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June 1, 2010

AN UNFAMILIAR COURT.... Can you name one member of the U.S. Supreme Court? If so, you're better informed than nearly two-thirds of the country. If you can name all nine, you beat 99% of the population.

FindLaw.com released the results of its latest national poll, and found that only 35% of the country can name even one justice.

Clarence Thomas is the most well known justice but could be named by only 19 percent of Americans. Chief Justice John Roberts was named by 16 percent of people. Sonia Sotomayor, the newest justice, could be named by only 15 percent of Americans following a highly visible nomination and confirmation process last year.

The least known justice in the poll was Clinton appointee Stephen Breyer, who was identified by a whopping 3% of the public. John Paul Stevens, despite all the recent press about his tenure and retirement, was named by just 8% of poll respondents.

Sandra Day O'Connor and David Souter were both named as members of the high court, despite having already retired.

If you're reading this site, you're very likely more informed than the norm, but if you can correctly name all nine Supreme Court justices -- a feat I don't consider especially difficult -- you're part of just 1% of the country.

Steve Benen 11:30 AM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (59)

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And what percentage of Americans can name their Representative. . .

Posted by: DAY on June 1, 2010 at 11:33 AM | PERMALINK

Does it count when I sadly wrote the fat guy in the middle for Kennedy and the Spanish one for Sotomayer? I am getting old...

Posted by: KK on June 1, 2010 at 11:34 AM | PERMALINK

What's the percentage of lawyers in this country? I hope it is less than 1%.

Posted by: anon on June 1, 2010 at 11:34 AM | PERMALINK

"if you can correctly name all nine Supreme Court justices -- a feat I don't consider especially difficult -- you're part of just 1% of the country."

With so many ignorant/apathetic citizens, it makes me wonder whether democracy is, in fact, the best form of government.

(Joe Wingnut: We don't live in a democracy. We live in a republic!)

Posted by: Chris on June 1, 2010 at 11:38 AM | PERMALINK

Eight of nine ... damn it ... I missed Stevens.

If you really want to challenge people, ask them to name their state representatives, city councilmen, etc.

Posted by: KTinOhio on June 1, 2010 at 11:40 AM | PERMALINK

What's a Supreme Court? Sounds like some IslamoSocialist Nazi Communist organization. he only Supreme being in this country is God ..you know the guy that wrote them tablets.

Posted by: Mr average Glenn Beck Viewer on June 1, 2010 at 11:41 AM | PERMALINK

A democracy depends on a well educated voting population. Maybe that's a part of the problem.

Posted by: Jamie on June 1, 2010 at 11:43 AM | PERMALINK

This poll sure would be more entertaining if asked of Tea Baggers.

"I don't know who these Supremos are, but I'm against them because I want my country back!!!"

Posted by: Rochester on June 1, 2010 at 11:46 AM | PERMALINK

Jamie nails it. Of course, Republicans continue their efforts to dismantle and in some cases are actively seeking to remove entirely all government support of education. The decline of Social Studies (it's got the word SOCIAL in it!) has led to results such as these, but on a more fundamental level misunderstanding or complete lack of knowledge about (what used to be) elementary items, such as what each branch of government can and cannot do, what rights we have (for now), and especially how our nation was founded and why it was founded.

Republicans count on an uniformed, or more correctly, misinformed populace. They strive to reinvent history to make their criminal pursuits seem palatable, if not "American." Ignorant people vote Republican, after all.

Posted by: terraformer on June 1, 2010 at 11:49 AM | PERMALINK

Breyer was the tough get for me, but I did get him eventually without peeking. I do think the poll results say more about people's readiness to compete on Jeapordy than on their participation in democracy. Knowing your rights is more important than knowing names of people you can't vote for or against.

Posted by: Whick on June 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM | PERMALINK

7 out of 9. I forgot Breyer and Stevens, probably because I usually agree with them, and their opinions don't piss me off.

Posted by: Kris on June 1, 2010 at 11:53 AM | PERMALINK

Oddly enough I could name 6 judges on the US Supreme Court and yet cannot name a single person on my own Supreme Court of Canada (Beverley Something is one of them...I think). And yet the Canadian Court has been FAR more activist than its American counterpart in the last 30 years (It was the court and not Parliament that ended marriage discrimination for example).

Just another subtle reminder of how different our political cultures are I guess.

Posted by: neilt on June 1, 2010 at 11:54 AM | PERMALINK

Yep, I'm old too so I welcomed the challenge as a measure of how close Alzheimers is. Got 8 pretty quick and then couldn't take the frustration when I couldn't summon the guy with the name that begins with P or B...Breyer! I peeked.

Posted by: Frak on June 1, 2010 at 11:55 AM | PERMALINK

If you're the Republican Party, this is good news. The more uninformed the electorate, the better their chances.

I see things like this, and I think that "Brave New World" already happened, without the in-vitro "decanting."

Posted by: TCinLA on June 1, 2010 at 11:55 AM | PERMALINK

Got all nine, after wracking the brain to come up w/Stevens. Thanks due to C-SPAN which recently aired an in-depth "behind the scenes" series on the Court, complete w/interviews of the Justices. (Working in the legal industry and reading newspapers and blogs also helps.)

The results for the general public don't surprise me.

Posted by: FC on June 1, 2010 at 11:57 AM | PERMALINK

The least known justice in the poll was Clinton appointee Stephen Breyer.

Yeah, he doesn't make much of an impression. He was the last one I got. I also tend to mix up Kennedy & Stevens, but that won't be a problem much longer.

Posted by: Grumpy on June 1, 2010 at 12:03 PM | PERMALINK

I don't know. It's not terribly hard, but it's also not really a good measure of the quality of citizen you're talking to. After all, I can always look up a judge's name if I forget it. I'd rather have citizens who looked into issues they can directly vote on, and a detailed history of how their representative voted on issues. Of course, I don't get that either.

Posted by: Sisyphus on June 1, 2010 at 12:03 PM | PERMALINK

Steve, couldn't you have printed all nine names upsidedown at the bottom of the post? It's killing me not knowing.

Posted by: chrenson on June 1, 2010 at 12:05 PM | PERMALINK

Joe Wingnut: We don't live in a democracy. We live in a republic!

It has higher levels of Corruption and hasn't discovered Recycling yet, but at least the Senate tends not to interfere when you declare war on someone.

Posted by: ajay on June 1, 2010 at 12:06 PM | PERMALINK

Also, it's not a wingnutty thing to point out that we do live in a republic. We vote for representatives who generally suss out the business of government for us. That's a republic by definition. If politician is a job category and not a description of every private citizen, you live in a republic. Both require a certain engagement on the part of average citizens, but only one expects that an average citizen can walk into the halls of government and directly legislate.

Posted by: Sisyphus on June 1, 2010 at 12:07 PM | PERMALINK

And I don't know their individual names, but I do know that Diana Ross in the one out front. Duh!

Posted by: chrenson on June 1, 2010 at 12:07 PM | PERMALINK

every answer is technically wrong unless it has "Inc." following the name

Posted by: neill on June 1, 2010 at 12:09 PM | PERMALINK

A while ago, my daughter had to do a biography project (2nd grade). She did hers on Thurgood Marshall. Most of the other moms looked at me blankly when I shared that information. I found it dismaying that people didn't recognize the name of such a giant.
But then, maybe I focus on the Supremes too much - I can name all 9 of them, though it took me 30 seconds to remember that Stevens hasn't retired yet.

Posted by: gifgrrl on June 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM | PERMALINK

Is Earl Warren still alive?

Posted by: Viceroy Matt on June 1, 2010 at 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

Since we're keeping score, I'll brag that I'm very familiar with all nine. I took a business law class in college where the instructor encouraged us to be "court watchers." I always remembered that, and I am.

As a court watcher, when I read news reports of a SCOTUS decision and the votes for and against, I can almost always correctly determine how each justice voted without looking.

For example, if it's a ruling I like and the decision is 7-2, I know that Scalia and Thomas voted against. If it's a ruling I like and the decision is 8-1, I know that Thomas voted against 99 percent of the time (sometimes it's actually Stevens who voted against). If it's 5-4 and I like the ruling, I know which five voted for (Stevens, Ginsburg, Breyer, Soutomayor, Kennedy). If it's 5-4 and I don't like the decision, then Kennedy, Roberts, Alito, Scalia, and Thomas voted for it.

It appears that most decisions are 5-4. Some are 7-2 or 8-1 (with either Thomas or Stevens voting against). It's rare that we'll see a 6-3 decision with this court (I don't know if it has or will ever happen.)

(By the way, when I hear that a Supreme Court Justice cringes at the State of the Union when a Democratic President is speaking, I know that it was Alito.)

Posted by: Chris on June 1, 2010 at 12:13 PM | PERMALINK

7 of 9 in nine seconds (no coffee yet), but Jaime gets it right. Jefferson wrote: "No nation is permitted to live in ignorance with impunity." We see today what happens in a democracy after 30 years of spurning education (I'm looking at you, Ronnie, and your hatred of the UC system where people dared to ask questions!) and eight years of an abject incurious refusal to reference anything other than the gut -- a tradition for which La Palin is the new and shameless standard bearer.

Posted by: SF on June 1, 2010 at 12:15 PM | PERMALINK

"it's not a wingnutty thing to point out that we do live in a republic."

It is a "wingnutty thing" to say that we don't live in a democracy. To say that "we don't live in a democracy; we live in a republic" is equivalent to saying "I'm not eating a piece of fruit;I'm eating an apple."

Posted by: Chris on June 1, 2010 at 12:19 PM | PERMALINK

Those results are indeed appalling, but
you do this for a living Steve, of course naming all 9 doesn't seem tough to you.

Being unable to name all, or even most, of the justices doesn't really speak that badly of anyone. Not even being able to name even one, however, is beyond embarrassing and frightening.

Posted by: herman on June 1, 2010 at 12:20 PM | PERMALINK

I can name all nine easily. That and two and a half bucks will get me a (bad) cup of coffee and way too many sleepless nights for knowing way too much about how screwed/screwed up this country is.

I'm thinking that the people who know, say, four or five are well informed enough to make decent public policy decisions but not politically geeky enough to be in a state of worry all the time. I'm shooting for medium ignorance from now on.

Posted by: shortstop on June 1, 2010 at 12:23 PM | PERMALINK

@Chris, a professional court-watcher said recently that he's been the deciding vote on so many decisions, this can rightly be called the Kennedy Court.

Posted by: FC on June 1, 2010 at 12:26 PM | PERMALINK

It's easy, you just need proper mnemonic devices. For example, I remember four of them by just thinking of the word RATS.

Roberts, Alito, Thomas, and Scalia.

RATS.

Posted by: doubtful on June 1, 2010 at 12:45 PM | PERMALINK

Got all 9. Now will Scotty beam me up?

Posted by: jhill on June 1, 2010 at 12:49 PM | PERMALINK

Marketing 101 for future Sotomayors

Clarence Thomas is the most well known justice but could be named by only 19 percent of Americans.

Bait your steel traps with pubic hairs.


Posted by: koreyel on June 1, 2010 at 12:53 PM | PERMALINK

9. No wonder so many people seem stupid. Just watch that movie with Sandra Bullock and Hugh Grant, 2 Weeks Notice, where he tells her to name all 9. However that was before Sotomayor, so Souter is on her list.

Posted by: Patrick on June 1, 2010 at 12:55 PM | PERMALINK

chrenson @ 12:07...

mary wilson and florence ballard. barry gordy replaced ballard witn cindy birdsong in 1970.

Posted by: mellowjohn on June 1, 2010 at 12:56 PM | PERMALINK

Sandra Day O'Connor and David Souter were both named as members of the high court, despite having already retired.

Technically, they are still members of the Court -- they are just not "active" members. They still sit on the Courts of Appeals. For example, Justice O'Connor just released an opinion for the Ninth Circuit respecting the constitutionality on certain restrictions on voting by convicts in Arizona. The opinions list her as "Associate Justice O'Connor" and with a footnote reading "The Honorable Sandra Day O’Connor, Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court (Ret.), sitting by designation pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 294(a)."

Posted by: SCOTUS Nerd on June 1, 2010 at 1:01 PM | PERMALINK

I wish I could recall the name of the comedian who had the following bit, from the early 90s:

"America is not a serious country." (crowd is a little alienated) "No, we're not serious. Americans are not a serious people. (murmurs start, beginning of boos.) I'll prove it to you. Who is more important to us, than our veterans -- those who sacrifice so much for our freedom? Freedom isn't free, right? Who sacrificed to give us that freedom, huh? That's right, our veterans. And nothing is too good for them, right?' (crowd, still alienated, makes belligerantly affirmative noises)

'Okay -- so what's the name of the Secretary for Veterans Affairs?' (silence)

"Alright -- what was the name of the pig on Green Acres?'

(crowd shouts) "Arnold!"

Posted by: theAmericanist on June 1, 2010 at 1:06 PM | PERMALINK

Let's see now... Earl Warren, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Clarence Darrow, Judge Wapner, Judge Judy, Colonel Sanders, Captain Crunch, Flip Wilson, and Glenn Beck.

Amirite?

Posted by: jvwalt on June 1, 2010 at 1:09 PM | PERMALINK

I wish I were more surprised. I can usually name all nine justices, but sometimes I forget the chief justice's name. Yeah, it's the "Roberts court" now, but he makes almost no impression on me. (The lucky bastard was in the right place at the right time, already nominated for a court post when Rehnquist toppled over and opened up the top spot.) The gang of Scalia, Thomas, and Alito are all too easy to remember.

Posted by: Zeno on June 1, 2010 at 1:12 PM | PERMALINK

I'm pretty sure I can name eight, and a likely ninth: Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, Alito, Kennedy, Ginsberg, Sotomayor, Breyer, and coming soon, Kagan.

(My representative is David Dreier, to my eternal disappointment.)

Posted by: cmac on June 1, 2010 at 1:16 PM | PERMALINK

Eight. I too forgot Breyer.

Posted by: JoyousMN on June 1, 2010 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK

jvwalt:

You forgot Judge Dredd and Pigmeat Markham.

Posted by: scott_m on June 1, 2010 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINK

If you're so smart, Benen, can you name The Seven Dwarfs? Or The Seven Deadly Sins?

Lust, Avarice, Vice, Envy, Doc, Grumpy and Dopey.

Posted by: buddy66 on June 1, 2010 at 2:02 PM | PERMALINK

I also came up with 8 and missed Breyer. Dude needs to speak up a little more :)

Posted by: short fuse on June 1, 2010 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINK

Same as Kris.
Breyer and Stevens missed. They're pretty low profile.

If it's a timed test, does it help I got the 7 in about 30 seconds?

Posted by: toowearyforoutrage on June 1, 2010 at 2:12 PM | PERMALINK

Ugh..couldn't think of Thomas. As an African-American I think I was trying to forget he's not serving.

Posted by: Missjam on June 1, 2010 at 2:24 PM | PERMALINK

I can never remember the Spanish lady's name, but otherwise, I assure you that conservatives know full well who's on the court.

And we have every intention of stopping the steep slide to the left by whatever means necessary.

Posted by: Myke K on June 1, 2010 at 2:55 PM | PERMALINK

I keep thinking Warren Burger and Felix Frankfurter are still on the court, but that's probably because I'm hungry.

Posted by: Grumpy on June 1, 2010 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK

i understand the "this is a good trivial pursuit question, but isn't really indicative of good citizenship" line of thinking but I have to disagree.

that argument would hold up better were I not so sure that 2/3rd of Americans could name at least one American Idol judge, and probably more. it isn't that knowing all 9 Supremes by name is all that critical, it is what our choices on what we do learn/follow/know say about us as a citizenry that is troubling.

Posted by: zeitgeist on June 1, 2010 at 3:36 PM | PERMALINK

it isn't that knowing all 9 Supremes by name is all that critical, it is what our choices on what we do learn/follow/know say about us as a citizenry that is troubling.

And people don't even have the "But they're not an entertainment train wreck so they're too boring for me" excuse. Scalia's temper tantrums are legendary, and if Thomas's Coca-Cola cans weren't tailor-made for the prurient tastes of the American viewing public, what is?

Posted by: shortstop on June 1, 2010 at 5:50 PM | PERMALINK

I got 8 out of 9 in about 10 seconds. Like others, I got stuck on Stephen Breyer, I'm afraid to say. Is he the stealth justice, or what???

Posted by: Catherine on June 1, 2010 at 5:57 PM | PERMALINK

I pride myself on keeping current on all political matters and government policy....but I couldn't recall Stephen Breyer. Maybe he could appear on The Jersey Shore or a celebrity rehab show?

Posted by: Mongo on June 1, 2010 at 7:32 PM | PERMALINK

9/9... I have no life. :o(

Posted by: JTK on June 2, 2010 at 12:16 AM | PERMALINK

Just shows to go you that pubic hair on a Coke can IS memorable.

Posted by: Sarah Barracuda on June 2, 2010 at 1:22 AM | PERMALINK

How does one possibly benefit by memorizing the names of justices or representatives? Cool party trick. But seriously, in the extremely rare situation where you need to know the names of these people, just look it up.

Posted by: Tim on June 2, 2010 at 1:24 PM | PERMALINK

"if you can correctly name all nine Supreme Court justices -- a feat I don't consider especially difficult -- you're part of just 1% of the country."

That's funny, not only can I name all nine, I can name all 20 amino acids and draw their structures, a feat I don't consider especially difficult. Can you? Or are we both just being smug jackasses picking facts from our respective fields that we deem relevant? You do after all write for a column titled "Political Animal." Shock, you know some basic facts about politics.

The rest of the article seemed relevant at least, you might consider keeping the smug out next time because it is sad that many people cannot name one.

Posted by: Ryan on June 2, 2010 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

Ideally, we would not need to be able to name any of them since they would matter so little. Hasten that day!

Posted by: Mitch on June 3, 2010 at 10:42 PM | PERMALINK

Why can't we vote for Supreme Court Justices?Most states have voting for the robes?It just annoys me that Kagan and Sotomayor will be sitting where Learned Hand and Felix Frankfurter sat.

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