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April 24, 2010

GUY FAWKES, NEW REPUBLICAN HERO.... Last fall, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) organized a right-wing rally on Capitol Hill for November 5, in the hopes of killing health care reform. After characterizing her followers as "insurgents" and "freedom fighters," Bachmann urged far-right activists to, in her word, "scare" federal lawmakers.

The scheduling of Bachmann's Capitol Hill soiree was a little disconcerting -- she picked a date widely known as Guy Fawkes Night. In other words, one of the country's most extreme lawmakers chose to rally right-wing activists, label them an "insurgency," and encourage them to roam the halls of Congress deliberately "scaring" members of Congress, on the infamous date that marks an attempt to blow up the Houses of Parliament.

Fortunately, 11/5 came and went without incident. But the Republican affection for Guy Fawkes has apparently not dissipated. Time's Michael Scherer had this report:

The Republican Governors Association has embraced the symbolism of Fawkes, launching a rather striking website, RememberNovember.com, with a video that showcases far more Hollywood savvy than one can usually expect from Republicans. Again, the Fawkes tale has been twisted a bit. This time, President Obama plays the role of King James, the Democratic leadership is Parliament, and the Republican Party represents the aggrieved Catholic mass.

The politics and substance aside, this strikes me as a remarkable bit of political messaging, not just for its cinematic quality. The RGA, under the control of Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, is clearly stepping out of the stodgy, safe territory it normally inhabits. It is aiming to tap into the vast well of anti-government fury now coursing through the nation. Who would have guessed that Barbour would embrace the symbolic value of the same would-be mass murderer as the Wachowski brothers?

Josh Marshall added, "I find this completely bewildering. The Republican Governors Association is embracing the mantle of a 17th century radical who tried but failed to pull off a mass casualty terrorist attack to kill the King of England and all of Parliament.... Nothing shocks me anymore. But this shocks me."

It's a reminder that the Republican mainstream made a right turn at scary, and have arrived right at stark raving mad.

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Are- are they going to be hero-worshipping Bill Ayers next?


Yeah... I officially give up trying to understand Republicans.

Posted by: becca on April 24, 2010 at 8:28 AM | PERMALINK

i think fawkes would be an excellent role model for the teabaggers... especially that whole hanging, drawing and quartering, and beheading part.

Posted by: mellow on April 24, 2010 at 8:36 AM | PERMALINK

How long before it becomes "Tsar Obama," and they scream for a Revolution this October?
I mean, that's the next (il)logical step, isn't it? If you can twist Guy Fawkes day into a rallying cry against American Presidential tyranny, why not take it to the next step?
OK, start with Louis and the French Revol... No, they can't do THAT! They hate the French. So, Russian Revolution it is!

The Republicans have already done far more damage to America than all of the non-existant "Fifth Columnist's" they feared could have done.

Oh, and Haley, you may not want to give these idiot's any idea's. One of the rocket scientists in your own state may confuse YOUR Governor's Mansion for the White House, or Parlaiment, and then where would you be? In 'a million little pieces.'

Posted by: c u n d gulag on April 24, 2010 at 8:38 AM | PERMALINK

I submit that the Repugs arrived at "start raving mad" when they embraced GWB as their candidate in 2000!!!

Posted by: Dancer on April 24, 2010 at 8:43 AM | PERMALINK

And the irony is, the reasons people are so angry with the federal government are basically all the things caused by the all-Republican government of (hush! nobody ever says his name anymore!) George Bush.

So President Obama and the Democrats get to reap the whirlwind that his predecessor sowed. How fair is that? How dumb are we?

Posted by: Zandru on April 24, 2010 at 8:45 AM | PERMALINK

They really need to pace themselves better otherwise there will be nothing new for them to accuse the President with come 2012.

I know that Cook thinks that the Dems. have blown their credibility with the voters, but I can't see how stunts like this are going to increase the respectability of the minority party.

Posted by: Chuck on April 24, 2010 at 8:46 AM | PERMALINK

The GOP has been taken over by the Budweiser Taliban for sure.

I can understand the opposition to Obama's policies. It's the job of the opposition party.

The slow unfolding, stupidly led, ignorant ravings of a spoiled brat tantrum complete with sedition and threats of terrorism, not so much.

I once joked that the Obama Admin would end up playing out like the great film Blazing Saddles, but I didn't know how true it would be.

Posted by: Former Dan on April 24, 2010 at 8:47 AM | PERMALINK

Steve,

Don't forget the stupidest part of this. The story of Guy Fawkes most likely in most people's minds in its adaptation into the movie V for Vendetta!!

In this movie, England has come under the bootheel of a fascist, far-right government.
Guy Fawkes is represented by the mysterious "V", a "terrorist"/"freedom fighter" who devotes his life to freeing England from the oppressive far-right government.

The movie even makes a delicious parody of our own Rush Limbaugh. Louis Prothero is the chief government propagandist in the film who launches into radio and television screeds against undesireables and those people he casts as enemies of the state.

I wrote about it on my blog here: http://www.librarygrape.com/2010/04/republicans-are-making-common-cause.html

Thanks for finding this latest bit of insanity!

Posted by: Metavirus on April 24, 2010 at 8:51 AM | PERMALINK

Meanwhile, Mississippi has received in stimulus funds $1,934,120,358, which has helped create 6,921 jobs in that state.

Posted by: June on April 24, 2010 at 8:58 AM | PERMALINK

"the vast well of anti-government fury now coursing through the nation"

And just who is responsible for this alleged fury? Possibly the Administration whose regulatory negligence and nonfeasance let the Great Recession happen, which invaded another nation on false pretenses, and failed to protect the nation from terrorism?

Posted by: bob h on April 24, 2010 at 9:01 AM | PERMALINK

The vast well of anti-government sentiment serves to divert attention from the well of anti-privateer sentiment. Also, when did they complain about the "unitary executive" and such, proposed by their own neocon legal hacks like Yoo? We need to hear more reminders about that. Note that it's bad enough to express seditious sentiments, but we are still in a time of war. And is there ever going to be some kind of pushback, some revulsion and scolding from "the grownups" they hang out with?

Posted by: neil b on April 24, 2010 at 9:05 AM | PERMALINK

It appears that the GOP and Monty Python have merged. . .

Posted by: DAY on April 24, 2010 at 9:07 AM | PERMALINK

Are Republicans dumb or what? Don't they realize that Guy Fawkes Night is not to "honor" Guy Fawkes, it is to celebrate that his assassination attempt as part of a popish plot failed and that he was hung drawn and quartered, a popular move. Why else do they think the Guy ends up being burnt on the bonfire, a fate that many Papists of that era suffered.
Perhaps this means that Republicans are as popular as Papists were in seventeenth-centuary England.

Posted by: blowback on April 24, 2010 at 9:11 AM | PERMALINK

bob h
That's a very nice riposte . If you were actually phrasing those words to your intended audience it might generate a reaction that if not surprising you might lead to injury . You forget while asking a question , that the response according to political mugwhumps doesn't need to answer the question asked . Any petulant child knows this , why I can still remember , as a toddler , blaming my siblings for things .
So ask away ! I assume the answer to a hostile ear set will be ... YOU !

Posted by: FRP on April 24, 2010 at 9:15 AM | PERMALINK

Boy this relly takes the cake. Do these dillweeds actually think that these teabag nutjobs know enough about history to have a clue about Guy Fawkes. On thge other hand they could just tell them that he was a direct relative of Jesus and was doing the lords work. And now please send us money.

Posted by: Gandalf on April 24, 2010 at 9:20 AM | PERMALINK

I like the theme that mellow and blowback are following, and yes, the Republicans are that dumb: pick a plot that *failed* as your model.

The symbolism is perfect.

Posted by: ThomasC on April 24, 2010 at 9:24 AM | PERMALINK

Is it not great that the TeaBaggin/RepuGs have ever so many nights to emulate - Guy Fawkes, Kristol Nacht, The Night of the Long Knives - What next for Bachmann; will she misunderstand and pass out boxing gloves to her fans for Boxing Day?

Posted by: berttheclock on April 24, 2010 at 9:26 AM | PERMALINK

Small difference between Guy Fawkes and Ms. Bachmann. Guy Fawkes wasn't actually a member of the parliament that he proposed to blow up. One has visions of Bachmann immolating herself like Brunnhilde.

Posted by: davidp on April 24, 2010 at 9:28 AM | PERMALINK

Why haven't the Dems called out these extremists as terrorists and unpatriotic? 8 years ago if you said anything against the US gvt or any policy of the Bush/Cheney regime you were ostracized -- tell me why can't they come up with some kind of rebuttal....frustrating.

Posted by: wom55 on April 24, 2010 at 9:29 AM | PERMALINK

I guess I'm a little confused here. The rememberNovember.com website makes no references to Guy Fawkes. It may have been inspired in some weird way by that through the Ron Paul supporters use of it a few years ago, but is there anywhere that the Republican Governors Association or Haley Barbour have actually referenced Guy Fawkes?

Where is the connection being made?

Posted by: Vicki Linton on April 24, 2010 at 9:30 AM | PERMALINK

I always thought that advocating the violent overthrow of our government was illegal. Evidently not if you're a Rethug, or a teabagger - same difference. If a group of Muslim-Americans or African-Americans even had such a thought they would be behind bars or dead, but not our white homegrown wannabe terrorists. They get a pass in the name of free speech.

So if the benighted state of Oklahoma sanctions a private militia to fight the federal government, how is that not sedition? What choice does the federal government have but to counteract such a dangerous act? That's what 30 years of demonizing government has brought us to. Maybe Saint Ronnie is smiling in his grave. Maybe he'll come out of his grave to lead the valiant Oklahoma 'freedom fighters' in a triumphal revival of his most stirring roles. Oh, that wold be John Wayne, or Charlton Heston. They could all three compete for the part.

How much bloodshed will it take before everyone comes to their senses? Or are we already beyond coming to our senses?

Posted by: rrk1 on April 24, 2010 at 9:43 AM | PERMALINK

On top of all this there's a theory that Guy Fawkes was framed --an operation to discredit a faction at court surrounding the brother of the principal Catholic who was executed.

Posted by: cld on April 24, 2010 at 9:44 AM | PERMALINK

Can people please watch the video at the website? It's very disturbing but it doesn't advocate violence. And for the 99% of the US public who have never heard of Guy Fawkes, "November" is obviously a reference to Election Day. The point of the website is of course to raise money and do it through fear. There's plenty to be concerned about (not the least the not-even-thinly-veiled appear to racial fears) but let's look at what is actually there.

Posted by: Vicki Linton on April 24, 2010 at 9:49 AM | PERMALINK

Yeah, let's be careful about the supposed connection to Guy Fawkes. Forget Ron Paul, that doesn't prove anything. After seeing the video, it is clear that "remember November" is about the election of 2008, not G.F. Is there more than just the vague connection of being in the same month? You should say so, or otherwise it's sloppy presuming and does not help the cause of quality critique.

- tyrannogenius

Posted by: Neil B on April 24, 2010 at 9:53 AM | PERMALINK

(Vicki - I get your point as such about the video. However, there are other signs of literal sedition among Republicans such as the OK Militia proposal, Glenn Beck's rantings etc. I suggest to all, less careless thinking.)

Posted by: Neil B' on April 24, 2010 at 9:57 AM | PERMALINK

I watched the video, and I don't see any Guy Fawkes linkage. If it is there (subliminally?), it's far too subtle to connect with the everyday viewer. It's a slick video -- good "production values," as they say -- but I really don't think there's anything more to the slogan that the fact that elections happen in November, and "remember" rhymes with that.

The Republican Governors Association is many things, but subtle isn't one of them.

Posted by: Glenn Beck's Chalkboard on April 24, 2010 at 10:04 AM | PERMALINK

There's nothing about Guy Fawkes that I could find on that website. The video is just more of the same - heavily edited out of context remarks by Dems and claims the country is being destroyed. Business as usual. Remember November - the month in which we hold our national elections?

Sorry, but you guys are sounding a bit hysterical, and I find that disturbing. Unless there was a different video that's been taken down, there's some weird thought process going on here that doesn't speak well for our side. Out-crazying the crazies isn't my cuppa, for sure.

Posted by: Louise on April 24, 2010 at 10:06 AM | PERMALINK

(1) the repubs and their corporate banker masters are lucky Obama did not whip America in to a frenzy which would have resulted in the heads of the CEOs and directors of Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, CitiBank, AIG etc stuck on pikes outside the Stock Exchange.
(a) perhaps this is what makes them so angry, that logic and passion has succeded when passion alone failed.
(2) If they found Guy Falkes so entrancing, lets hope they don't see Julius Caesar. If "Brutus" starts being invoked, Obama should start wearing kevlar vests when speaking to Congress...
Congress.

Posted by: KurtRex1453 on April 24, 2010 at 10:07 AM | PERMALINK

Yes, yes, you're both right.
V for Vendetta was Alan Moore's rage against Thacherite Britain. And any of the GOP base who happened to see the movie hasn't a clue as to the identity of Guy Faulks or his deed.

It's all just Republican cultural cluelessness. Remember George Will confusing "Born in the USA" with a Lee Greenwood song? Or the campaign tunes hastily taken down when the original artists protested that they hated everything said candidate stood for--Heart, Sarah Palen, "Barracuda" being the most recent.

BTW, the Arizona GOP just lost the party the fastest rising demo in the country for at least twenty years, to appease the Sun City demo they already owned. Now THAT'S bewildering.

Posted by: Steve Paradis on April 24, 2010 at 10:43 AM | PERMALINK

Sorry, but you guys are sounding a bit hysterical, and I find that disturbing. Unless there was a different video that's been taken down, there's some weird thought process going on here that doesn't speak well for our side. Out-crazying the crazies isn't my cuppa, for sure.-Louise

I like critical thought, but I'll call bullshit on "some weird thought process going on".

First, Google Remember November and the first two hits are about Guy Fawkes.

Second, the video background audio is dripping with Dario Marianelli sounding music. I can't say for sure whether it's one of his scores or not, but it sure sounds in tune with the V for Vendetta soundtrack.

Also, I really enjoyed the Ab Lincoln quote about fooling people at the video's start. Projection is alive and well at the GOP governor's level.

Posted by: oh my on April 24, 2010 at 11:03 AM | PERMALINK

Well, I've never heard of Dario Marianelli, and to me, getting a strong Guy Fawkes reference out of background music that sounds like a soundtrack for a movie that was based on Guy Fawkes is rather a stretch. Where is Obama being portrayed as any monarch? I went to the website. Why would I Google? Of course there are google hits about Guy Fawkes - all that means is that comments have been published. The claim is about the website and not a google search.

Since I trust WM and the folks quoted, I can only assume that the video in question was taken down. Otherwise, the emperor has no clothes, and someone ought to point that out before he parades nekkid around the countryside, garnering deserved derision.

We have enough legitimate concerns with the opposition; there's no need to stoop to their level and invent something.

Posted by: Louise on April 24, 2010 at 11:38 AM | PERMALINK

Well of course they love Guy Fawkes ... it's the Fawkes News Network after all.

Posted by: firefall on April 24, 2010 at 11:53 AM | PERMALINK

Firefall, altho the critique of associating "Remember November" with Guy Fawkes is cogent and needs addressing, you have a winner with "Fawkes News Network." That may be a first, spread it around! I think it has potential to become the new standard put-down after "Faux" (which isn't even pronounced like "fox" except maybe in the tea-gag crowd - that term is my coinage unless I was scooped, whereas yours is pronounced the same.)

Posted by: Neil B. on April 24, 2010 at 11:58 AM | PERMALINK

(aww, upi402 on DU beat you to the punch by 8/1/06:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1783748#1785446)

Posted by: neil b. on April 24, 2010 at 12:32 PM | PERMALINK

Neil - agree wholeheartedly. "Fawkes News Network" is fantastic. The symbolism of spectacular failure to attack the power as well as ultimately going up in flames is perfect. Unfortunately, most Fox viewers won't have a clue who Guy Fawkes was and why it's so apt.

Posted by: Louise on April 24, 2010 at 12:35 PM | PERMALINK

Why are we even debating this point? They're traitors. All Republicans are traitors to their country and have been since the Impeachment. As an institution, they've been traitors since the 1930's with the Business Plot.

Posted by: Alan on April 24, 2010 at 12:41 PM | PERMALINK

Fawkes?!?

Man o man, Timothy McVeigh is going to be mighty p-o'd when hears about this!

Posted by: Monty on April 24, 2010 at 12:42 PM | PERMALINK

PS - I wonder how many of these Republican clowns considered 'V for Vendetta' a work of treason that glorifies terrorism when it was, you know, RELEASED FIVE YEARS AGO.

Posted by: Monty on April 24, 2010 at 12:46 PM | PERMALINK

Uhhh....what??

To all of you idiots yukking it up about how smart you are to know who effing Guy Fawkes is, good on you. Surely you can do better and find some kind of link between the Tea Party and Attila the Hun.

Morons.

Posted by: Nickman on April 24, 2010 at 12:53 PM | PERMALINK

I think the Republicans have brilliantly tapped into a long standing, innate distrust by Americans of their government. This distrust is historical and has always been there - logical or not. (I think it has much to do with the mythology of the West - see Frederick Jackson Turner.) By using words of righteous insurrection and tyranny, right wing news media - and now Republican politicians - have helped create a movement, one that is stimulating because of its righteous anti establishment cause, and one that has solidarity and kinship. (See 1960s.) I think there is only one thing that can stop it and that is exposing its sponsors - Freedom Works, the Chamber of Commerce, Rupert Murdoch, Mellon Scaife.

Posted by: Wally Sandaber on April 24, 2010 at 1:00 PM | PERMALINK

The oddest thing is that Republican's seem to think that 'Guy Fawke's Day' is a celebration of the attempt rather than what it is, a celebration of the foiling of the plot. They got their symbolism ass-backwards. Those burning effigies are not of James I, they are of Guy himself. Sheesh.

Posted by: Bruce Webb on April 24, 2010 at 1:04 PM | PERMALINK

Alan, anyone: more about "The Business Plot" please!
BTW: Join the Coffee Party Movement! "Wake up and stand up"!

Posted by: neil b on April 24, 2010 at 1:27 PM | PERMALINK

Adding to the irony is that Fawkes' ultimate motive was to prompt a French invasion of England which would eliminate democracy and put England directly under the thumb of Rome.

So once again Republicans are calling out for a foreign invasion to install a regime change.

Posted by: HoodooZephyr on April 24, 2010 at 1:46 PM | PERMALINK

Well, I've never heard of Dario Marianelli, and to me, getting a strong Guy Fawkes reference out of background music that sounds like a soundtrack for a movie that was based on Guy Fawkes is rather a stretch. Where is Obama being portrayed as any monarch? I went to the website. Why would I Google? Of course there are google hits about Guy Fawkes - all that means is that comments have been published. -Louise

I never claimed there was any overt connection between Fawkes and this video. But symbolism is powerful stuff, just ask the Germans or the modern day GOP. As for the connection between fawkes and the music used, the GOP never publishes credits when they rip-off other people's work, so I'm not sure where they got that score from. It sure sounds like it came from a motion picture though. If it did come from V for Vendetta, I think even you would concede this connection between fawkes and the GOP.
As for googling, my point is that references to the phrase "remember november" predominantly hit on fawkes related material. bing. dogpile. ask.com they all hit upon guy fawkes at the top of the list when that word combination is used. Please, don't tell me the GOP isn't aware of the connotation of this wording. I would, of course, require more info before coming to a conclusion, but this no "weird thought process" by liberals to question the symbolism of the video and website.

But of course the wingnut-o-sphere is abuzz with "it just rhymes"
Hotair-
Unless I missed something, though, there’s nothing in the vid itself nodding at Fawkes; the one and only supposed reference is the name of the website, and even that’s not quite right. The old rhyme about Fawkes is “remember, remember the fifth of November.” If I had to guess why the RGA chose the name they did, I’d inch out on the limb and conjecture that it’s because it rhymes

Posted by: oh my on April 24, 2010 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINK

It's a huge stretch. "Remember" and "November" DO rhyme.

Why aren't you more outraged by the lies in the video? That's what people are buying - those who see this ad don't even know or care who Guy Fawkes is and certainly won't make any such connection, but they sure want to believe that Obama and the Dems are the dishonest scum portrayed. This ad will work, and deriding some supposed esoteric far out connection to a historical figure most people don't even know about will not combat it.

Missing the boat here, folks. Or should I say "Fawkes"?

Posted by: Louise on April 24, 2010 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

Talk about a stretch! You bend so far over backwards to reach this fantastic conclusion that you may as well re-insert your head up your donkey-keester.

The people this ad is directed toward see clearly what the symbolism means. November = Elections. Red states = Republicans. Red check mark = vote Republican.

But, keep it up. You help the Tea Party Patriots by demonstrating your vile, delusional, yet darkly and unintentionally humorous, attempts to smear your betters.

Posted by: ray on April 24, 2010 at 3:51 PM | PERMALINK

How is this even news? All I got out of this article is that someone's panties are in a bunch.

Posted by: OscarDeGrouch on April 24, 2010 at 4:43 PM | PERMALINK

Remember, remember the Fifth of November,
The Gunpowder Treason and Plot,
I see no reason
Why the Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot.

This is a well-known "nursery rhyme" in the UK. Here in the States, most people have probably only heard it in the "V for Vendetta" movie.

It's possible that the Republicans didn't intend to conjoin their anti-government incitements and the Remember November website with Guy Fawkes. This could be all be a matter of unfortunate "branding" and a display of a different kind of stupidity.

Posted by: josef on April 24, 2010 at 4:45 PM | PERMALINK

While I'm a big fan of this blog, I feel I must point out that Guy Fawkes Day has a historical context in the pre-US linking it closely to our Revolutionary War and anti-taxation sentiments. The people of Boston celebrated the day every year with parades and all-out brawls to demonstrate their frustration with the British monarch and government.

http://display.5thofnovember.us/

One could argue that Bachmann is tying her own message to the interpretation of Guy Fawkes Day that occured on this side of the Atlantic - and to the same people for whom the Tea Party derives its name. However, I personally would be shocked to learn she had taken the time to research the history of the day enough to understand such fine distinctions.

Posted by: Allison on April 24, 2010 at 4:46 PM | PERMALINK

"You help the Tea Party Patriots (sic) by demonstrating your vile, delusional, yet darkly and unintentionally humorous, attempts to smear YOUR BETTERS*." ray @ 3:51 PM. (*my caps)

And that is what's at the bottom of all the teabagging: someone's forgetting their "place"!
Sure, it's not about race...

Posted by: Doug on April 24, 2010 at 6:17 PM | PERMALINK

As Lee Atwater would put it from Hell:

"You can't say remember the Reichstag! That's not cool. But you can appeal to the same anti-democratic, bigoted, addle brained would-be terrorist fascists by saying 'Remember November' and talking about some retarded guy from the 1600's. That's more abstract, but just as effective."

Posted by: LosGatosCA on April 24, 2010 at 8:58 PM | PERMALINK

"And that is what's at the bottom of all the teabagging: someone's forgetting their "place"!
Sure, it's not about race...
Posted by: Doug on April 24, 2010 at 6:17 PM"

No, it's not about race. It's about the content of character. Hence the reference to your betters, i.e., the Tea Party Patriots.

I'll defer to your expertise on teabagging.

Posted by: ray on April 24, 2010 at 11:37 PM | PERMALINK

As a British person I can't help but find the idea of right wingers using Guy Fawkes night as a rallying point for anti-government feeling, given that the English holiday is centered around burning Guy Fawkes in effigy.

It's essentially a holiday built on the notion of rounding up and killing anti-government terrorists.

Posted by: Nick on April 25, 2010 at 12:10 AM | PERMALINK

They are way toooo late suggest they urgently look at www.order-order.com the home of Guido Fawkes....now that IS a website!

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Posted by: JULIAN BRAY on April 25, 2010 at 10:36 AM | PERMALINK

Your modern Republican party: anti-terrorism when it suits them, pro-terrorism when it suits them.

Posted by: DH Walker on April 25, 2010 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

The postings on this site seem to have a lot of strange ideas about people that are concerned about the government spending away our children's future. It cannot be denied that spending since Obama was elected has exploded. This is true regardless of GWB's own spending problems. Many people want to stop the government from Bankrupting this country. That is all it is. There is no evil plot. The amount of hatred towards people that are just concerned about runaway spending is amazing.

Posted by: Scott on April 27, 2010 at 7:18 PM | PERMALINK

Do not. I warn you now. They will be angry. Very angry.

Posted by: Anonymous on April 30, 2010 at 3:23 PM | PERMALINK

I never thought I would see the day that the anarchist hero Guy Fawkes would be used as a fascist symbol. I have lost all faith in humanity.

Posted by: Anonymous on April 30, 2010 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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