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May 8, 2010

NEEDLESSLY KEEPING UP THE GIULIANI PRETENSE.... ABC News' "This Week" will have two featured guests tomorrow. The first is a good get -- Attorney General Eric Holder will sit down for his first Sunday morning interview since the attempted Times Square bombing last weekend. Between this week's developments, questions about the new Arizona immigration law, and the looming trial for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, having Holder on is a no-brainer.

The interview after Holder, however, is far less sensible.

[I]n a This Week EXCLUSIVE interview, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani explains why he thinks the accused bomb suspect should be declared an enemy combatant. Should terror suspects lose their Miranda rights and be stripped of their citizenship? Is a criminal approach to terrorism making America less safe? The man who has been called America's Mayor - the mayor of New York City on September 11, 2001 -- Rudy Giuliani, only on This Week.

This seems to be pretty reflexive for the national media -- if terrorism is in the news, it must be time to interview the former mayor of a city where terrorism struck nearly nine years ago. The assumption at news outlets is as common as it is bizarre -- terrorists struck New York, so the former mayor of New York must be an expert on terrorism.

But it's a mistake, not only to buy into bogus associations, but also to present Giuliani to the public as a credible, reliable voice on national security issues. He clearly is not. Giuliani's remarks on national security policy tend to be, on their face, ridiculous. Worse, his commentary tends to include claims that are wrong, poorly thought out, or both.

It's well outside the realm of opinion to note that Rudy Giuliani has, just in the last few months, repeatedly lied on national television about national security. He told demonstrable lies about the response to the Abdulmutallab case; he told demonstrable lies about the State of the Union address; and he told a demonstrable lie when he boasted on ABC, "We had no domestic attacks under Bush. We've had one under Obama."

Newsweek's Ben Adler recently noted that Giuliani's frequent "factual errors ... raise a legitimate question as to whether Giuliani deserves to be invited back to discuss foreign policy." And yet, Giuliani keeps getting invited back anyway.

Rewarding someone who deceives the public with more airtime does a disservice to the discourse -- and encourages more public deception.

About a month ago, Greg Sargent noted, "Someone needs to tell the bookers at the networks that the fact that Rudy Giuliani happened to get photographed walking through the smoke and dust on 9/11 does not give him any authority or credibility on foreign policy and national security issues."

That's good advice. There are conservative experts in national security matters, who have credibility and relevance in the contemporary debate. Giuliani isn't an expert, he has no credibility, and he stopped being relevant quite a while ago. He's the worst possible guest on these issues -- no substance, no honesty, and no depth beyond tired talking points. It hardly makes for must-see TV.

Steve Benen 10:40 AM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (29)

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"There are conservative experts in national security matters, who have credibility and relevance in the contemporary debate."

I'd just as soon see Giuliani. That seems better than watching the conservative experts lie their asses off to stab Obama in the back. I'd think differently if these folks ever came on and offered a reasonable perspective. But, it's been a long time since I can remember that happening.

NOTE: I saw Amb. Bolton on Bill Maher's show recently - stunningly reasonable comments. I was shocked and pleasantly surprised, and wondering where the other Bolton was hiding.

Posted by: Mark-NC on May 8, 2010 at 10:50 AM | PERMALINK

Like what, you expect to them have Richard Clark on?

Corporate Authoritarians are all about ego, it's not what you do, it's what you say you do, or did.

It's about bluster and rhetoric, and individual perception, to them.
Guiliani is no ones' mayor, is no ones' expert on miranda rights, or the constitution, but he says he is, and his Corporate PR machine says so, so the MSM says so too.
Friggin' circle jerk.

Posted by: Al B Tross on May 8, 2010 at 10:58 AM | PERMALINK

They have to have Ol' Rudy on.
I mean, he's the only former mayor of NY who's still alive, right?
It's like why Newt is always on. He's the only living former Speaker of the House, discredited, or otherwise.
WOW!!! What a great "get!"
Someone check if Joe L and Newt are still alive. Rudy would stick a shiv in Mother Teresa's back to get on a Sunday bloviation fest.

When the Hell does Amanpour start? I have some hope, at least for now, for some improvement.
Oh wait! Maybe that's the reason for the continous recycling of "Know-nothing's." Maybe there's some real hope after all. This's their "FAREWELL TOUR!"

Posted by: c u n d gulag on May 8, 2010 at 11:01 AM | PERMALINK

Why does ABC continue to reward losers like McCain and Guliani with TV spots? What ever happened to Vince Lombardi's credeo the only good loser is a loser period.

Posted by: Sean Scallon on May 8, 2010 at 11:02 AM | PERMALINK

"Rewarding someone who deceives the public with more airtime does a disservice to the discourse -- and encourages more public deception." Come on, man, Ailes ethics rule. Where you been?

Posted by: E L on May 8, 2010 at 11:04 AM | PERMALINK

Guliani lost any credibility on terrorism before 9/11 when he put the NYC command center in the WTC. Another Sunday morning I wont be watching TV.

Posted by: Just guessing on May 8, 2010 at 11:08 AM | PERMALINK

"Someone needs to tell the bookers at the networks that the fact that Rudy Giuliani happened to get photographed walking through the smoke and dust on 9/11 does not give him any authority or credibility on foreign policy and national security issues." -- Greg Sargent

It's worth repeating until someone in the corporate-controlled media notices -- The reason Giuliani was walking through the smoky, dusty streets on 9-11 was that because Giuliani located the city's crisis management center at the number one terrorist target. Giuliani was wandering through the streets because he had nowhere else to go!

And Giuliani had one thing to do after the 1993 World Trade Center bombing -- make sure that Fire Dept. and Police Dept. radios could talk to each other. He didn't get that done and as a result, on 9-11 emergency responders died needlessly.


Posted by: SteveT on May 8, 2010 at 11:11 AM | PERMALINK

The early '80s, when Rudy was indeed fighting the good fight against the narco-terrorists through his USA efforts out of the New York office by bringing the RICO statues to bear is the last time I heard of Rudy doing something productive.

Man, it's been a long time since then - and all Rudy can do now is nag, nag, nag! -Kevo

Posted by: kevo on May 8, 2010 at 11:15 AM | PERMALINK

To be fair they're probably having Guiliani on because this is a law enforcement issue and he used to be a prosecutor. A prosecutor who was once opposed to everything he says now about the way we handle terrorists. It's not like the GOP has any serious go to guys on prosecution of terrorists. Who are they gonna call? Fredo? Ashcroft?

Posted by: markg8 on May 8, 2010 at 11:18 AM | PERMALINK

the one upside of rudy gu911ani on the teevee is - as was demonstrated in the florida primary in 2008 - that the more people see of him, the less they like him. i believed this was the case in NYC prior to 9/11, too - all the nooyawkers i know hated him.

Posted by: mellowjohn on May 8, 2010 at 11:19 AM | PERMALINK

@kevo

I agree with you. I think when it comes to legal issues surrounding national security, rather than talking about something like nuclear disarmament, having him on the program is far more defensible. Is he any less likely to say hack-y, intellectual dishonest things? - of course not. But having worked in the Attorney General's Office and as a U.S. Attorney, he actually has some experience in this area.

Posted by: C on May 8, 2010 at 11:28 AM | PERMALINK

Oh, I'm sure the moderator will confine the talk with Rudy to his thoughts on marital relationships.

Posted by: berttheclock on May 8, 2010 at 11:32 AM | PERMALINK

Rudy is in NY and available. The networks are lazy.
A perfect storm.

Posted by: hornblower on May 8, 2010 at 11:49 AM | PERMALINK

Oh boy... let's hope Stepha-stupid-os asks Rudy for his view on Sarah Palin's comments about this...

Seriously... does _anybody_ take these bullshit Sunday morning shows seriously?

Posted by: Bluecrab on May 8, 2010 at 11:53 AM | PERMALINK

The networks aren't just lazy. What someone really needs to tell the bookers is to stop doing the bidding of their corporate Republican masters. Of course, we stand a better chance of seeing pigs land at JFK.

Posted by: dalloway on May 8, 2010 at 11:55 AM | PERMALINK

The Sunday morning talk shows are so bad I'm thinking about going back to church.
Praise the Lard.

Posted by: apeman on May 8, 2010 at 12:00 PM | PERMALINK

Rewarding someone who deceives the public with more airtime does a disservice to the discourse -- and encourages more public deception.

God bless America, but if that were the standard Newt Gingrich would have faded away when he left the House of Representatives.

Posted by: AK Liberal on May 8, 2010 at 12:02 PM | PERMALINK

I love how such self-proclaimed skeptics of governmental overreach as right-wingers are always so willing to hand over such arbitrary power to government.

Posted by: leo on May 8, 2010 at 12:22 PM | PERMALINK

rudy!s legacy:

Bernard Kerik:

cop
corrections commissioner
police commissioner
interim minister of interior for iraq (90-day hitch)
nominee for secretary of homeland security
consultant
convicted felon


Posted by: bkny on May 8, 2010 at 12:37 PM | PERMALINK

I will allow History to judge the Mouse Network---and I can guarantee you, History will not judge kindly.

Posted by: S. Waybright on May 8, 2010 at 1:02 PM | PERMALINK

noun, verb, 911
noun, verb, terrorists
noun, verb, homeland security

got it?

Posted by: Schtick on May 8, 2010 at 1:03 PM | PERMALINK

I'm not a Jake Tapper fan, but more and more on This Week he pushes back with reality when his guest (not the roundtable, of course) spout nonsense. My hope is that he does this to Rudy.

Posted by: Phleehome on May 8, 2010 at 1:07 PM | PERMALINK

I'm with Phleehome, and my sympathies lie with Rudy. It must be tough looking at himself in the mirror as he straightens his tie, preparatory to going whoring once more on national teevee, and knowing that if - this time - the host decides to question the accuracy of a single point in his narrative, the entire structure will collapse.

It's devastating for a liar who has grown to believe his own lies to be exposed as a liar in front of the world. And really, Rudy must be a bitter man inside. Just think, he was so close - twice - to being able to write his own ticket: once when he almost got Bernie Kerik into a one-hand-washes-the-other plushy government appointment instead of into jail, and again during the dizzying week or so that he was actually the front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination.

Just think; Rudy runs the risk of being exposed as a fool, every Sunday, for you. So you can be entertained. I just hope you have it left in you to be kind.

Posted by: Mark on May 8, 2010 at 1:52 PM | PERMALINK

I think the frequency of guests like Guilliani and McCain attests to the weakness of the republican bench. In comparison to Romney, Palin, Pawlenty, Barbour, Gingrich or any of the lesser known republicans who are looking to challenge Obama in 2012, Guilliani is an expert on this issue.

Posted by: Black Diamond on May 8, 2010 at 1:52 PM | PERMALINK

Didn't Rudy tell George Stephanopolous that no domestic terrorist attack occurred on W's watch?

I is so confused.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2010/01/rudy-giuliani-no-domestic-attacks-under-bush-one-under-obama.html

That nice George Stephanopoulos corrected Rudy on his ABC blog, after the fact, after George sat mute as a yard gnome during the segment, challenging not a word.

You cannot buy a finer broadcast media, can you?

Posted by: Elizabelle on May 8, 2010 at 6:53 PM | PERMALINK

Exclusive??? EXCLUSIVE??????? Isn't that like bragging about scoring with a prostitute?

The only thing LESS exclusive than a Sunday morning interview with Giuliani is a Sunday morning interview with John McCain.

Posted by: jvwalt on May 8, 2010 at 11:00 PM | PERMALINK

With the big ABC ad at the top of the page, and the preview of the Sunday show, how long will it be before this site goes the way of Politico and is flooded with ditto heads and the like ilk?

Posted by: Fed up and Tired on May 9, 2010 at 8:33 AM | PERMALINK

"Guliani lost any credibility on terrorism before 9/11 when he put the NYC command center in the WTC."

Yeah, well, you could say it was a judgment call, except his judgment was to use it as a f*ckpad, and he didn't want to drive to Brooklyn on his lunch hour.
Maybe George could ask him about it.

Posted by: Steve Paradis on May 9, 2010 at 9:54 AM | PERMALINK

"The mayor of New York City on September 11, 2001"

And for the eight years before that, from basically the first WTC bombing until the last one.

SteveT was incredibly nice about Rudy's accomplishments. And that the Institutional Memory loss reflected by kevo's post above--Rudy's performance in investigating Wall Street was a lot of Sound and PhotoOps, but his conviction rate was only slightly higher than Elena Kagan's.

Let's be polite and just note that Wall Street firms were always major contributors to Rudy's political campaigns, which came after he was in charge of prosecuting them.

Posted by: Ken Houghton on May 9, 2010 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK
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