heard the entertainment was really good in NOLA.

Posted by: zeitgeist on April 13, 2010 at 8:38 PM | PERMALINK

Something to add to the list: A troubling article in the LA Times today bears follow up: "Inviting Palin Invites Scrutiny." Let's hope so. She was asked to speak at Cal State U's (state college) 50th anniversary gala on June 25, a $500/plate affair. It's raising questions about the private "nonprofit" foundation that is paying her, which refused to divulge her fee. The article says the foundation is housed on the campus, staffed by university employees, uses univ email accounts, telephones, computers, and other resources, and is headed by the univ president, H Shirvani. Moreover, "in the 23 campus Cal State system, more than 90 foundations and auxiliaries control $1.34 billion, about 20% of the universities' $6.7 bil budget..." In the 10-campus UC system, 10 major campus foundations hold $4bil in assets. I understand they may be trying to pick up the slack since the CA economy is hurting so badly, but it seems like this is really ripe for abuse. For ex, one loaded $1.25 mil to one of its former board members, who then defaulted on it.They also do things like support campus radio stations. Hmm. Remember when Newt tried to personally educate a new crop of college students in the New Republican Way? State Senator Leland Yee is looking into this and proposing a bill. But I wonder if it goes beyond abuse of funds and perhaps the far right is finding a way to influence higher ed in political ways? Anyway, this could have some interesting implications. Wonder how many other state schools around the country who are in hard times are welcoming $ from anywhere without worrying enough about the strings...

Posted by: pea on April 13, 2010 at 9:01 PM | PERMALINK

pea, you should buy her a ticket to Yemen. It's open season on American citizens there.

Posted by: Red State Mike on April 13, 2010 at 9:06 PM | PERMALINK

Gonads, why are you OK with the US Government assassinating this American citizen?
Posted by: Red State Mike

why would you think I was? unlike you, my morality is consistent without respect to religion, race, or creed.

Posted by: Gonads on April 13, 2010 at 9:10 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry. I started drinking at 10:00 a.m. again.

Posted by: Red State Mike on April 13, 2010 at 9:12 PM | PERMALINK

Because the silence here is deafening. You choose to look the other way and ignore an inconvenient truth, that Obama is doing what Hersh accused Cheney of doing.

Posted by: Red State Mike on April 13, 2010 at 9:13 PM | PERMALINK

I speak for principle. Am I the only one here who does? I call out liberal hypocrisy with my legs planted as firmly as my honor. Oops. Who the fuck put that chair there? Oh. Feeling a little sick. Beriteback.

Posted by: Red State Mike on April 13, 2010 at 9:24 PM | PERMALINK

What? Obama's putting out contracts on American citizens?

LOOK! SARAH PALIN!

Posted by: Red State Mike on April 13, 2010 at 9:24 PM | PERMALINK

Hey boys and girls moms and dads, we got us a new troll and its name is Donna . Please do not feed or water or respond to the troll as it tends to encourage it.

Thank you for your assistance

Posted by: johnr on April 13, 2010 at 9:25 PM | PERMALINK

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrscalp wound again. Fuck me! Bleed so bad, VA's not gonna like this. Fourth one this month. Orwasitha fifth? Just let me sleep a little while. Librul hypocrites! Librul hypozzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Posted by: Red State Mike on April 13, 2010 at 9:34 PM | PERMALINK

By the way, is al-Awlaki entitled to healthcare benefits under Obamacare?

Posted by: Red State Mike on April 13, 2010 at 9:41 PM | PERMALINK

I mean, what if the first attempt only wings him. Can he get free care?

Posted by: Red State Mike on April 13, 2010 at 9:42 PM | PERMALINK

Ta-Nehisi Coates with the post of the day: "The Ghost of Bobby Lee."

Bobby Lee as anti-slavery? the dude OWNED slaves. the only evidence that lee opposed slavery is a bizarre interpretation of a disingenuous statement in a letter he wrote along the lines that slavery hurts the slave master more than it hurts the slave. it's more along the lines of 'white man's burden' than a denouncement of slavery.

Posted by: mudwall jackson on April 13, 2010 at 9:48 PM | PERMALINK

"NEIL ARMSTRONG BLASTS OBAMA'S ROCKET CANCELATION PLANS" - Joe Friday

The Constellation program was a joke. A "stepping stone to Mars"? An even bigger joke. There is no way in Hell we can send anybody to Mars with our current technology. They would be fried in radiation before they get there. This is not a big secret.

So then what's the real purpose for spending hundreds of billions of dollars to go back to the moon? Seriously.

On the other hand, we get a much bigger bang for the buck with our unmanned space program. We have gotten more science from Hubble than, quite possibly, any other science program that ever existed. And we have a lot more on the way with the new generation of space telescopes.

Same thing with the unmanned explorers such as Spirit and Opportunity. We should send a couple of those to every planet and interesting moon in the solar system before we even think about Mars or going back to the moon.

Posted by: Marko on April 13, 2010 at 10:02 PM | PERMALINK

Q: How many trolls would it take to screw in a light bulb in a women's bathroom in NOLA?


A: It would, in fact, take 16,000.

Posted by: dannyshenanigan on April 13, 2010 at 10:03 PM | PERMALINK

Tired liberal,

The sad thing is, if those pregnant are in Nebraska either undocumented or otherwise deemed unworthy of Medicaid coverage, then they will be denied prenatal care.

Yes, only in Nebraska can you, like Gov. Dave Heinemann, pound your chest and claim that life begins at conception, but then deny healthcare for said life, if the mother isn't to your liking. Doublethink at its finest.

Go Big Red

Posted by: 2Manchu on April 13, 2010 at 10:45 PM | PERMALINK

Soldier to CiC, "You're not the boss of me."

CiC to soldier, "Get back to me about that in about five years of hard labor."

Posted by: Repack Rider on April 13, 2010 at 11:37 PM | PERMALINK

My goodness gracious me! It's been pissing funny rain here, while I wasn't looking. Tea-Potty trolls and frogs, seems like. Doubtless, due to some of that there fake global warming.

Typical Repub behaviour: come into your house uninvited, throw up all over your best Persian, punch the host in the face and whine about being misunderstood, when you call in the cops to remove the scum.

Posted by: exlibra on April 14, 2010 at 12:12 AM | PERMALINK

Marko,

The Constellation program was a joke.

Gee, I wonder why I think that astronauts Neil Armstrong, Eugene Cernan, Jim Lovell, Scott Carpenter, Bob Crippen, Walter Cunningham, and 18 others have a more informed opinion than you do ?

Posted by: Joe Friday on April 14, 2010 at 12:37 AM | PERMALINK

Dear Troll(s),

Political views aside, what kind of person does what you're doing? You're not even attempting to make any concrete arguments-- you're doing nothing more than hurling random insults at a bunch of strangers in a virtual room.

Would you do this in real life? If the answer is yes then you're worse than a troll-- you're a generally unpleasant, repugnant person. The kind of person that other people go out of their way to avoid. Not to mention that you seem to be the main cause of your own self-inflicted misery. It makes many of us actually feel bad for you. I don't think you realize that you generate far more pity than ire.

Move along, now. Go do something remotely constructive with your time.

Posted by: zoe on April 14, 2010 at 6:21 AM | PERMALINK

Zoe writes:

Political views aside, what kind of person does what you're doing? You're not even attempting to make any concrete arguments-- you're doing nothing more than hurling random insults at a bunch of strangers in a virtual room.

The strategy of right-wingers these days is simply destructive. Try to disrupt any actual thought where-ever it is found. Insult, tell lies, spread rumors, sow paranoia. The fact that people recognize it as lies/rumors/paranoia doesn't diminish its capacity to disrupt.

Posted by: Daryl McCullough on April 14, 2010 at 7:18 AM | PERMALINK

Gee, I wonder why I think that astronauts Neil Armstrong, Eugene Cernan, Jim Lovell, Scott Carpenter, Bob Crippen, Walter Cunningham, and 18 others have a more informed opinion than you do ?

Coincidence that they pretty much all have ties to the manned flight program? On the other hand, many others like James Van Allen have argued for years that manned flight is horribly inefficient and less effective than unmanned missions. And sorry, I don't consider any of your list of names "more informed" than Van Allen. Just more biased towards their own programs. Aside from the loss of life and the extreme cost, we have gotten a fraction of the science from the Space Shuttle program as from the probes, the Mars rovers, and the telescopes.

Posted by: zeitgeist on April 14, 2010 at 8:12 AM | PERMALINK

Red State Mike (the real one, not the troll), I'll take your question seriously if no one else will. Of course liberals are very disturbed about the order to assassinate Awlaki, and Obama has taken a lot of harsh criticism for it from his base. The moral issue of drone-strikes was disturbing enough, without adding the element that one of the Al Qaeda members targeted has American citizenship, even though he has apparently joined a group at war with the U.S. This decision appears to have been made based on information that they got from Umar Abdulmutallab (the underpants bomber -- you know, the guy who was so strangely cooperative despite not being water boarded or slammed into walls or chained naked in a cold room). And what Abdulmutallab told the CIA was evidently pretty scary. However, the obvious question is, why not take Awlaki alive? If they got important information from the underpants bomber using humane methods, wouldn't they get even more from a higher ranking Al Qaeda member? But the question then becomes, "Okay, how many American lives are you willing to sacrifice in the raid by ground forces that we would need to make in order to capture him?" In this case, as in so many situations in wartime, there are no good choices. That, of course, was why Sun Tsu tried to explain that you should never start a war except when it is absolutely inevitable, but for 3000 years no one has listened to that advice. And it's now seven years too late for us to do this right, by not invading Afghanistan in the first place. Once Bush made the decision that international terrorism was to be treated as war rather than crime, the car was headed for the cliff and no one had an emergency brake.

Posted by: T-Rex on April 14, 2010 at 8:22 AM | PERMALINK

On the other hand, many others like James Van Allen have argued for years that manned flight is horribly inefficient and less effective than unmanned missions.

With the technology in robotics now, much of the reasons to send people off the planet have gone away. That, and NASA has become so risk-averse (which is to say, we have become so risk-averse) that we can't do manned flight cheaply. Best to leave it to private industry and go full bore with robotic probes until we have an absolutely compelling reason to send people up.

Posted by: Red State Mike on April 14, 2010 at 8:25 AM | PERMALINK

T-Rex, our timing was impeccable.

I just spent 6 months in Djibouti at Camp Lemonier, which is right across the water from Yemen, so al-Awlaki is not a new topic. I was there when the underwear bomber tried to strike, and when the strikes in Yemen occurred. I understand the need and the desire to strike him, but question what slippery slope this heads us down. I'd like to hear what the legal justification is, and what safeguards are in place to make this a "one-off" and not a precedent for something that turns into a habit.


Back to "trolling"...LOOK! IT'S SARAH PALIN!

Posted by: Red State Mike on April 14, 2010 at 8:32 AM | PERMALINK

"Gee, I wonder why I think that astronauts Neil Armstrong, Eugene Cernan, Jim Lovell, Scott Carpenter, Bob Crippen, Walter Cunningham, and 18 others have a more informed opinion than you do?" - Joe Friday

I'm sure they do, Joe. And no disrespect to them or the great programs they participated in. They truly are our modern day heroes.

But the fact remains, there is NO WAY WE CAN GO TO MARS with any known technology. Sure, they are building the rockets, but we still cannot adequately shield humans outside of the Van Allen Belt. Once you come to grips with that fact, you must accept that whole the idea of going to Mars is a White Elephant.

I know the astronauts are deeply disappointed. Actually, I am too. America without a human space flight program just doesn't seem right. I am very excited though to see what Obama's plan will be tomorrow. I will withhold further judgment until then.

Posted by: Marko on April 14, 2010 at 8:37 AM | PERMALINK

zeitgeist,

"And sorry, I don't consider any of your list of names 'more informed' than Van Allen."

Too bad for you I never made such an assertion.

Posted by: Joe Friday on April 14, 2010 at 10:29 AM | PERMALINK

Too bad for you I never made such an assertion.

All righty. Then we're left with this: guys who participated in the manned space program really like the manned space program, and they know more than layman zeitgeist, but they don't know more than Van Allen and others, who agree with zeit that the cost-effectiveness, efficacy and scientific yield of the unmanned ventures far surpass what we've gotten from the manned initiatives. Are we done yet?

Posted by: shortstop on April 14, 2010 at 11:34 AM | PERMALINK

Q.E.D.

Posted by: Marko on April 14, 2010 at 11:55 AM | PERMALINK

Are we done yet? Because we need to spend more time talking about SARAH PALIN!
Posted by: shortstop

Heh

Posted by: Red State Mike on April 14, 2010 at 12:31 PM | PERMALINK

Red State Mike: I agree with you that the ideas of drone strikes in general, and assassinations of an American citizen in particular, are very troubling. I'd like to see Awlaki taken alive and tried in an American civil court, per the Constitution. I just wouldn't want to be the commander who had to give the order to deliver that arrest warrant.

Posted by: T-Rex on April 14, 2010 at 1:01 PM | PERMALINK

The "win-win" in this case is if Yemen wants al-Awlaki dead, which they do since he is with AQ. In which case Yemen does the dirty work for us. Least worst approach.

Posted by: Red State Mike on April 14, 2010 at 1:08 PM | PERMALINK

Why does everyone clear every room I enter, online and in meatspace?

Posted by: dead weight mike on April 14, 2010 at 2:51 PM | PERMALINK

Because you prefer circle jerks over inconvenient truths

Posted by: Red State Mike on April 14, 2010 at 3:22 PM | PERMALINK

Everyone who knows me runs away from my peerless courage. It's so difficult being so right when everyone else in the world is so wrong! Hey, where did everyone go? I have things to teach you!

Posted by: dead weight mike on April 14, 2010 at 4:14 PM | PERMALINK

What "inconvenient truths"? Who here is defending the Obama administration re Awlaki, except in your hungover little head? Steve Benen not writing about something you think he should be writing about does not confer noble gadfly status on you. Haven't your delusions of relevance gotten you in enough trouble already?

Posted by: on April 14, 2010 at 4:20 PM | PERMALINK

Who here is defending the Obama administration re Awlaki, except in your hungover little head?

Who here thinks it is important to consider that the government is planning to assassinate an American citizen, other than T-Rex? Your panties were continually bunched over FISA. That was kid's stuff. I genuinely expected to see heated debate, not deafening silence. Or your trolling.

Posted by: Red State Mike on April 14, 2010 at 4:42 PM | PERMALINK

There's not many rules on this forum Mike, but one of them is, "you're not allowed to bitch over the content selection". You can send your suggestions directly to Steve, but don't whine if he doesn't print it. If you don't like it, then start your own blog. Other than that, troll on dude.

Posted by: Marko on April 14, 2010 at 5:49 PM | PERMALINK

shortstop,

Are we done yet?

I dunno.

Are you done creating a false Strawman so you could then pretend to knock it down by inventing something I never posted ?

Posted by: Joe Friday on April 14, 2010 at 7:22 PM | PERMALINK

Joejoejoejoejoe. When you're in a hole, stop digging.

You might look up what "strawman" actually means. While you're at it, look up "appeal to authority," the very thing zeit busted you on. And finish up with "you have no point." Because you don't.

Posted by: shortstop on April 15, 2010 at 9:36 AM | PERMALINK


Quite obviously, you’re the one with no substantive “point”, eh ?

Posted by: Joe Friday on April 15, 2010 at 7:51 PM | PERMALINK
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