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July 23, 2010

THERE'S THAT 'I' WORD AGAIN.... The far-right Washington Times published two op-eds, on the same page, on the same day, demanding the impeachment of President Obama. One was from the perpetually deranged Jeffrey Kuhner, who insisted, "Obama has betrayed the American people. Impeachment is the only answer. This usurper must fall."

The other was from Tom Tancredo, the former Republican congressman and presidential candidate, and apparent Colorado gubernatorial candidate.

Yes, Mr. Obama is a more serious threat to America than al Qaeda. We know that Osama bin Laden and followers want to kill us, but at least they are an outside force against whom we can offer our best defense. But when a dedicated enemy of the Constitution is working from the inside, we face a far more dangerous threat. Mr. Obama can accomplish with the stroke of his pen what bin Laden cannot accomplish with bombs and insurgents. [...]

Mr. Obama's refusal to live up to his own oath of office -- which includes the duty to defend the United States against foreign invasion - requires senators and representatives to live up to their oaths. Members of Congress must defend our nation against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Today, that means bringing impeachment charges against Mr. Obama.

Keep in mind, Fox News found this insanity worth promoting.

All of this, of course, brings me back to a point that I continue to ponder -- how seriously are Republicans prepared to take this whole impeachment idea?

Obviously, President Obama hasn't committed any crimes, and there are no sane reasons for anyone to try to impeach him. But House Republicans have been known to take some stupendously crazy steps, so it's hardly unreasonable to ask now -- before the election.

Remember, throughout 2006, when Republicans realized that Democrats had a very good shot at reclaiming the congressional majority, one of the single most common GOP attacks before the elections was that Dems would try to impeach Bush and/or Cheney if they were in the majority.

The talk was so common that Democratic leaders, much to the chagrin for the party's base, declared unequivocally before the election that presidential impeachment was "off the table."

So, are Republicans prepared to also take impeachment off the table in advance of these midterm elections? Rep. Darrel Issa (R-Calif.) has raised the specter of impeachment. So has Michele Bachmann, who recently said, "Everywhere I go, people ask me, 'Michele, can we impeach the president?'" Not surprisingly, Fox News is on board, too. Now, the Washington Times is running multiple op-eds on the subject.

Is it on the table for 2011 or not? Voters should know what to expect from the next Congress. At this point, there's no reason for the GOP to avoid the question -- they're the ones who brought it up, and apparently keep bringing it up. So, what's it going to be?

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So, what's it going to be?

Two solid years of hearings over bogus charges. Nothing else. The real business of the people will grind to a screeching halt.

Posted by: Screamin' Demon on July 23, 2010 at 2:55 PM | PERMALINK

I think it's a great question, every time you go to a town hall ask your republican representative or senator if they think The President should be impeached and tried for high crimes etc etc etc. Then find out what they are.

We should know where our men and women in Washington stand on the issue.

Posted by: KurtRex1453 on July 23, 2010 at 3:00 PM | PERMALINK

It doesn't take much. They impeached Clinton over a blowjob. It's not that much of a stretch to think they'll impeach Obama over some made up charge, just because they can.

Yet another reason Republicans should not be put into positions of power. They just can't handle it.

Posted by: atlliberal on July 23, 2010 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

I'm sure that Obama can find common ground with the Republicans.

He can start the negotiations by offering to let the Republican Congressional leaders name his cabinet secretaries for him. Ultimately, they'll reach a compromise where Obama is allowed to resign quietly. Then he can claim victory, saying that he couldn't let the quest for "perfect" get in the way of the good and he can remind everyone how he saved the country the cost of a treason trial.

Not that I'm cynical or anything.

Posted by: Not_Cynical on July 23, 2010 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINK

Not that I'm cynical or anything.

No, even cynics make at least some sense. You've gone well beyond, to totally nutso.

Posted by: cr on July 23, 2010 at 3:11 PM | PERMALINK

Is it on the table for 2011 or not? Voters should know what to expect from the next Congress.


And in the unlikely event any Republican does say impeachment is off the table, he or she is lying.

Simple questions, simple answers.

Posted by: David Bailey on July 23, 2010 at 3:11 PM | PERMALINK

You expect Republicans to behave honorably, like the Democrats did? Seriously?

Posted by: dalloway on July 23, 2010 at 3:11 PM | PERMALINK

So what took them so long?
I thought this impeachment talk began within two months of Obama taking office.

He should be impeached for one simple right wing reason..."we didn't vote for him". So by hook or by crook, we'll find something to nail him on.

I got it!!! How about it if we plant a sexy young Hawaiian intern in the White House.., who also plays basketball. Then get the kids and wife out of the house, and maybe a little 'one on one' will occur. Bingo. We are in business...

Then, we'll get someone to take him to court (not the basketball kind) ... I know, over the birth certificate! Yeah, that's the ticket. Get him under oath to answer a bunch of questions, you know, hawaii, was he really born thee, and did he happen to talk to any Hawaiians recently about this?

Then we'll leak it..... first on Drudge, Fox (of course), then let Politico pick it up. There so wacked out on caffein, they'll print any garbage people send them. After all, most of these editors thought Whitewater and haircut Gate, and Xmas card gate were Pulitizers waiting to happen.

yeah.... by the time this all happens, people will be sick of 9% unemployment, etc. They'll be looking for a reason to unload this guy..

Then it's President Palin and the First Dude.

Posted by: mike reilly on July 23, 2010 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK

If insanity is to keep trying the same thing although it doesn't work, the thugs aren't the crazy ones. Republicans are playing the game 'tit for tat' always employing the cheating option. Democrats are always forgiving(bipartisanship, civil discourse, preemptive compromise). You can't play the game worse than the Democrats do.

Either the Democrats are cowards, collaborators, or too high minded to be of any use in this war. They aren't that stupid.

Posted by: Michael7843853 on July 23, 2010 at 3:13 PM | PERMALINK

and just when i thought i could stop thinking about moving to canada........

Posted by: just bill on July 23, 2010 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINK

Let me understand the reasoning here, because democrats are scared of their own shadow and decided to do the unthinkable, take impeachment off the table, republicans should follow suit ?

Seriously, just because my party is a bunch of spineless tools, honorable tools, but tools no less, we should expect the other party to be just as spineless ?

This is this wishy/washy thinking that keeps screwing us. There 1000 times more important and relevant things to go after republicans for, this is beyond lame.

We keep skirting around too affraid to take any meaningful leadership stands, see Sherrod, and it's nauseating. Obama with his some people and certain individual non-sense. Would it kill someone to start calling out names and what they are doing ? It could possibly keep the animals from screaming Impeachment & Nazi every 10 seconds.

Posted by: ScottW714 on July 23, 2010 at 3:15 PM | PERMALINK

YES, they are serious. The crime? Democrats are not permitted to win elections in the country that they're "taking back." Besides, he's BLACK!

Posted by: beep52 on July 23, 2010 at 3:18 PM | PERMALINK

Apologies for the OT, but I just read (forgive me if this has been known for hours; I work nights) that Dan Schorr, late of NPR and formerly of CBS, has died.
With him, seems to me, the very last of what used to be the profession of journalism in this country is gone as well, possibly never to return.
A sad day all 'round.

Posted by: smartalek on July 23, 2010 at 3:24 PM | PERMALINK


I do not think that word means what you think it means. Try dropping the "n" and see what you have. ;)

Posted by: Screamin' Demon on July 23, 2010 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK

What is it with the GOP? Are they jealous that a black/white man won the presidency. Even the cable and print media are afrad to call the GOP up on this "impeachment" talk. Of course, Fox news and the rest of the unstable GOP representaves in the House. Especially, Bauchman. I think that she is the most unstable person of all of the GOP along with Palin (who of course left her Governorship of Alaska because she couldn't handle the economic issues that Alaska had to face). But, who is on Facebook (Palin) giving advice to President Obama. Your readers that defend this "Impeachment" need to have their heads examined. There isn't a liberal media, but the "right-wing" media that puts their ideas out and the rest of cable and print media runs with it.

Posted by: UACats/RWings on July 23, 2010 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK

I actually hope they start beating the impeachment drum now-- it will make for very interesting mid-term election fodder. Maybe it will help Americans wake up before they put the GOP in charge again.

Posted by: zoe kentucky on July 23, 2010 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK

At some point Nancy should call their bluff. Enough of this bullshit. Darrell, Michele, bring articles of impeachment or shut the fuck up.

While I understand that this is just midterm political posturing, that these politicians and their mouthpieces would advocate bringing a halt to government (it's slow enough as it is) is shameful, disgraceful. Obama (through Nancy) needs to cut them off at the knees.

I understand that Rahm is pretty good at twisting the knife. Turn him loose I say.

Posted by: puravida on July 23, 2010 at 3:33 PM | PERMALINK


"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Posted by: Brock on July 23, 2010 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

In California, you don't even need to have committed a crime. We just hold a recall election whenever someone will pony a couple million for it.

Posted by: Tomb on July 23, 2010 at 3:38 PM | PERMALINK

Daniel Schorr has died?
He was the last tie to a sane and rational press corp (corpse?).

This current crop of Republicans, all the ones from the last 16+ years, are crazy and growing crazier.
As for impeachment, if there was/is a reason, like Reagan (Iran-Contra), Bush I (ditto) and Bush II (tell me what NOT to impeach him for, it'd be a shorter list), I'd be ok with it. Hell, I'd even support it.
But there's nothing.
And they have nothing.
And that's the problem.
The Republicans have nothing to offer. So, the only things they can offer are hearings leading towards impeachment.
IF they had anything, any ideas, any plans, they might try to implement them, rather than waste the country's time. But the have NOTHING.
Too bad this country is too f**king stupid to realize it...

Posted by: c u n d gulag on July 23, 2010 at 3:38 PM | PERMALINK

I suspect the impeachment threat is just an election ploy.

Posted by: Swift Loris on July 23, 2010 at 3:41 PM | PERMALINK

Is LWB (leading while black) a high crime or a misdemeanor?

Posted by: hells littlest angel on July 23, 2010 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINK

They want Joe to be President, and failing that, Pelosi? Seriously the only way they'll get a republican in is in 2012 if they manage to do that. It's all just a smear tactic, they won't really go through with it, it's just a smokescreen/Breitbart maneuver. The damage will be done despite the fact that this President has achieved in almost two, what the last failed to accomplish in 8. Bush- still worse than Obama.

Posted by: johnnymags on July 23, 2010 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK

I am just trying to figure out exactly what Obama has actually done to the Republicans to justify impeachment. Why is he such a threat to America anyway?

Is Tom pissed off because Obama is both competent and black?

Posted by: Ron Byers on July 23, 2010 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK

Allow me to open the window to the mind of modern neocon "thinking:"

Major premise: Black people steal.

Minor premise: President Obama is black.

Conclusion: Obama stole the Presidency.

Thus, impeach...

For further validation, Obama isn't a "real Americans." Therefore "real Americans couldn't have voted for him. Thus 100% of real Americans voted for Palin...I mean, McCain/Palin, and therefore she...crap! HE is the rightful President.

Impeach Obama, or you hate America. Fox News told me so.

Here endeth the lesson, and closeth the window on the mind of neocon "thinking."

Posted by: slappy magoo on July 23, 2010 at 3:49 PM | PERMALINK

When will you stop expecting these people to act rationally?

btw...OBL is winning and has already won because he has proven that America cannot face its own hypocrisy. In fact, we have virtually destroyed our idealism and our freedoms bending over backward to avoid facing the truth about ourselves as a nation. We are helping force a plutocracy on the world and are creating more terrorism than we are stopping.

Republicans are insane and anti-democracy and want a totalitarianism with themselves in charge...that's how they view America. They are the King George system all over again.

The nerve...for them to talk about impeachment...after the most corrupt freedom eliminating administration of modern times nearly destroyed the nation's economy???????

They can act all self righteous and condemn all they want but the facts prove them to be the real enemies of our democracy and our constitution...over and over again.

Posted by: bjobotts on July 23, 2010 at 3:49 PM | PERMALINK

"You expect Republicans to behave honorably, like the Democrats did?"
Posted by: dalloway on July 23, 2010 at 3:11 PM

So let me get this straight: "honorably" means allowing to go not only scot-free, but utterly un-investigated, scores of people guilty of some of the worst crimes imaginable -- multiple violations of our Constitution (don't forget that warrantless spying on US citizens was already under way BEFORE 9/11); blatant, repetitive, organized, wholesale lying to the populace, the government's own decision-makers, and the entire world about matters of literal life-and-death for tens of thousands, and life-altering matters for millions; engaging in the worst possible forms of corruption (billions of dollars in war-profiteering by firms tied to the federal decisionmakers, including the firm previously run by the sitting Vice President; the literal disappearance of billions of dollars in US taxpayer cash in Iraq; and the capture by commercial enterprises, and operation in their direct benefit, of multiple government agencies); the literal giveaway of God alone knows how many billions of dollars worth of resources, and the rights to exploit resources, to firms that are demonstrably so incompetent in their operations as to do tens -- and possibly hundreds -- of billions of dollars worth of damage to multiple ecosystems; and the wholesale destruction and elimination of regulatory enterprises a century in the making, with the utterly predictable result of an economic collapse that impoverishes tens of millions of people in our own country alone, let alone worldwide.
If that is what it says under "honorably" in your dictionary, you clearly own a different edition than I do.

Posted by: smartalek on July 23, 2010 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK

I really do believe the Democrats should turn this into an election issue. Pin them down and make them state publicly that they will seek impeachment if elected.

the Democrats, instead of running from the bullies, should put every one of their weird, psychotic ravings front and center. Impeachment, repeal of healtcare reform, repeal of financial reform, privatizing social security, gutting medicare...the REpublican agenda should be the election issue.

Posted by: SaintZak on July 23, 2010 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK

Michelle Bachmann's "everywhere I go people ask me..." is total bullshit since she doesn't hear what people are saying about her. Everywhere I go people are saying how much longer must we tolerate the likes of MB's perversion of politics. She doesn't speak for most Americans only a handful.

Tancredo has been drummed out of everyplace he visits...but FOX goes to such great lengths to make these people appear credible. They just make us sick and embarrassed.

Posted by: bjobotts on July 23, 2010 at 3:56 PM | PERMALINK

The shade of Joe Stalin is kicking himself, now that he realizes that he could have destroyed America by secretly funding the GOP.

Posted by: Moxo on July 23, 2010 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK

They're saying it because they know the media will run with it without question, giving it a balanced approach and making it seem like a a credible, sane point of view.

Posted by: cb on July 23, 2010 at 4:11 PM | PERMALINK

Swear to God, next Republican president we get, the impeachment proceedings start as soon as he/she take their hand off the Bible.

Posted by: chrenson on July 23, 2010 at 4:14 PM | PERMALINK

First, of course, we will see the other "I" - the "Independent" Prosecutor. How much is $60 million of 1994-1999 dollars in 2010 dollars? Let's not lose the Housse, folks.

Posted by: doppich on July 23, 2010 at 4:29 PM | PERMALINK

"You expect Republicans to behave honorably, like the Democrats did?"
Posted by: dalloway on July 23, 2010 at 3:11 PM

So let me get this straight: "honorably" means allowing to go not only scot-free, but utterly un-investigated, ...

Posted by: smartalek on July 23, 2010 at 3:50 PM

No, "honorably" means doing what you said you'd do during the campaign. Not that I disagree with the rest of it, but the point can be made while stating the argument accurately.

Posted by: drkrick on July 23, 2010 at 4:30 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, it's breaking out all over. I was up at the shopping center in Porter Ranch, that part of the San Fernando Valley still part of Republican Christian-Fascist Whacko World in Los Angeles, and some little YAF punk was standing outside the Wal-Mart soliciting people to sign the petition to "repeal Obamacare." And all the little old Alzheimer's morons were signing up so they could "protect MediCare."

Further proof that the American people are too goddamned stupid to deserve a constitutional republic.

Posted by: TCinLA on July 23, 2010 at 4:40 PM | PERMALINK

I've been wondering whether liberals should deluge the federal government with messages that we're sitting out this election until the Democratic Party takes steps to enforce discipline against DINOs, and openly declares war on Reaganism. After all, even in a best-case scenario the Republicans will gain some seats, and we're looking at gridlock until 2012.

The argument against playing hardball, of course, is stuff like this . . . and also Republicans' ability to repeal health care by defunding it, as per Steve's post earlier today.

Does anyone have any sense of how likely it is that the Republicans could persuade enough Senate Democrats to go along with them to actually remove Pres. Obama from office? I saw on 538.com that the Democrats should hold at least 47 seats after the election. Is there any realistic danger that enough conservadems could make up the difference to remove Obama?

Posted by: ChristianPinko on July 23, 2010 at 4:47 PM | PERMALINK

"Is it on the table or not?"

- Good question to repeatedly ask the current House Minority Leather and his House Whip.

Posted by: IsthmusGuyWI on July 23, 2010 at 4:49 PM | PERMALINK

Most conservatives were thinking about impeachment that day of his inanguration, they just needed his poll numbers to drop to the point where they would like crazy, but not like sore losers.

Posted by: Archon on July 23, 2010 at 4:50 PM | PERMALINK

Guess we should have gone after Bush for war crimes when we had a chance. Oh well, now our side will suffer endless investigations and impeachment again like in the '90's for the terrible crime of, you know, actually getting elected.

Posted by: trex on July 23, 2010 at 4:56 PM | PERMALINK


The Rethugs have pulled off another distraction. When will progressives stop letting them set the agenda. They get their talking points lined up, the echo chamber repeats them, and those of us in the reality based world get all upset and react.

How many times does this have to happen before we stop it?

Posted by: rrk1 on July 23, 2010 at 5:02 PM | PERMALINK

I've been seeing "Impeach Obama" bumper stickers for exactly 19 months now.

Posted by: chrenson on July 23, 2010 at 5:22 PM | PERMALINK

This impeachment mood is out there for real. I happened upon a blog called VotingFemale. I try to stay away from these crazies because they make my stomach turn and my mind go dizzy because they are so hateful and have no real facts. This scares me very much. A republican majority will put this country in limbo and with the republican tea party candidates the liberals will be the next on the antiimmigration or terrorist lists or something to because they hate us so. I believe they are serious about this.

Posted by: repeat that please on July 23, 2010 at 5:26 PM | PERMALINK

Actually, Republicans offer the country something it desperately needs. They take the fear and anger and helplessness everyone feels all the time, but especially in our current depression, they amplify it as much as possible, and then they offer the american people targets. Nice, safe targets that the American people know will not backfire on them because these targets have proven time and time again that no matter how much you vent your wrath on them, no matter how badly you beat them up, they will never effectively fight back. Those targets might be blacks, they could be single women, or gay people, or muslims, they could be liberals or Obama himself, they could be MSNBC. It doesn't really matter, as long as the targets can't, or won't, effectively fight back when the knives and guns come out.

This is what Republicans offer America, not the fear and anger (which they amplify a lot, not even hatred, which they sometimes instill but is not really the primary offering. They offer targets. Targets to rant and rave at, targets to impeach, targets to boycott, and, in extreme cases, targets to shoot at. It doesn't matter if the targets have no relation whatsoever to the cause of people's fears and unhappiness, as long as the targets can't effectively fight back.

So, if the democrats want to counter this, no matter how many truths they tell, it won't make any difference. Two things will make a difference. 1) the democrats can help the targets to fight back effectively. This means that those who take extreme actions against the targets need to see jail time, or even be killed, since they are sure to try to do as much to the targets. 2) the democrats can beat the republicans at their own game of fear and hate mongering and point out even juicier helpless targets.

Posted by: JMitzman on July 23, 2010 at 5:27 PM | PERMALINK

"The shade of Joe Stalin is kicking himself,"

Well, the wife of Rupert Murdoch was educated at elite schools in what conservatives used to call "Communist China." Who's to say she hasn't brainwashed Rupert into secretly funding the collapse of the American republic, so that China has no meaningful economic or military competition?

If you think it's crazy to contemplate this, it's no more crazy than anything coming out of the pie holes of Bachmann, Palin, and Tancredo, to pick just a few wingnuts.

Posted by: bluestatedon on July 23, 2010 at 5:27 PM | PERMALINK

"Obviously, President Obama hasn't committed any crimes, and there are no sane reasons for anyone to try to impeach him."

How about asserting the right to assassinate Americans without a trial?

What if Bush II asserted that right, or acted upon it? If a Dem Congress was moving to impeach G.W. Bush for such actions, most people here would whole-heartedly support impeachment, feeling it totally justified.

FWIW, I don't think Obama should be impeached, but I can see civil libertarian types thinking it.

Posted by: flubber on July 23, 2010 at 6:03 PM | PERMALINK

With all the investigations into Clinton in the 90s, I felt the republicans would try to impeach him for jaywalking on his morning jogs. After all, he did break the law.

God help Obama if he decides to drive while on vacation, and forgets to signal a turn.

Posted by: Joe Student on July 23, 2010 at 6:09 PM | PERMALINK

Folks, this is nothing new. I watched on bloody Election Night 1992, as the YAF-drones in the background at the California Republican Party election headquarters (Orange County, of course) held up "Impeach Clinton" signs...nearly three months before he was inaugurated.

So I think asking about impeachment at every town hall, on line, every reporter who has a chance, is a great idea. Make 'em say so, over and over, whichever way they feel like saying.

Posted by: PQuincy on July 23, 2010 at 6:14 PM | PERMALINK

Obama will probably impeach himself, just to show how bipartisan he is.

Posted by: kc on July 23, 2010 at 6:23 PM | PERMALINK

At this point I think successfully bringing impeachment proceedings would be a bonus for the G(n)O(B)P. Their stated plan is to halt all governmental proceedings they don't like, and undo all the legislation of the last two years, which will bring us back to where we started in January 2009. If Obama faces impeachment and trial it will be a nice addition to two years' worth of obstruction, regressive legislation and the disassembly of the last vestiges of the New Deal and the social safety net.

Of course I'm sure they'll all be happier if they CAN unseat the Uppity Community Organizer™ but having their way with the national agenda will likely be enough.

Posted by: boatboy_srq on July 23, 2010 at 6:28 PM | PERMALINK

The GOP is self destructing before our eyes appearing totally insane to American voters. They will gain the support of that 25% of loyal Bushies who are just as crazy.

But I predict that the Senate with have 62-63 dems after the mid terms and the house dems will keep control of the house. Necessity demands a rejection of returning to what republicans have offered in the past that nearly destroyed our nation.

I believe in Americans, that they will see that we must be rid of these hate filled obstructionists known as republicans. With as much as has been accomplished already the public begs for more.
So stop listening to the MSM megaphone of fear and note that the polls show we are most concerned with the economy and jobs...not spending freezes and dismantling of Medicare or privatization of SS or tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires. So get the message out. Dems are gonna' win so the nation can progress and restore itself to sanity.

Posted by: bjobotts on July 23, 2010 at 6:39 PM | PERMALINK

Really, this only show how DESPERATE the Republicans are. They have zero issues to run on [without alienating everyone but mega billionaires], so they can only try to run 'against' Obama -- who must truly be Mr. Clean if he could win the presidential election by a large majority and no one was able to Swift Boat him or 'get' him on this, that or the other thing.... Hmmm. Clutching at straws, shall we call it, or just trying to make stuff up, as with Shirley Sherrod and Acorn... I'm not sure they can ever hoodwink everyone again using those tactics.

Posted by: jjm on July 23, 2010 at 7:08 PM | PERMALINK

I wish I could agree JJM, but as a poster above pointed out (after observing doddering oldsters signing up to 'repeal Obamacare to save Medicare') Americans have become too stupid NOT to be taken in by the republican snake-oil salesmen.

Posted by: don on July 23, 2010 at 8:03 PM | PERMALINK

While it seems batshit crazy to expect the Republicans to push IMPEACH OBAMA as a 24/7 tactic, to the Republicans it makes perfect sense.

Because they view such tactics - find something dirty on the Democratic leadership and nail them with it - as having worked against Clinton just ten years ago. And with Clinton it was feasible: he was dirty enough around the edges that investigating him wasn't questionable.

Problem was, the crimes they finally nailed Clinton for - being an adulterous jerk getting blowjobs from an intern - wasn't impeachable. But yet they still pursued that course... even though it did kill their 1998 midterms. Because two years later, Americans citing Clinton Scandal Fatigue voted in fewer numbers for the next Democratic candidate Al Gore. THAT'S the GOP's true objective: to keep hounding and investigating OBAMA for asinine bullshit things of no value or consequence to the point that a majority of voters will stop caring and tune out, allowing the Republicans to reclaim their TRUE DESTINY of fucking this country into massive debt and unwinnable wars.

Impeachment isn't really the goal: the goal is to create voter apathy among Democrats and moderates.

Posted by: PaulW on July 23, 2010 at 10:22 PM | PERMALINK

bluestatedon: Well, the wife of Rupert Murdoch was educated at elite schools in what conservatives used to call "Communist China." Who's to say she hasn't brainwashed Rupert into secretly funding the collapse of the American republic, so that China has no meaningful economic or military competition?

The Manchurian Mogul?

Posted by: Chet on July 23, 2010 at 10:44 PM | PERMALINK

Gotta love 'em! All these so-called "christian" GOPosaurs are so afraid of getting old and dying, they'll do and say anything to bring back the country of their childhood.
Even if it means destroying said country...

Posted by: Doug on July 23, 2010 at 11:16 PM | PERMALINK

Is there a place to go that summarizes these nutzo ideas, but isn't actually one of thier websites? I need to get a sense of where this crap comes fro. In the past week two different people have written crap on our car - because we have an Obama 08 sticker, including "USA hater".

I just don't get this " I truly fear for my country" crap. Where does this come from? Democrats passed democratic bills. Jesus, they control the govt - what did you think would happen? But why all this hateful bigotry ? is it easier than actually crafting real oppositional stands??

Posted by: bigtuna on July 23, 2010 at 11:20 PM | PERMALINK

Got yer high crimes right here: this president has breached CCPR Articles 6, 7, 9, 12, 14, 17, 19, 20, 22, 25, and Articles 12, 13, 14, 15, and 16 of the Convention Against Torture, supreme law of the land. Open and shut. And you want me to give a shit whether he gets impeached?

Posted by: elephant in the room on July 24, 2010 at 8:42 AM | PERMALINK

During the 15 years we lived there, Tom Tancredo was invaluable in the effort to turn Colorado from Red to Blue. The governor, the State House majority, both U.S. Senators: GOP when we arrived in 1995, Democrat in 2010. Thanks, Tom.

Of course, GOP culture warriors like Dave Schultheis from Colorado Springs helped a lot, too. He's the State Senator who voted against publicly funded HIV testing for low-income pregnant women because "it would encourage promiscuity."

Posted by: Mandy Cat on July 24, 2010 at 11:24 AM | PERMALINK

Sounds like a smart guy, that Dave Schultheis.
If I were a low-income pregnant woman, I'd definitely have more sex -- and with more people -- if Jane & Joe Taxpayer were paying for my HIV tests.

Posted by: smartalek on July 24, 2010 at 12:18 PM | PERMALINK

Don't be a clueless idiot Steve, they all support impeachment, and it will be a big win for them to push it forward.

What was stupid for the Democrats was to take impeachment off the table, and to not stomp the Republican party into the ground when they were on the ropes in 2009.

Posted by: Glen on July 24, 2010 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK

As far as I can see the real business of the people has already ground to a screeching halt - so I honestly can't see what we have to lose with pursuing impeachment.

No action on ending the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, no action on Guantanamo or torture or secret rendition; instead of genuine stimulus relief we get budget breaking bankster bail-outs, sham banking reform that does nothing to correct the cause of the financial collapse and sham universal health care that provides TARP style giveaways for insurance companies without guaranteeing universal coverage.

I would frankly welcome impeachment hearings that would investigate the secret meetings with drug companies that resulted in Obamacare and the massive escalation of drone bombing in Pakistan and the executive order authorizing the extrajudicial assassination of US citizens. Sorry I don't agree with any of this. And I wonder how many Americans do.

I think the American public made a serious mistake in electing someone they knew very little about. Now that the truth is coming out regarding Obama's connection with a known CIA front (Business International Corporation - see on 12/27/77 New York Times) and Chicago based "left gatekeeper" foundations, I think a lot of progressives are having second thoughts. I blog about the history some of these "left gatekeeper" foundations at http://stuartbramhall.aegauthorblogs.com

Posted by: Dr Stuart Jeanne Bramhall on July 24, 2010 at 7:50 PM | PERMALINK

Dr Stuart Jeanne Bramhall: "I think the American public made a serious mistake in electing someone they knew very little about."

So we would have been better off under...McCain and Palin? And I'm not convinced that Hillary Clinton would have been so different. On domestic policy (TARP--which was actually passed under Bush--health care reform, and financial services reform), there is only so much one can do with a recalcitrant 40 Republicans able to block anything in the Senate even if Democrats hold together.

I have criticisms of Obama too. But I also realize that presidents are not all-powerful, and there are other branches of government that need to be prodded into action.

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