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July 23, 2010

MADDOW 1, O'REILLY 0.... On Wednesday night's episode, Rachel Maddow talked about Fox News' role in the Shirley Sherrod matter. "This is what Fox News does," she explained. "This is how they are different from other news organizations. Just like the ACORN controversy, Fox knows they have a role in this dance. That's not new; that's not actually even interesting about this scandal. Fox does what Fox does."

Bill O'Reilly responded on his Fox News program, "Which is kick your network's butt every single night, madam. And you have to be kidding me with this 'fake ACORN scandal' stuff? Unbelievable. Do you live in this country?"

Rachel responded on the air last night. If you haven't seen it, you should.

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Here's the kicker: "Because when you got all 'kicked your network's butt' and 'madam' on me, you really weren't trying to tout your network's ratings. You were trying to take the attention off me saying that your network, Fox News, continually crusades on flagrantly bogus stories designed to make white Americans fear black Americans -- which Fox News most certainly does for a political purpose, even if it upends the lives of individuals like Shirley Sherrod, even as it frays the fabric of the nation, and even as it makes the American dream more of a dream and less of a promise.

"You can insult us all you want about television ratings, Mr. O'Reilly, and you'll be right that yours are bigger -- for now and maybe forever. You are the undisputed champion. But even if no one watches us at all except for my mom and my girlfriend and people who forgot to turn off the TV after Keith, you are still wrong on what really matters, and that would be the facts, your highness."

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WOW.

Posted by: ScottW714 on July 23, 2010 at 12:44 PM | PERMALINK

Some days, some very hard days, I end feeling a bit better because Rachel Maddow is on the teevee, speaking the truth. She's one of our few televised lifelines to reason. Bless her!

Posted by: K in VA on July 23, 2010 at 12:45 PM | PERMALINK

I saw Rachel take-down last night, and then watched the replay for good measure. She is by far, THE BEST of the liberal media. Way.to.go.

Posted by: sue on July 23, 2010 at 12:47 PM | PERMALINK

You forgot to add other, important, things that she said as in: spoonge bob has more viewers every night than you do .... and hannah montana, the dead list catch , etc ......

Posted by: stormskies on July 23, 2010 at 12:47 PM | PERMALINK

Dr. Rachael Maddow, PhD for president in 2016!

And I'd love to see Susan as First Lady.


Posted by: SteveT on July 23, 2010 at 12:50 PM | PERMALINK

Madamoiselle Maddow is just so CIVILIZED !

Posted by: wilson46201 on July 23, 2010 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

Steve, I'd like to see Rachel give Scott Brown a run for his money for Senate 2012.

Posted by: sue on July 23, 2010 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

Ah, fact based punditry. Like a summer shower.

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on July 23, 2010 at 12:59 PM | PERMALINK

"...you are still wrong on what really matters, and that would the facts, your highness.

I think this is really where the roads take a split, I would argue that what really matter to BillO is ratings and what really matters to Rachel is facts.

And to a larger extent, this is one of the major contentions between the parties, money vs. integrity.

Posted by: ScottW714 on July 23, 2010 at 1:00 PM | PERMALINK

D*MN!

More of this, please! Hit him with the chair!

Posted by: thalarctos on July 23, 2010 at 1:02 PM | PERMALINK

There is some fun in imagining Bill O' speaking reasonably , as an equal before equals with Rachel . The bombast , the swaggering , and threatening nonsense is such a large part of his verbal tic that one cannot help but imagine 'Lord' Bill O' mildly smiling , while 'Lady' Rachel organizes an airtight humiliation for the fellow . It is out of character for Rachel to simply and actively humiliate anyone , from what I see . With 'Lord' Bill O' with his slightly outsize perversities the idea of holding conversation with him behaving in a socially familiar or responsible way is quite a reach .

Posted by: FRP on July 23, 2010 at 1:07 PM | PERMALINK

Now THAT'S a takedown!

Posted by: Kris on July 23, 2010 at 1:07 PM | PERMALINK

It was not just ego that O'Reilly was exposing when he bragged that he's got more viewers than Maddow. He was also expressing the fundamental difference between liberal and conservative media and their audiences -- which is: liberals are consumers of their media while conservatives are actually citizens of theirs.

Maddow has the "Rachel Maddow Show." Keith Olberman has "Countdown." But O'Reilly presides in a "No Spin Zone" that is a subdivision of "Fox Nation."

And by immediately responding to Maddow's criticism of him with an appeal to the size of his audience, O'Reilly was exhibiting another aspect of the group-think and tribalism at the heart of the conservative worldview: this tendency among right wing pundits to weigh their success not by the brilliance of their insights or the artistry of their articulation but by the sheer size of the crowd they are able to gather. Which makes sense since group consciousness and solidarity is the essence of all right wing movements, including fascism.

It's really quite remarkable when you stop to think about it. How many times have you heard Bill O'Reilly respond to a well-placed put-down from his relentless tormentor, Keith Olberman, by comparing the size of Olberman's audience to O'Reilly's own market share? And now he's done it with Rachel.

It's not about the quality of one's ideas, you see. It's all about the size and loyalty of the following you can build. No wonder the right wing is so obsessed with President Obama's legendary "charisma," or the "messianic" powers they imagine he holds over the teeming throngs he can hypnotize seemingly at will. Yet, when the right wing looks at Obama and sees a demon, it's really their own inner selves they see staring back at them instead.

Conservatives, unlike liberals, tend to wear their politics on their sleeve. Indeed, they often wear them on their T-shirts. "I'm a proud Ronald Reagan Conservative" is just the sort of slogan you might expect to see on a piece of right wing apparel. But why is it I have such a hard time picturing anyone on the left with a shirt announcing: "I am a Proud FDR Liberal?" I can't even imagine it on someone who still hangs a picture of the great man on their wall back home.

And it's this overpowering need that conservatives have to be a member of a group - and not just any group, but a group that is tightly defined - that makes them pleasant as companions but fundamentally unfit for the hard work of a democracy like ours, with so many different kinds of people, groups and interests that must somehow be woven together.

Posted by: Ted Frier on July 23, 2010 at 1:14 PM | PERMALINK

10-car pile ups, dog fights, and public executions would can draw big crowds, too, bill. is that the league you're saying you're in?

Posted by: mellowjohn on July 23, 2010 at 1:20 PM | PERMALINK

Rachel Maddow really gives insight to the news and her remarks about O'Reilly are the proof of the pudding. He's a cranky old white man who can't admit it when he's made a horrible mistake. Now he and Rushbo will dig themselves up to their waists, trying to prove why Sherrod is a fake or something else. Thank the Lord for Rachel and her brilliance. I don't think I could stand it, otherwise.

Posted by: Susan Klopfer on July 23, 2010 at 1:21 PM | PERMALINK

"you are still wrong on what really matters, and that would the facts, your highness"

The Fox News audience isn't interested in facts. They are interested in having their bigotry and fears and hysteria and bitterness validated, encouraged and elevated.

The only fact that matters to fox News is keeping their audience's rancid ego stroked and collecting the ad revenues.

Posted by: SaintZak on July 23, 2010 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK

I know I'm alone in this opinion, but for me this argument is a lot like me telling my son years ago that WWE wrestling is fake and hearing him defend it. Most of us know FoxNews is bullshit, but for at least 2 million Americans the network broadcasts pure, unvarnished truth. They're really not interested in what some ugly lesbian (their view) has to say about it.

If anyone can figure out how to reach those people with the truth, I'll be excited.

Posted by: Lifelong Dem on July 23, 2010 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK

To be absolutely fair, we progs also suffer from confirmation bias. But we are capable of changing our minds, given a persuasive argument with solid facts.

Rachael Maddow is just such a class act. I'm glad she's in our corner!

Posted by: Wolfdaughter on July 23, 2010 at 1:32 PM | PERMALINK

There's no way to reach those people. When you speak facts, all they hear is Charlie Brown's teacher.

Posted by: Mary Contrary on July 23, 2010 at 1:33 PM | PERMALINK

Rachel "Superb" Maddow lives in a fact-based country. Oh, those pesky little things that get in the way of a "good" story.

Posted by: xpatriate on July 23, 2010 at 1:38 PM | PERMALINK

I think what His Highness is saying is that he has an "outie of a certain size" and Madame Maddow has an "innie of a smaller size." Making comparisons of irrelevant "facts" is a fatal tactic and will, evenutally, lead to the recognition of the irrelevance of the person making the comparison. If mine is bigger than yours, what does that have to do with anything unless we are simply comparing the size of our respective appendages?

Thank you Billo for clarifying the point of the discussion.

Posted by: st john on July 23, 2010 at 1:42 PM | PERMALINK

Wow, just wow.

Rachel Maddow for the win.

Posted by: Nothing But the Ruth on July 23, 2010 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK

We have all watched as Keith, a former sportscaster and a longtime TV denizen, has crowed on those nights when his ratings, usually in a specific key demographic, have surpassed BillO's. That BillO would refer to ratings is to be expected. I am sure he thinks Rachel is another Keith. He would be wrong.

Her take on the world is simply different than either Keith or BillO, both consumate showmen and entertainers trading in political bombast. I like Keith better than BillO for the reason I like one professional football player better than another. Keith's comments fit my world view better than BillO's. But make no mistake, BillO and Keith are more alike than they would want us to believe.

Rachel is a Rhodes Scholar with a PhD in political science. She could be her own expert guest most evenings. She doesn't come from the same place as either Keith or BillO. Her takedown of Fox was detailed, authentic, compelling, entertaining and chilling all at the same time and in a way that is rarely seen anywhere today. It is obvious that Rachel isn't a professional " television journalist" outwardly devoted to climbing the professional "television journalist" ladder.

Her show might be fun for her now, but it isn't where she should be. Her mind and passion shouldn't be wasted on cable. We have got to get her a real job worthy of her talents.

By the way Fox doesn't have anyone who is remotely like Rachel. Nobody does.

Posted by: Ron Byers on July 23, 2010 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK

Tell us billo, ho much did your boss pay to bail you out of a sexual harassment suit, a few months ago? C'mon let's not have any secrets, we know you are fine outstanding liar among a chorus of liars.

Posted by: Ted76 on July 23, 2010 at 1:58 PM | PERMALINK

Unfortunately one of my former heroes of the internets, Bob Somerby of The Daily Howler, will be writing another blog post in the next day or two telling us how Rachel is exactly the same as Fox News.

Posted by: howie on July 23, 2010 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINK

howie wrote: "Bob Somerby of The Daily Howler, will be writing another blog post in the next day or two telling us how Rachel is exactly the same as Fox News."

If Somerby means that both Maddow and O'Reilly are on the air in large part to get certain targeted audience demographics to watch the commercials that actually take up the majority of the airtime of both of their programs, he is right.

Maddow isn't on the air because MSNBC has higher journalistic standards than Fox.

Maddow is on the air because MSNBC realizes that there is an audience of liberals with expendable income whose eyeballs are therefore marketable to sponsors.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on July 23, 2010 at 2:22 PM | PERMALINK

@Lifelong Dem re
If anyone can figure out how to reach those people with the truth, I'll be excited.

Dems should have no interest in trying to reason with diehard Fox viewers. Fox viewers are a small minority of the electorate. The media is interested in Fox viewers because they represent are white individuals with significant disposable income that watch television; you can advertise to that cohort using conventional means. Fox viewers tend to be older and thus their numbers will decrease as those generations pass on. But their votes are no more valuable than those in other demographics and they will never vote for Democrats. There are abundant data that indicate that those individuals are impervious to fact or reason that runs counter to their political preferences.

Dems need to ignore Fox or make those viewers pariahs in the eyes of the rest of the electorate. What Dems need to do is give the rest of the country a reason to come out and vote for the Democratic candidate.

Posted by: rk on July 23, 2010 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINK

As in all cases, the truth shall set one free!

Though I wouldn't necessarily agree with Rachel Maddow more than about 60% of the time, she researches, fact-checks, and puts a perspective out there that is credible - a far cry from the likes of any FOX media personality.

Bill O'Reilly is obsessed with ego, and massages the cult of personality so many of his viewers are prone to accept. He is (road) apples and Maddow is (fresh citrus) oranges!

I come and go with Ms. Maddow, but I never tune to Bill unless I've been drinking heavily and feel like punching someone out! -Kevo

Posted by: kevo on July 23, 2010 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

Maddow isn't on the air because MSNBC has higher journalistic standards than Fox.

In this piece, she seems happy ("goodie, goodie for us") that the stupid wresting show on USA network, which she calls a "corporate cousin," is making lots of money for the shareholders.

Commercial teevee is about making profits, not telling the truth.

Posted by: cr on July 23, 2010 at 2:38 PM | PERMALINK

On her worst nights Rachel Maddow is the best of the best. On nights like last night I just sit there gobsmacked. In two minutes she did more to pulverize Bill O'Reilly than all of Olbermann's overwrought screeds combined. She's wasted on MSNBC but, then, she'd be wasted on ANY cable channel and no major network is going to give her 5 hours a week. It'll be interesting as hell to see where she is and what she's doing five years from now ... ten ... twenty. In the meantime, we're all lucky to have her out there fighting the good fight.

Posted by: 3reddogs on July 23, 2010 at 2:52 PM | PERMALINK

My, what a long, long string of Rachel fans!

A small fact for those of us who would aspire to her brilliance:

She neither watches, nor even owns, a television. . .

Posted by: DAY on July 23, 2010 at 3:01 PM | PERMALINK

SecularAnimist:

I agree that it's all opinion TV and in that way it's all pro wrestling.

Somerby, however, is completely wrong in that he fails to see any difference in the personal ethics of Maddow as opposed to, for example, Beck.

Rachel has an opinion and she uses the facts that help her arguments. The Fox guys simply make thngs up or take things greatly out of context to make their points. There is a difference.

It would be great if everything was truly "fair and balanced" and all TV showed both sides completely and fairly.

It isn't, however, and purists like Somerby would have us unilaterally disarm and surrender the field to the right.

Sorta like how the Obama Administration handles FOX.

Posted by: howie on July 23, 2010 at 3:01 PM | PERMALINK

Ron Byers, just wondering what your reason is for saying negative things about one of the few prominent, successful media voices on the left. Trying to make a name for yourself, Ronno?

Posted by: Michael7843853 on July 23, 2010 at 3:41 PM | PERMALINK

Absolutely DN want Maddow to go anywhere - - she is too too valuable doing what she does!!!! Steve please please please redo your post with the good stuff included in there about all the shows that kick O-rally's ass on ratings ... hannah montana, the dead list catch , etc ......

Posted by: Steved on July 23, 2010 at 3:58 PM | PERMALINK

Thanks for the post, I missed Rachel last night - she is amazing.

Ted Frier - great, great comments - I wish I had said it.

I have nothing more to add. (My friends will tell you this is a first.)

Homer

Posted by: Homer on July 23, 2010 at 4:06 PM | PERMALINK

Given the previous night's offering, I'd make the score out to be Maddow 2, Fox News 0.

I wish we could clone her.

Posted by: stand on July 23, 2010 at 4:18 PM | PERMALINK
@Ron Byers: We have all watched as Keith, a former sportscaster and a longtime TV denizen, has crowed on those nights when his ratings, usually in a specific key demographic, have surpassed BillO's.

Olbermann knows O'Reilly thrives off of those numbers. So when Keith touts his demo ratings, it's obviously he's doing it to kick Bill's ego, not to show everyone who is the superior force on television.

Posted by: Penon on July 23, 2010 at 4:39 PM | PERMALINK

Maddow should have used my line:

Maximus: The time for honoring yourself will soon be at an end.
[Bows head]
Maximus: Highness.

Posted by: Maximus Decimus Meridius on July 23, 2010 at 4:56 PM | PERMALINK

Michael7843853: I know that Ron Byers can speak for himself, but I interpreted his comments as very positive, not negative at all. He's clearly a big Maddow fan.

Or are you referring to his take on Keith Olbermann? I don't think that his comments were meant to be critical of Olbermann, either. His comments about Olbermann were a rhetorical device. First, he establishes a standard of TV political entertainment with Olbermann and O'Reilly, and then he measured Maddow against this standard.

I would paraphrase his comment as follows: Olbermann and O'Reilly are both skillful political entertainers, one left, one right, but Rachel Maddow is a superstar, in a league by herself.

Posted by: PTate in MN on July 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM | PERMALINK

I heart Rachel!

Posted by: Dr. Morpheus on July 23, 2010 at 5:13 PM | PERMALINK

I used to watch W.F. Buckley for the very same reasons so many here watch Ms Maddow: intelligent, fact-based television. I mean, after all, Jeopardy's only on once a day!
I rarely agreed with Mr. Buckley, but he never failed to make me ponder WHY I believed/thought about some topic the way I did. His debating skills were high and he used them as ruthlessly as any Fox interviewer does the threat to cut someone's microphone. I even seem to recall him admitting to being wrong, which was unusual even then. As for today...!
Of course, there can't be anything like Buckley nowadays - Fox wouldn't air such a commentator and the other networks are already chock-a-block with Fox wannabes; aka "journalists"...
What's shameful is that what Rachel Maddow now does almost single-handedly, used to be a regular feature on every network's nightly newscast. It certainly helped keep the rabid right in check then...

Posted by: Doug on July 23, 2010 at 11:43 PM | PERMALINK

Rachel hit them hard.They are bunch of racists who spew racism everyday.

Posted by: Kembatcho on July 24, 2010 at 6:22 AM | PERMALINK

I'm old enough to remember when reporters reported the news, and weren't part of it. This sniping at each other and networks has become sniping across fences, and it shows how petty both sides are.

And yes, I understand Fox News pushes stories.

Posted by: zppawannabe on July 24, 2010 at 9:18 AM | PERMALINK

Rachel Maddow!!!!

You make my heart sing!!! Wow!!! There is something about an intelligent, articulate woman with a wry sense of humor that makes this world and "this country" a little bit more tolerable. God Bless You!!! I'm a workaholic who often works late and I can't sleep until I've seen your show. So starved am I for truth, facts, integrity, and other FOX Channel disposables!

Posted by: Black Man in "this Country" on July 24, 2010 at 11:12 PM | PERMALINK

Rachel Maddow makes me happy 95% of the time that I catch a glimpse of her show. The other 5% of the time, I'm too outraged by what she's reporting (well and factually) to be happy that someone understands what I want. I want stories, not spin, and I want someone with the guts to tell them without embellishment.

Watching her take down Fox makes me smile.

Posted by: Bridget on July 25, 2010 at 1:09 AM | PERMALINK

Pimp hand strong...madam

Posted by: Jake Haspel on July 25, 2010 at 3:34 AM | PERMALINK

Rachel Maddow distorts "news" as much as any other broadcaster. Including O'Reilly.

Posted by: Anti Maddow on July 25, 2010 at 12:05 PM | PERMALINK

Ouch, Bill got pWned.

Posted by: ive on July 25, 2010 at 12:06 PM | PERMALINK

yawn. Don't you ever get sick of this garbage? The country is in bad shape and we're focused on this. Whatever.

Posted by: patriotaxiom on July 25, 2010 at 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

I thought it was Obama that fired Sherrod and "ruined" her life?

Posted by: tj on July 25, 2010 at 12:40 PM | PERMALINK

Who is this dude and why does he call himself Rachel?

Posted by: Zuh on July 25, 2010 at 1:37 PM | PERMALINK

She is an idiot and a liar who hates America just like all the other idiot liberals. I will stop this video because I hate listening to idiots. Can't stand it.

Posted by: Bill K on July 25, 2010 at 1:42 PM | PERMALINK

ted frier said it well ; as did rachel -- keep fighting the good fight ~

Posted by: akashaman on July 25, 2010 at 2:08 PM | PERMALINK

I find this all so fascinating, truth be told, statically speaking that is, alternative media is kicking the living crap out of both networks, why you ask? The answer is simple, there all Government stooges with talking points directed at the dumb and asleep public who belive ANYTHING being read from a TelePrompter. However the asleep sheep are waking up to the BS and I can't wait for the Patriot uprising. Times they be a changing.

Posted by: One Free Man on July 25, 2010 at 2:39 PM | PERMALINK

Too bad she never mentioned that FOX news never even played or mentioned anything about this story until AFTER Shirley Sherrod was asked to quit by (as she said) the White House. Those darned 'ol facts just seem to keep eluding Maddow. In fact Glenn Beck didn't breath one word about her until the next day, when he in-fact SUPPORTED Shirley Sherrod! I just watched an interview with Chris Wallace interviewing Howard Dean, and he seemed pretty shocked to find out that FOX hadn't spoke a word about this story until after she had been forced out. Again, facts just don't seem to matter. Even after finding this out, Dean still was blaming FOX news for all of this.

MSNBC as well as Media Matters and the rest CONSTANTLY cut up clips to make Republicans look bad (deservedly so on occasion) and very rarely shows anything bad about Democrats. One of the Tea Party people that has been touted as proof that they are racist is of a very SICK white racist going on about White Power at a Tea Party. What they never play, is the video just a few seconds into that clip where other people in the Tea Party are asking him to PLEASE LEAVE because nobody there shared his views. He was asked to leave several times in the video, but Media Matters hasn't played that part of the tape. Again, Facts just seem to get in the way.

Posted by: chrispc88 on July 25, 2010 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

I think Rachel Maddow is hot, her intelligence is strangely arousing....

Posted by: KountChocula on July 25, 2010 at 2:46 PM | PERMALINK

Fox news and the majority of Republicans aren't racist. The tension is between a clash of old culture and new culture. The new "young" culture is apathetic and easily swayed by endless false promises while the "old" culture refuses to budge to make legitimate compromises. Anyone who watches Bill on the reg knows he gives a fair shake to everyone, especially in the last 2 years. People stopped watching csnbc and cnn because they are IN THE TANK FOR OBAMA NO MATTER WHAT. They are in the tank for black people, without any care or concern over the truth. WHY DOES ANYONE BELIEVE OBAMA? WTF world...how ignorant are you

Posted by: Drew on July 25, 2010 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK

Even from across "the pond", you rock!

Posted by: Blightyboy on July 25, 2010 at 4:18 PM | PERMALINK

Everyone wake up Rachel Maddow, Bill O'Reilly, and ALL the others are equally craptastically bogus entertainment....news my a$$...

Posted by: Travis on July 25, 2010 at 4:40 PM | PERMALINK

She is a treasure. She is not only very smart, but she can pulverize and do it with class. She never loses her cool, or her intelligence in the process.

She is wasted where she is, and hopefully she will continue to move upward. She speaks for many of us. Fox will never have anyone to match her, not ever. And she tells the truth. And she backs it up with facts. And as a politician once said to someone,"you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts." This is where Fox differs from Maddow. They rarely let facts interfere with a story they made up.

Fox is not a news organization. They are an opinion station. They try to masquerade as news.

Posted by: carol h. on July 25, 2010 at 4:46 PM | PERMALINK

Nobody ever mentions that Fox has all the cable and satellite companies in its pocket. Fox News comes with pretty much every pay TV package, whereas MSNBC always costs more. That's gotta have at least some effect on the ratings numbers. I for one am always forced to download the podcasts...

Posted by: Me on July 25, 2010 at 4:58 PM | PERMALINK

After reading through all the comments I am shocked that everything is boiling down to calling each other racists, bigots, or liars. Really? Both sides are spewing the same crap day after day. All the "news" these infotainers "report" is so slanted that you cannot believe anything they say. This clip further perpetuates the problem with media today. Stop listening to these tv personalities! Please reason for yourself. Ignorance is rampant on both sides.

Posted by: pdhure on July 25, 2010 at 6:22 PM | PERMALINK

I bet she eats a mean pussy.

Posted by: Mike Hibbidy on July 25, 2010 at 9:34 PM | PERMALINK

uuuuhhhhh.......is she a lesbian?

Posted by: me on July 25, 2010 at 10:05 PM | PERMALINK

Wow. Americans like her give me hope that we still have a chance of becoming a great country again. Despite the efforts of Faux and their fellow pundits to bring us down.

Posted by: Tracy Ford on July 25, 2010 at 10:23 PM | PERMALINK

*snarl, growl*

Yesssss, MaddowwOWOWOOWWw...

*purr*

Posted by: Mean Pussy on July 26, 2010 at 1:07 AM | PERMALINK

wait, did rachel MADDOW just come out to Bill O'reilly.

in more seriousness i see her replacing keif obeman as head anchor she's less intense and more insightful. you go girl! or to be more politically correct Madam

Posted by: nerp on July 26, 2010 at 2:16 AM | PERMALINK

Hey, I'm a liberal, but I can still acknowledge the fact that you, Rachel, have an agenda as well. Don't act so self-righteous because you, like Bill, have corporate sponsors.

Weezer rules.

Posted by: Ben Hogan on July 26, 2010 at 3:39 AM | PERMALINK

Go, Rachel!

Posted by: Katherine Cox on July 26, 2010 at 12:48 PM | PERMALINK

Wow, all these pundits on TV are the most self-righteous smug people of all time, I hate them all but when when Rachel Maddow talks I just want to run a drill through my eardrums.

Posted by: sadfsdf on July 26, 2010 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.'
-Ronald Reagan

Posted by: Teddy on July 26, 2010 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK

Truths are independent of sources. Keep laying it out there Rachel!

Posted by: Jim Nobles on July 26, 2010 at 2:02 PM | PERMALINK

You guys trying to dismiss ratings by saying things like "american idol" has big ratings Bill does that matter?......... When a team in sports reminds another team they won the championship and are top of the game its because they are! In TV world its all about the RATINGS !!!

Posted by: The truth on July 26, 2010 at 5:14 PM | PERMALINK

It would help with Maddow watched Fox once in a while so she would not have an excuse to lie about them. Fox said NOTHING about Sherrod until Obama had already fired her! That's the fact! The problem with Fox is that they gave Obama the benefit of the doubt that Sherrod had done something racist, while the present administration is so out of touch and irresponsibly does not check the facts. The moral of the story is that we should not trust the Obama comrades. No wonder no one wants to watch you, Maddow. And no wonder everyone wants to watch Fox! Somehow, with Maddow, failure is a badge of honor!

Posted by: Gregory on July 26, 2010 at 5:25 PM | PERMALINK

YES!!!! EXACTLY!!! TELL IT RACHEL!!

Posted by: Bob Beane on July 26, 2010 at 5:32 PM | PERMALINK

How is that a score on Maddow's part?! If she weren't able to use terms like, "race" and "white" and "black," she'd have nothing to report. Any idiot can spin those numbers the way they like, but the fact is that Spongebob's audience is HUGE because it is CHILDREN who nowadays just sit on their ever-increasing butts and watch TV all day.

And, like many others here have stated, she's completely full of it as always. The Administration barfed up that info on Sherrod before Fox said anything about it.

Keep trying. Liberalism must be awesome. It would be so much fun to live in a world of ideals only, devoid of reality, with gummy bear neighbors and rainbows and ponies... Get real.

Posted by: Reagan Fan on July 26, 2010 at 5:51 PM | PERMALINK

I cheered from my couch when this happened.

The funniest thing of all of this, though, is the floating ad on the right side of my page here that says "Obama Care Stop Him!"

Yikes...

Posted by: Adam S. on July 26, 2010 at 10:25 PM | PERMALINK

It appears that many Americans don't want the 'facts.' They want more crap/spin to support their twisted world view, so they stay tuned to Billo. The more correct information you hurl at them, the more intrenched they get in their (conservative) ideology.

I appreciate Rachel here; she really rocked this one!! waydagorachel!

Posted by: Nancy on July 27, 2010 at 10:55 AM | PERMALINK

I have to admit to never having heard of, let alone watched Rachel Maddow before this. I'd like to thank Bill O'Reilly for the introduction - I look forward to checking her show out now that I know about it.

Posted by: Amused on July 27, 2010 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

Right On Rachel. It's good to see someone actually back up their arguments with facts these days. I don't remember the so called news ever being so divisive as it is now. If you control information you control the world and the republicans own most of the news outlets today. It's a little scary. I'm glad there are people like Rachel Maddow.

Posted by: peace,love&brotherhood on July 27, 2010 at 6:17 PM | PERMALINK

Rachel,

Your fifteen minutes is almost up. Fox will win.

Posted by: Mustang from Texas on July 28, 2010 at 12:09 AM | PERMALINK

I've seen stupid people make fun of other people before. I don't know much about this scandal, which really isn't my point of reply.

I'm replying because, well, let's see, Bill said his network beat the other network and then this chick said so does Deadliest catch, and some other shit. Which, you know, doesn't really matter because I'm sure a lot of stupid shows beat out the news or news/opinions. The point Bill was making was that, of news/opinions stations, Fox was winning.

So I don't really give the chick a point there at all. Her claim was the same as saying, hey, that fat guy over there that weighs 2000 pounds has never been laid. Therefore, just because you're getting more ass then me doesn't mean that guy isn't fat. Right? Made no sense.

Anyway, it's easy to make fun of another person. Let's all go pwnd ourselves.

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