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June 1, 2010

ABOUT THAT HEALTH CARE REPEAL PUSH.... Congressional Republicans apparently thought it'd be a straightforward exercise: tell angry voters that if they elect GOP candidates, the Republican majority will repeal the Affordable Care Act. The plan was not without flaw, as evidenced by Democrats daring the GOP to pursue this.

Regardless, in order for the pitch to work, Republicans need voters to actually want to see health care reform repealed. As the AP notes today, the public is still divided on the merit of the new law, but Americans "aren't clamoring for its repeal."

Instead, the public seems willing to listen to candidates who would give the overhaul a chance and fix or improve it as needed. That's the signal from some surveys and a congressional race in a bellwether Pennsylvania district. It's a pragmatic, somewhat counterintuitive outlook.

That could be a break for Democrats in the fall elections, since Republicans are campaigning hard for repeal of the health care law.

"Though most Americans still do not favor the law, they tend to be leaning toward candidates who would give it a chance and make some changes, rather than those who would repeal it and start over again," said Robert Blendon, a Harvard public health school professor who follows opinion trends on health care.

A recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found that the law is far from popular. But when respondents were asked if they'd back a candidate who supported repeal or a candidate willing to give it a chance, the latter had a 13-point advantage over the former. Among self-identified independents, it was a 17-point advantage.

What's more, a new 60 Minutes/Vanity Fair poll found that a plurality of Americans would prefer to see the new health care law be left intact, rather than face a full repeal, as Republicans demand.

This obviously puts a crimp in the GOP election strategy, especially since House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) has called repealing the law the GOP's "number one priority."

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So you're saying that John Boehner's measuring the drapes in the office of the Senate Majority leader might be a bit premature?

Posted by: Rick on June 1, 2010 at 9:35 AM | PERMALINK

Apparently public opinion has a well known liberal bias too.

Actually these polling results seem to support what I am experiencing out here in America. Not much love for the new law, but absolute repeal is a non-starter. A lot of the changes people know about are pretty popular.

There is a lot of support for changes to the law based on experience. The Democrats would be wise to get out front on that before the Republicans identify popular changes that can get behind.

Posted by: Ron Byers on June 1, 2010 at 9:37 AM | PERMALINK

So you're saying that John Boehner's measuring the drapes in the office of the Senate Majority leader might be a bit premature?

As Boehner is a member of the House, not the Senate, it would be presumptuous, not premature.

Posted by: DJ on June 1, 2010 at 9:43 AM | PERMALINK

Liberal bias , Oh
In the course life takes on
With all the brutes and their snakeskins
An oasis of peace
With none of the usual breach
Between facts and the factless
Othello and Iago
Sweet sweet liberal bias !
Who would deny this ?

Posted by: FRP on June 1, 2010 at 9:46 AM | PERMALINK

It's dangerous for Republicans to start believing their own spin.
The public never opposed the actual health care bill. They opposed what the Republicans said about the bill. Now that it's passed, the public wants to give it a chance, and it's much harder to lie about what it will do.

The one question you can never seem to get an answer to is:
Republicans are running on Repeal and Replace. Replace the bill with what?

Posted by: atlliberal on June 1, 2010 at 9:47 AM | PERMALINK

It would be presumptious but I heard just a couple of weeks ago that he was measuring the windows for drapes in the speakers office.

The fact is the "Party of No" pure obstructionist strategy has come a cropper.

Posted by: Ron Byers on June 1, 2010 at 9:47 AM | PERMALINK

Remind me again why the Republicans are going to win so many seats in November

Posted by: bcinaz on June 1, 2010 at 9:47 AM | PERMALINK

I dunno. COBRA's pretty popular too, but the House dropped funding for it. Now even fewer Americans have insurance than before the health care debate. Bravo Dems!

Posted by: Tom Allen on June 1, 2010 at 9:50 AM | PERMALINK

This obviously puts a crimp in the GOP election strategy, especially since House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) has called repealing the law the GOP's "number one priority."

Ah, no. The Republicans only ever have one election strategy and that is to keep lying until they find a lie that works. Also, their "number one priority" is whatever is polling as number one with their base that day. So today, Boehner will probably say a congressional investigation into Sestak-gate is the GOP's new No. 1 election prirority. In a month, it will be whatever Rush Limbaugh's panties are currently in a twist over and so on.....

Posted by: Oh my on June 1, 2010 at 9:56 AM | PERMALINK

i'm sure glad the polls show the herds are moving in the right direction!

i, like bob herbert this morning (one of the few voices of sanity left in the ny fucking times) would like less of a wrestling match with the criminally and insanely stoopid -- like Bone Ear and his ilk -- and some sensible CAN DO leadership...

The languid appreciation for the health care act, the auto bail out suck-sess, et al has to do with the nation being stuck with Bush like expectations of lowliness...

can't we get a god damn grip?

Posted by: neill on June 1, 2010 at 10:02 AM | PERMALINK

Your morning aphorism

especially since House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) has called repealing the law the GOP's "number one priority."

That was yesterday. And for Republicans:
Yesterday's truths, are the most fungible of all...

Posted by: koreyel on June 1, 2010 at 10:17 AM | PERMALINK

The issue isn't the size of the drapes , Dennis Hastert the glorious leader of the "Peoples" House during the idyllic age of everything , probably dealt with the same size window as the seditious harpy , Nancy Pelosi , usurper of the Peoples House .
When we can focus on the matter of putting things to rights is the question . By mentioning the Glorious Drapes we bring to the fore the isolation of the Islamic Feminized homo'etc facsism and their Liberal cohort . Look at the destruction they have wrought and weep my droogs .
Copyright © 2010 Answers Corporation , following is a Wikianswers filter for ,

What are Barack Obama's accomplishments as president ?

Passing the "largest" economic stimulus bill in American history . Ordering the closing of Guantanamo Bay military detention facility and abolishing "enhanced interrogation techniques ."
Setting a fixed timetable for withdrawing U.S. combat forces from Iraq .
Ordering 21,000 additional troops to Afghanistan and enlisting , with modest new assistance, European allies in a new multi-layered strategy there and in Pakistan .
"Returning science to its rightful place" by lifting the Bush restrictions on federally funded embryonic stem cell research .
Signing laws to expand children's health insurance (financed by a 61-cent per pack increase in the federal cigarette tax the adviser did not tout) .
Signing a law meant to improve the ability of women who allege pay discrimination to sue their employer .
Lifting travel and remittance restrictions for Cuban Americans who seek to travel more frequently to the island and send more US currency to their immediate family .
Appointed the first Latina to the US Supreme Court .

This nightmare continues ...

The drapes are an emotional chit for the hardworking orange man working on behalf of the , mostle wealthy , mostly white man . The full agenda of mercy has yet to be formalised as we are still taking suggestions . Please drop by and donate to the coming revolution , authored by you . For the sacred time where once again , wealthy , and mostly white people won't need to accept this cavalier attitude from others . Remember every time a rich man is insulted either by magic or by "Facts" he cannot manipulate , an angel is whipped to death .

Posted by: FRP on June 1, 2010 at 10:17 AM | PERMALINK

During the health care debate, progressives kept insisting that Blue Dogs should be punished in November (how this would result in anything but losing the Democratic majority was never clear) because they rejected a public option, wanted cover on abortion, etc. Some of us kept pointing out that progressives were bluffing (or hallucinating), because the public rarely punishes legislators who vote against something that passes.

(The electorate will sometimes punish legislators who prevent something from passing, and will often defeat candidates who supported something they didn't like, whether it passed or not -- but voting "nay" even on something popular rarely hurts. Popularity inoculates its own opponents -- look at all the Republicans who claim credit in the press for local pork they voted against.)

But I can only recall one major bill -- the catastrophic health care coverage act in 1988 -- which was passed, and promptly repealed. Seniors flipped when they realized their out of pocket expenses would have doubled and tripled under the law -- which was arguably a sensible reform, but the immediate costs to a key constituency that felt blind-sided killed it dead in less than a year.

I don't see anything like that dynamic this time. In 1989, literally hundreds of US Representatives were being asked in public, in their districts, why did you vote for raising our costs? Nobody had to be persuaded that was going to happen; they all got the Medicare notices. So the Congressmen all rapidly replied: 'I didn't realize that's what it did, so I'm moving to repeal it.' It was a stampede.

In 2010, Teabaggers will be asking Representatives: "why did you vote for the Obama health care reform, that will...' and then they will repeat claims that are not entirely credible. That's not much like 1988.

The House GOP is betting AGAINST the American public's deepest conservative sentiment, which is 'wait and see'. Basing an electoral strategy on Teabagger claims about health care pushes the public's skeptical-about-partisanship buttons.

Posted by: theAmericanist on June 1, 2010 at 10:37 AM | PERMALINK

Re: Tom Allen's comment about the House dropping funding for COBRA, it seems that some clarification is in order, because funding was not dropped altogether:

"People currently receiving the (65%)discount would remain eligible for a total of six months."

http://www.dailytribune.com/articles/2010/06/01/news/doc4c015efc79394753751803.txt

The funding would indeed affect those losing their jobs in June 2010 and afterwards, as the discount is no longer there for COBRA.

(But blame where blame is due. It needs to be noted that the GOP voted en masse to defeat this bill; add to that the usual gaggle of ConservaDems who exist for no other purpose other than to shiv their own, and this is what you get.)

Posted by: June on June 1, 2010 at 12:17 PM | PERMALINK

Republicans will believe what they want to believe. An since we all know Tea Partiers are speaking for "all Americans" and they don't like it - that means all of America doesn't like it.

Of course if, you know, they had the opportunity to do it they might be a wee surprised.

Posted by: ET on June 1, 2010 at 12:46 PM | PERMALINK

Alan Grayson Honors The Dead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV9TRoYMtjs&feature=player_embedded

I want to commend all of you for working so hard and being so strong at helping the whitehouse and congress begin to address our U.S. and Global healthcare crisis. You have been AWESOME! my fellow Americans and peoples of the World. America and the World is better and safer for it. My greatest pride is the knowledge that I am one of you. And that you really get it. You really understand the importance of it all.

There are some potentially very good things in the healthcare legislation. Especially with the reconciliation fixs. The Democrats, Bernie Sanders and the Whitehouse did a GREAT! job of fighting to produce the best healthcare legislation that they could. They have earned all our strong support. And we should give it to them.

But it was your relentless pressure and hard work that made the difference. Whatever good comes from this healthcare legislation, America and the peoples of the World will have each of you to thank. You were smart, creative, courageous and relentless. You fought together for the best legislation possible. And when you had to, you fought alone. No matter who stumbled and fell you continued to push and forge ahead. Fighting for the lives and health of the American people and the World. YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF YOUR-SELVES :-)

It may come to pass that future generations will look back on us and say that we were ALL Americas Greatest Generations. And that healthcare reform was our finest hour. You should be proud of our leaders President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, Majority Leader Reid and the many other Democratic and independent fighters for the people in congress. They proved them-self worthy of the leadership of a GREAT! PEOPLE.

But we are not done yet. This was just the beginning of healthcare reform, not the end. WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, ARE NOT! divided on healthcare legislation. The vast majority of you have been consistently crystal clear that this legislation does not go far enough. You want a strong Government-run Public Option CHOICE!! available to everyone on day one. And you want it NOW!

YOU MUST NOT ALLOW AN INDIVIDUAL MANDATE TO STAND WITHOUT A STRONG GOVERNMENT-RUN PUBLIC OPTION CHOICE! AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE.

WE THE PEOPLE have been crystal clear that we want an end to dependence on for-profit healthcare and the for-profit proxies called private for non-profit healthcare. The American people want the CHOICE! of a strong Government-run Public Option to replace their need or dependence on healthcare providers whose primary motivation is profit. Rather than providing the highest quality, easiest accessible and most affordable medically necessary healthcare possible. This is what the rest of the developed World has. And the American people want it too. They want healthcare ASSURANCE! Not, for-profit health insurance. And they want it NOW!

Now is the time to continue the push for a strong Government-run Public Option CHOICE! available to everyone that wants it on day one. Rationally its clear what we have to do to get this done. SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATS that supported you with a Public Option choice, and REMOVE as many republicans as you can. Not one republican in congress was willing to step across the isle to support a strong Government-run Public Option CHOICE!! available to everyone on day one. NOT ONE! Let no candidate prevail this November that does not support a Strong Government-run Public Option.

47,000 AMERICANS die each year from lack of healthcare. 120,000 die from treatable illness that dont die in other developed countries. Hundreds of thousands of you are dieing from medical accidents in a rush to profit. And Millions of you are injured. Millions more are driven into bankruptcy. All for the privilege of paying two to three times as much as any other people in the developed world for healthcare. HOGWASH!

Additionally, tens of thousands of you and your children were killed and millions sickened and injured from a terror attack with H1N1 (swine flu). Released on the American people and the World by the for-profit healthcare industry. All in an attempt to panic and frighten you into accepting the oxymoronic criminal enterprise of private for-profit healthcare (The most costly, deadly, dangerous, and disgraceful product sold in America). H1N1 is still sickening people and killing them. Especially children, the young and the middle aged. And there will be a third wave. These are the terrorist you need to worry about the most. Even the so-called international terrorist would not do something so INSANE! But greed driven medical profiteers would and did.

Apparently as far as republicans in GOVERNMENT are concerned, YOU! my fellow Americans CAN JUST DROP DEAD! Including their own family members. Fools!... Hundreds of thousands of you, and possibly millions of you will die from the long-term effects of your infection and poisoning with H1N1.

So my fellow Human Beings. Rest-up, Take good care of the basics (Balanced nutrition, hydration, exercise, rest and POSITIVE emotional supports). Then wade back into the FIGHT! for a strong Government-run Public Option CHOICE! available to everyone on day one. Drug re-importation, Abolishment or strong restrictions on patents for biologic and prescription drugs. And government controlled and negotiated drug and medical cost. You must take back control of your healthcare system from the Medical Industrial Complex. You MUST do it NOW! This is a matter of National and Global security. There can be NO MORE EXCUSES.

God Bless You My Fellow Human Beings. Im glad to know of you. And proud to be one of you.

See you on the battle field.

Sincerely

jacksmith WorkingClass :-)

Posted by: jacksmith on June 1, 2010 at 1:53 PM | PERMALINK

These numbers DO bring up an interesting conundrum for Republicans - run on repeal of a bill whose provisions all enjoy majority support; or pick out the least popular provision, which in this case happens to be the LEAST "socialist" of the bunch.

http://bit.ly/9bUwzk

Posted by: Yeggo on June 1, 2010 at 3:20 PM | PERMALINK

So many of the people say that they don' approve of the Affordable Care Act don't have a clue and are to lazy to get one. Those making an effort to understand are finding things that will benefit them and their families.

The republicans who lied to gullible people did them a disservice which is unforgiveable. But I blame the public who believed the lies.

What kind of mentality does it take to believe that death panels were going to be created to kill old people and babies? There are some serious mental faculties missing here. I still cannot wrap my mind around this type of thinking. But I guess there was no thinking going on.

One thing to remember is that the republicans opposed the creation of Medicare and Social Security. Paul Ryan and a few other republicans are openly talking about privatizatiing Social Security and cutting Medicare.

The sad thing is that all of those seniors freaking out about the death panels have fallen asleep and are not paying attention. They will the very ones to vote in droves for the republicans. Unless someone, like the so-called media, does some real reporting which we know they won't do.

Posted by: Sammy on June 1, 2010 at 4:32 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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