September 8, 2010
GRAPH OF THE DAY.... Tim Noah is running a multi-part series this week and next on "The Great Divergence," focusing on an issue that too often gets pushed to the periphery: America's growing income inequality.
The series includes this graph today, based on data from Larry Bartels, showing income growth rates for the modern political era. The red bars shows growth during Republican administrations, while the blue bars show growth during Democratic administrations.
As Noah (a Monthly alum) explained, "Did the United States grow more unequal while Republicans were in power? It sounds crude, but Princeton political scientist Larry Bartels has gone a long way toward proving it. Bartels looked up income growth rates for families at various income percentiles for the years 1948 to 2005, then cross-checked these with whether the president was a Republican or a Democrat. He found two distinct and opposite trends. Under Democrats, the biggest income gains were for people in the bottom 20th income percentile (2.6 percent). The income gains grew progressively smaller further up the income scale (2.5 percent for the 40th and 60th percentiles, 2.4 percent for the 80th percentile, and so on). But under Republicans, the biggest income gains were for people in the 95th percentile (1.9 percent). The income gains grew progressively smaller further down the income scale (1.4 percent for the 80th percentile, 1.1 for the 60th percentile, etc.)."
Also note, there's not only a difference in who benefits most, there's also a straight-up difference between the parties: under the GOP, the very wealth benefit more; under Dems, the middle and lower classes see their incomes grow more. But in literally every category, Americans do better under Democratic administrations than Republican.
Just as an aside, if you enjoy these kinds of comparisons, I've been reading a new book called "Presimetrics: What the Facts Tell Us About How the Presidents Measure Up On the Issues We Care About." It's fascinating.
—Steve Benen 3:20 PM
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you have time to read books?
Posted by: just bill on September 8, 2010 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK
So, for wealthy Republicans, it isn't just whether they are doing well, they also don't want to see others do well. They'll even take a little less if it means others don't get anything.
Posted by: ump902a on September 8, 2010 at 3:41 PM | PERMALINK
I would like to take the graph at face value.
However, the House was (nominally) democratic from 1954 to 1994, how do we take that into account?
I guess that republican presidents are roadblocks to progress from the House, while democratic presidents are not?
Of course, the remainder of the Clinton years are the opposite.
Posted by: catclub on September 8, 2010 at 3:43 PM | PERMALINK
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Presimetrics: What the Facts Tell Us About How the Presidents Measure Up On the Issues We Care About."
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Written by cactus from the angrybear blog.
Posted by: eightnine2718281828mu5 on September 8, 2010 at 3:55 PM | PERMALINK
So why do a majority of Americans vote against their better interests?
Posted by: Goldilocks on September 8, 2010 at 3:57 PM | PERMALINK
GOP:
"And your point is....?"
Posted by: agave on September 8, 2010 at 3:57 PM | PERMALINK
Goldilocks: Simple. Americans believe that they will one day be rich.
Posted by: chrenson on September 8, 2010 at 4:02 PM | PERMALINK
So why do a majority of Americans vote against their better interests?
Their overlords tell them too?
Tune in for the sequel coming in November 2010.
Posted by: ckelly on September 8, 2010 at 4:02 PM | PERMALINK
Class appeal and class conciousness has historically been a ineffective tool to organize people in America, especially when a large chunk of the electorate is worried about how those policies might, God forbid help blacks.
Posted by: Archon on September 8, 2010 at 4:23 PM | PERMALINK
"So, for wealthy Republicans, it isn't just whether they are doing well, they also don't want to see others do well. They'll even take a little less if it means others don't get anything."
Old New Yorker cartoon: Two well dressed men in a bar talking over a pair of martinis "I just read that the top 5% of the country control 90% of the wealth. We have to do something about that last 10%."
Posted by: drkrick on September 8, 2010 at 4:28 PM | PERMALINK
This has been known for years. It is also been known for years that red states receive more back in federal aid then they pay in taxes. It is also known that median incomes are much lower in red states, therefore many who don't pay income taxes live in red states.
Posted by: flyonthewall on September 8, 2010 at 4:55 PM | PERMALINK
This is a False Dichotomy (a typical liberal trick). The ENTIRE Pie is shrunk during Democratic rule (trickle up Poverty). The pie is grown under Republican rule (trickle down prosperity). It's not a zero sum game. Why do you gnash your teeth over people becoming wealthy? That is a good thing, and actually creates private sector jobs and lower unemployment. Why can't the current Democrat spending spree stop the rampant loss of jobs?
Posted by: Trogdor on September 8, 2010 at 6:31 PM | PERMALINK
You might want to check out the facts behind Noah's graph before relying upon it. Could well be accurate, but the graph in his first installment had what appeared to be glaring errors. It shows employment trends for men and women with three charts for 3 different levels of education. But the composite chart (termed "All") doesn't reflect at all what the 3 individual charts show. Totally inexplicable how that graph could get published as it is.
Posted by: smintheus on September 8, 2010 at 7:34 PM | PERMALINK
OK.. Why would anyone vote Republican. Everyone and especially lower income groups do better with the Ds. Higher income groups do better under ds and don't need to spend all their money trying to buy Rep votes. Duh.
Posted by: bILL on September 8, 2010 at 8:21 PM | PERMALINK
"It sounds crude, but Princeton political scientist Larry Bartels has gone a long way toward proving it"
Yes it's crude, very crude. And it's largely coincidental. 16 data points. I'm curious why Bartels isn't embarrassed.
Posted by: flubber on September 8, 2010 at 8:26 PM | PERMALINK
Too bad most people are so bad at math that they can't read graphs...
Posted by: mfw13 on September 9, 2010 at 7:01 AM | PERMALINK
goldilocks: So why do a majority of Americans vote against their better interests?
blame it on the liberal media..
Posted by: mr. irony on September 9, 2010 at 8:19 AM | PERMALINK
Benen is quite the liberal spinner.
There are lies. There are dam lies. Then there are statistics. Any one with half a brain can do what he is doing. No wonder the Monthly pays him so little.
Posted by: Stephen WV on September 9, 2010 at 3:38 PM | PERMALINK
Larry Bartel's methodology doesn't stand up to closer scrutiny. See my critique here: http://sovereignmind.wordpress.com/2010/09/11/how-to-mislead-with-charts-whos-responsible-for-the-great-divergence/
Posted by: Mike on September 13, 2010 at 7:05 PM | PERMALINK
Wow - great graph. Makes me totally reconsider all of my libertarian ideals, world view, and theories of Austrian economics in just TEN BRIGHTLY COLORED BARS.
I've got a graph for ya:
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That's the chance that Keynsian economics will ruin this country vs. the chance that one day it will magically make sense. I'll bet it's more legitimate than the one above.
Posted by: OscarDeGrouch on September 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM | PERMALINK