Editore"s Note
Tilting at Windmills

Email Newsletter icon, E-mail Newsletter icon, Email List icon, E-mail List icon Sign up for Free News & Updates

June 25, 2010

KYL STARTS WALKING BACK BOGUS CLAIM.... There was an odd dust-up earlier this week, with Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) alleging that President Obama had told him, privately and directly, that the White House would ignore border security unless it was part of a comprehensive immigration reform package.

In a video that made the rounds, Kyl said a town-hall meeting, "Here's what the president said. 'The problem is,' he said, 'If we secure the border, then you all won't have any reason to support comprehensive immigration reform.' In other words, they're holding it hostage."

The White House responded fairly quickly, coming awfully close to calling Kyl a liar, but the far-right senator stood by his remarks.

Every aspect of the senator's story seemed literally unbelievable, but conservatives ran with it, probably because Kyl told them a tale they wanted to believe.

Today, the far-right Arizonan decided to shamelessly walk back clarify the claims that never really made sense anyway.

Kyl tells us that the comments were "taken a bit out of context," and that the "they" he was referring to was the Left, "the president's base," and not the administration. "I did not try to start a fight...."

As Matt Finkelstein noted, "That's a far cry from Kyl's original claim, which pretty clearly implicates Obama." Quite right.

So, here's the question for Fox News and other conservative media outlets that heavily pushed Kyl's original story: will you be equally diligent in letting the public know about his revised version of the events?

Steve Benen 4:25 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (13)

Bookmark and Share
 
Comments

So, here's the question for Fox News and other conservative media outlets that heavily pushed Kyl's original story: will you be equally diligent in letting the public know about his revised version of the events?

Steve, why do you ask a question you already know the answer to?

Posted by: bassface127 on June 25, 2010 at 4:30 PM | PERMALINK

honestly Dad, I didn't punch him, he ran into my fist.

Posted by: Jamie on June 25, 2010 at 4:36 PM | PERMALINK

So, here's the question for Fox News and other conservative media outlets that heavily pushed Kyl's original story: will you be equally diligent in letting the public know about his revised version of the events? Steve Benen

No. Is an explanation really necessary.

Posted by: Ron Byers on June 25, 2010 at 4:43 PM | PERMALINK

The question is not so much what Fox will say, or how, since we all know the answer. The real question is to the other News Transcribers: will they report their Foxy sister and other "liberal" news outlets that ran with the original story? How soon, how prominently and in what depth?
I think we are all getting tired of the failure of the main stream information channels of our nation to get the story right er, accurate. They have no problem getting it Right. We'd like to be informed and be able to trust the information. Short of that, it becomes our responsibility, as individuals and communities, to share information and send it along, with respect, to others.

Posted by: st john on June 25, 2010 at 4:47 PM | PERMALINK

"Here's what the president said."

He has told at least one flat-out, unambiguous lie. There is his story about what Obama told him; and his outright denial of what he said even though it is on tape.

He has told lies. They should be identified as such.

Posted by: Algernon on June 25, 2010 at 4:52 PM | PERMALINK

It no longer matters. Like Death Panels and other lies before them it has already hit the general meme of Republican thought and by extension the MSN thought. I guarantee a few of you will be seeing this little tidbit added to that e-mail you get every week from your crazy uncle. And if you try to correct him he'll just shake his head and say Kyl was obviously presured by the WH to change his remarks in some type of 'Chicago style shakedown'.

It's also a good bet that within a month we'll hear this little tidbit pop up on Fox 'News' as an uncorrected side comment just like we still hear 'death panels' and birther stories pop up.

Republicans are masters of the subtle as well as the big lie. And while we may not see it reflected directly in the MSN coverage of Obama it will be part of the ether and the general narrative the MSN weaves around Obama.

Posted by: thorin-1 on June 25, 2010 at 4:55 PM | PERMALINK

This isn't the first time Kyl's tried to walk back this story.

Monday morning (June 21), when the story was first breaking, Andy Barr quoted Ryan Patmintra (Kyl’s press guy) as saying “the White House spokesman’s pushback that you must have comprehensive immigration reform to secure the border only confirms Senator Kyl’s account” (Barr, "White House Says Jon Kyl Story Not True," Politico). The most charitable interpretation here is that Kyl, who is of normal intelligence & knows this issue, somehow confused (1) a claim that, absent CIR, proposed border measures won’t be effective, for (2) an admission of intent not to implement effective border measures, absent CIR.

The following evening (June 22), in an interview on Greta Van Susteren's show on Fox, Kyl said:

Well, I, I’m not trying to make a big deal out of it. He just told me what he told me, and I accept that. We were talking about the difficulties of moving forward, and one of the things he said was that there are people on “his side” that, uh, uh, believe that, uh, if we secure the border, then people on, I think his words were “you guys,” meaning Republicans, uh, would be less likely to support comprehensive immigration reform. And, uh, that’s why they weren’t supportive of it.

So he already indicated here that Obama was describing the views of others, not saying that he himself refused to secure the border before Republicans made concessions on CIR. The NRO item just confirms this.

It's increasingly obvious that in his original comments Kyl was just trying to get to the right of a particularly fanatical group of constituents, & mistakenly assumed he could get away w/ it w/o the wider world ever finding out. It's a microcosm of the spinelessness & demagoguery of the whole Republican establishment in the face of the nativist radicalization of its base.

Posted by: K on June 25, 2010 at 5:13 PM | PERMALINK

I'd add that after Kyl gave this new version of Obama's comments — inconspicuously & w/o any hint that we was changing his story — Van Susteren continued to repeat the first, abandoned version as if it were the gospel truth. Even having Kyl state the new version to her face didn't knock her off line. Needless to say, the rest of the Fox schedule was no better.

Thorin-1 is right. Nativist activists have the advantage of a generation of assiduous organizing work. They can easily generate 2 or 3 new & utterly specious stories a day, which are transmitted seamlessly to Fox News, talk radio, & major rightwing internet platforms. By the time they're discredited, 10 new ones have taken their place. This is how they maintain nativist public opinion at a fever pitch.

Kyl's misfortune is to have been burned by the machine this time, which picked up & nationalized this story w/o weighing it's possibility to embarrass him.

Posted by: K on June 25, 2010 at 5:35 PM | PERMALINK

So, here's the question for Fox News and other conservative media outlets that heavily pushed Kyl's original story: will you be equally diligent in letting the public know about his revised version of the events?

Geez, what do you think Fox News is, a news organization?

Posted by: David Bailey on June 25, 2010 at 6:18 PM | PERMALINK

The 'false equivilance' machine will simply say "Yeah? Well Joe Biden said such and such, so it is almost the same thing. BOTH SIDES DO IT!"

Both sides DO NOT DO IT. Our lazy and corrupt beltway media needs to curry favor with all, to keep their access. They cannot tell the truth because those who lie will not agree to be interviewed next time. My question is simple: Why on earth would a journalist welcome an interview subject who lies to them? I guess whores like all paying customers.

Posted by: stratrat on June 25, 2010 at 6:30 PM | PERMALINK

It's blatantly evident that, contrary to the popular myth, voters are quite happy being lied to. They just insist on the right lie, which given, they consistently favor over messy fact.

Posted by: Jon on June 25, 2010 at 11:53 PM | PERMALINK

So, here's the question for Fox News and other conservative media outlets that heavily pushed Kyl's original story: will you be equally diligent in letting the public know about his revised version of the events?

So, here's the question for Fox News and other conservative media outlets that heavily pushed Kyl's original story: will you be equally diligent in letting the public know about his revised version of the events since there were no audio or videotapes?

There, fixed your question to reflect on the he said/she said double standard.

Posted by: flyonthewall on June 26, 2010 at 6:57 AM | PERMALINK

iPhone also supports Wi-Fi and the EDGE high speed data network. Wardrobe Essentials for Auntie The popularity of EDGE in the United States is very high, it is fast enough by using the EDGE network to access e-mail, maps, stocks and weather. If the phone has found Wi-FI network, iPhone would automatically switches. As we all know, Wi-FI's data transmission speed is faster several times than 3G. So, iPhone does not support 3G network, but supports two data transferring techniques, one slower than 3G, the other faster than 3G.iphone case


Posted by: Blackberry Series on July 21, 2010 at 7:51 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

Read Jonathan Rowe remembrance and articles
Email Newsletter icon, E-mail Newsletter icon, Email List icon, E-mail List icon Sign up for Free News & Updates

Advertise in WM



buy from Amazon and
support the Monthly