July 3, 2010
GOHMERT PRESSES HIS CASE ON TERRORIST BABIES.... Remember Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) and his fears about terrorist babies? He's now arguing to have some "proof" to bolster his case.
Last week, Gohmert made his case on the House floor, insisting that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution leaves us vulnerable. Since the measure says, in effect, that if you're born in the United States, you're a natural-born American, Gohmert thinks pregnant terrorists will come to U.S. soil, have babies who'll be American citizens, and "20, 30 years down the road," these home-grown terrorists can "help destroy our way of life."
Gohmert claimed to have talked to "a retired FBI agent" who told him national security officials believe "terrorist cells overseas" have "figured out how to game our system."
We all had a good laugh at Gohmert's expense last week, but the right-wing lawmaker is still pressing his case. Now, instead of relying on an unnamed "retired FBI agent," Gohmert is citing a conversation he had with a "lady on the plane." Here he is, making his case on the Fox Business Channel on Thursday:
"[I]t's not just a theory. It first came to my attention. Some of us were traveling to the Middle East last August, a year ago. And a lady on the plane was telling one of our group that they were about to have their second granddaughter. Her husband was with Hamas, her grand -- I'm sorry her son-in-law was with Hamas. And that they were going to do with the second as they did with the first grandchild. Daughter is going to come to America right before it's born on a tourist visa. Have the baby. They just like the option of having American citizens in the family. [...]
"We're bringing them over here on tourist visas, some illegally, letting them be born here and saying this is an American citizen. So come back in 20, 25 years when you're ready to blow us up."
Well, if a perpetually foolish member of Congress had a conversation with a "lady on the plane" last year, I'm ready to pass a constitutional amendment; how about you?
As a substantive matter, Gohmert's imaginary scenario is pretty farfetched. As Andrea Nill explained, "[S]ince 9/11, travelers from most parts of the world who want to come to the U.S. on a tourist visa have to undergo a rigorous process just to obtain permission to enter the U.S. They must provide evidence which shows the purpose of the trip, submit fingerprints and photographs, and undergo an interview by a visa officer at the US Embassy. The requirements for anyone seeking to obtain a green card, which include a criminal background check, are even more stringent."
Moreover, there's just no credible evidence that terrorists are using birthright-citizenship as part of attack plots scheduled for the year 2035. Not even a little. Gohmert opposes immigration, so he's making up a ridiculous scenario to scare people into doing what he wants to do anyway.
That said, given the right's interest in this, it's all but certain Congress will debate this in earnest in 2011 if Republicans retake the majority.
—Steve Benen 9:00 AM
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Obviously, Gohmert is the epitome of a Very Serious Person ™, thus he shall be invited to appear on any number of Very Serious ™ shows and interviews, and we must treat his every pronouncement as Very Serious ™.
Posted by: terraformer on July 3, 2010 at 9:10 AM | PERMALINK
We must immediately forbid pregnant foreigners from boarding flights to America. The risk is just too great.
Posted by: Al on July 3, 2010 at 9:15 AM | PERMALINK
I hope the FBI has figured out which flight he was on and thoroughly examined the passenger list.
Posted by: kp on July 3, 2010 at 9:24 AM | PERMALINK
Congressman Gohmert (Pile - D.U.M.B.).
And maybe years ago, a family came into the US, and after several generations got lucky enough and got what it wanted - a child idiotic enough to be elected as a Congressman from Texas.
This Congressman worked hard to surpass Bachmann, Pence, and others to be the Washington DC Village Idiot.
The jury is still out...
I hope the family is proud.
Posted by: c u n d gulag on July 3, 2010 at 9:27 AM | PERMALINK
Yet, he has no concerns about parents coming here on work permits and having their baby born in the US of A. Yes, Michelle Malkin has done a great deal of "ruining our way of life".
Posted by: berttheclock on July 3, 2010 at 9:28 AM | PERMALINK
It is a good day when Michelle Malkin is offered as an insight into the effects of speaking out of both sides of your mouth . For further study please examine the undisguised consequence of a permanent state of rage .
Posted by: FRP on July 3, 2010 at 9:39 AM | PERMALINK
Gomer is flying to the Middle East with peole who have relatives that are Hamas? Is this normal travel accomodations for republicans?
Posted by: ComradeAnon on July 3, 2010 at 10:05 AM | PERMALINK
I want to apologize on behalf of all of Texas for this moron.
I suppose he's noticed the large number of people of Pakistani heritage working as software engineers, and I suppose he's decided that they're going to destroy our way of life by developing really superior, addictive videogames.
Posted by: Karen on July 3, 2010 at 10:08 AM | PERMALINK
Excuse me, but what middle-Eastern woman would reveal to an American passenger that someone in her family was a member of Hamas? People will make up the most ridiculous stories. Years ago I knew a salesman who failed to have the paperwork he was supposed to have for his District Mgr. His excuse? A tornado hit his car (and only his car) and took all the paperwork way. Needless to say, this guy lost his job. Too damn bad the Texan idiot doesn't lose his.
Posted by: winddancer on July 3, 2010 at 10:32 AM | PERMALINK
Perhaps all of the "Aggie" jokes in Texas will be changed to "Gomert" jokes, as he has become the classic Aggie joke and he was, once, Captain of the Corps of Cadets at A&M.
The reason I mentioned Malkin, above, is due to her ranting about changing this constitutional provision, as well.
Posted by: berttheclock on July 3, 2010 at 10:46 AM | PERMALINK
Just recently I had a conversation with a young girl on a plane ride from Dallas to Chicago and she told me that Rep. Gomer,I mean Gohmert,regularly met with her father who was a grand dragon of the KKK. She said that they often spoke of overthrowing the US govt and reinstituting slavery.
Posted by: Gandalf on July 3, 2010 at 11:03 AM | PERMALINK
Maybe she was the wife of the "cab drivers" who give NYT columnists so much critical information on current affairs.
On the other hand, there may be some grain of truth in the story - I could easily see some American woman, amused/annoyed that the idiot sitting next to her thinks she's from the Middle East, making up some Bush-stuff to mess with his little pea brain...
Posted by: RepubAnon on July 3, 2010 at 11:05 AM | PERMALINK
So are you saying these dual citizenship kids WON'T be prime recruitment targets for terrorists?
Posted by: Michael7843853 on July 3, 2010 at 11:31 AM | PERMALINK
More excellent redirection by agent Gohmert, designed to make people overlook the diabolical conspiracy started in the 50s, a conspiracy of which he, himself, is the product.
Wild stories about Middle Eastern women on planes will certainly keep people from realizing how, decades ago, anti-American forces committed themselves to birthing a new generation of mind-bogglingly stupid racist bigots, morons in every way but equipped with the skills to game the electoral system and gain power, allowing them to destroy America's preeminent position in the world by making us all stupider and stupider, every day.
Posted by: biggerbox on July 3, 2010 at 11:48 AM | PERMALINK
I have had it with these motherf**king ladies on these motherf**king planes!
Sorry... someone had to do it.
Posted by: PattyP on July 3, 2010 at 12:07 PM | PERMALINK
Gohmert's idiocy is also based on the assumption that 25 years from now, the same terrorist groups that hate the U.S. now will still be around and planning attacks on the U.S. then.
Doesn't he think that in 25 years we will either significantly reduce the ability of these groups to carry out terrorist attacks, or else that changes in the Middle East or in U.S. policy might not at least have led them to redirect their energies?
Or is he assuming and even planning on the "War on Terror" being a permanent condition?
Posted by: tanstaafl on July 3, 2010 at 12:09 PM | PERMALINK
Maybe Gohmert just recently read the "Joys of Arab Women" email and thinks he has struck gold.
Posted by: Truthseeker on July 3, 2010 at 12:18 PM | PERMALINK
Hold on a second. Are these terrorist babies the ones who are decapitating Americans in Arizona? Devious. First they suck you in with their gurgling cuteness and then, WHAM, here comes the machete.
Posted by: josef on July 3, 2010 at 12:18 PM | PERMALINK
Josef: your comment at 12:18pm absolutely had me falling off my chair! Well done!
Posted by: winddancer on July 3, 2010 at 12:30 PM | PERMALINK
Excuse me, but what middle-Eastern woman would reveal to an American passenger that someone in her family was a member of Hamas?
The same one, apparently, who would discuss her daughter's pregnancy with a total stranger.
Posted by: g on July 3, 2010 at 12:47 PM | PERMALINK
Well, hey, if a Kenyan college student can marry a Kansas radical feminist in Hawaii, knock her up and get her to Kenya to have his son, give him an obviously Muslim name, get back to Hawaii without anyone noticing that they were gone, make it look like the kid was born in Honolulu, and have that kid grow up to be the first African-American President of the United States, anything's possible, right?
Posted by: Origuy on July 3, 2010 at 1:04 PM | PERMALINK
Does it seem like way too many Texas politicians suffer from some mind destroying chemical brain damage? It's almost like they have been exposed to huge doses of pesticides.
OMG! Tom DeLay smuggled children into the US and exposed them to pesticides to destroy their ability to think and reason. They only spout idiocy and are trying to take over the USA.
Posted by: madstork123 on July 3, 2010 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK
Btw, being pregnant is not a bar from entering the U.S. but intent to immigrate is, and according to what I have been reading, most immigrations officers and consular officials will deny entry to women who have previously given birth while in the U.S.
So, again, Gohmert's annecdote is doubtful at best.
Posted by: tanstaafl on July 3, 2010 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINK
There. Now I have started an Internet rumor that will appeal to the Republican base. It has no basis in fact and makes enormous leaps in logic to blame someone for the premise.
Posted by: madstork123 on July 3, 2010 at 1:25 PM | PERMALINK
Gohmert is absolutely right. Didn't we just catch 11 of those "terrorist babies", now grown up and breeding a new crop of apparent American citizens? 40 yrs and more down the road, and they're still working for Soviet Union...
Posted by: exlibra on July 3, 2010 at 1:27 PM | PERMALINK
And why was Gohmert' traveling with Hamas family members? Has he been 'turned', as Moscow Centre would call an enemy who has been coerced into becoming an asset.
Posted by: Moxo on July 3, 2010 at 1:40 PM | PERMALINK
Didn't a certain Egyptian leader require the firstborn children of foreigners in his country be slaughtered?
Will that be part of the Next Contract on Freedom pushed forth by the GOBP?
Posted by: Moxo on July 3, 2010 at 1:42 PM | PERMALINK
Gohmert's goal is to change the 14th amendment. The far right does not like the fact that being born here makes one a citizen. And, mock Gohmert if you will, but the use of unreasonable fear of terrorists has been a useful tool in driving much of the right wing political program. In this case the goal is cheap guest workers without rights and citizenship for their children.
Posted by: patrick on July 3, 2010 at 5:38 PM | PERMALINK
Well, in 1907, my grandmother was born on Ellis Island, and as a new citizen, she helped my great-gma enter the country, and her father smuggled himself in (illegally) and so I think Louie was probably right. After all, this baby citizen grew up to work all her life to raise two children who became scientists, and then she had 15 grandchildren, not one of whom ever even set foot in the Old Country.
Scary lady, my grandma.
Many, many of us, if not most, are descended from "illegal aliens". (Okay, if you're Native American, you're okay.) I am always amazed at the blinkerness of Republicans who seem to have so little recognition of the great gifts the non-native people have given to this country, not the least of which are generations of citizens. We used to think being American was a good thing for most everyone, not just Gohmert's chosen few.
Posted by: alix on July 3, 2010 at 11:54 PM | PERMALINK
... it's all but certain Congress will debate this in earnest in 2011 if Republicans retake the majority.
They're already running in large part on immigration, & will not implausibly claim a strong mandate for measures that many of us have been reluctant until now to think are possible. (Their slogans - "just enforce existing law" & "attrition through enforcement" - in effect call for forced population transfer on a scale not seen in the West since the Red Army swept through Central Europe.)
The House Judiciary Committee will fall entirely in the the hands of nativist zealots. The current Ranking Member & prospective Chairman is Lamar Smith of TX, a hardline former chairman of its Immigration Subcommittee. Gohmert (also of TX), amazingly, will chair its Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, & Homeland Security. Jim Sensenbrenner, who as full Committee chairman 2001-07 was perhaps the worst enemy of immigrants on the Hill, will become chairman of the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights & Civil Liberties. Steve King will become chairman of the Immigration, Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security & International Law; he would be the least fit chairman in the Subcommittee's 65-year history, worse by far than Francis E. Walter.
King, of course, has been another vocal enemy of birthright citizenship.* Last month he met in Arizona w/ Russell Pearce, the sponsor of SB 1070, who currently is working on the issue at the state level. Both King & Pearce have said they're continuing to work together on the issue. (Here as before, Pearce reflects the thinking of the FAIR lawyers, who want a state law denying birth certificates to US-born babies of illegal-immigrant parents. The idea is to draw the federal government into court, & hope the Supreme Court will overturn the long-held view that the 14th Amendment applies.)
[Note that King himself is only a couple of generations removed from immigrant penury. His grandfather was a birthight-citizen son of immigrants, a migrant farm worker, & left-wing radical. At the time of his death in a Sioux City charity ward, he was Iowa State Organizer for the Communist-front Workers' Alliance of America. Rep. King's parents were saved from similar lives of rural proletarian squalor (if not, on the evidence of their son, from the idiocy of rural life) by robust government intervention.]
* Minor semantic complaint: these people aren't against all forms of birthright citizenship. Their own children will continue to be citizens by right of birth to citizens, no matter where they're born. One could live one's entire life outside the US, never even have heard of it, & still be a citizen. This is a more hereditary concept of citizenship, & accords more with a hereditary - biological - idea of nationalism.
Posted by: K on July 4, 2010 at 12:50 AM | PERMALINK
So here's my guess. These terrorist cells will smuggle pregnant women into the U.S. and spend the next 18 years indoctrinating their offspring in the Jihad tradition. Then in the tradition of unruly and disobedient American teenagers, the children will become Presbyterian CPA's who live in nice suburbs. They'll all drive Toyota sedans, play golf, take their vacations in Florida and will be valued members of the Junior Chamber of Commerce. "Ismi Darrin."
Posted by: Mandy Cat on July 4, 2010 at 11:39 AM | PERMALINK
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