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September 29, 2010

'OFF THE WALL'.... A couple of weeks ago, the National Republican Senatorial Committee launched its first ad of the cycle, going after Kentucky Attorney General Jack Conway (D) over Medicare. The argument was convoluted and wrong, but the message to voters was nevertheless fairly straightforward: if you love Medicare, don't vote for the Democrat who supports Medicare.

In retrospect, Republicans probably should have picked a different issue.

In Conway's new ad targeting right-wing ophthalmologist Rand Paul (R), the Democratic campaign reminds voters of Paul's approach to seniors' care: "The real answer to Medicare would be a $2,000 deductible."

The spot proceeds to show a series of seniors, all of whom are less than pleased by Paul's policy suggestion. One says, "I don't know what planet he's from." Another says, "Doesn't he know that we can't afford that?" Another says, "The more we learn about Rand Paul, the worse it gets." And then there's the memorable one: "Rand Paul is off the wall with a $2,000 deductible."

Remember, Republicans, it was your idea to make support for Medicare the key issue in the race.

Yesterday, Paul was livid about the ad, calling it, among other things, "a lie" and "dishonest."

I have no idea what Paul is whining about. The ad simply airs a quote he repeated in public. Was it taken out of context? You be the judge -- here's what he said: "Medicare is socialized medicine! People are afraid of that because they'll say 'Ohhh, you're against Medicare.' No, I'll say, 'We have to do something different. We can't just eliminate Medicare, but we have to get more to a market-based system.' It's counter-intuitive to a lot of people, but you have to pay for things if you want prices to come down. So you really need higher deductibles. And the real answer to Medicare would be a $2,000 deductible, but try selling that one in an election. But that's the real answer."

In other words, the ad shows Paul stating his beliefs. That's not "a lie"; it's the opposite of a lie.

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Paul is just like the other tea baggers, they make a statement and when someone asks them about it they deny they ever made it, truthiness is not a part of their vocabulary.

Posted by: js on September 29, 2010 at 9:30 AM | PERMALINK

Rand Paul has every right to be angry. How can he possibly hope to compete against the truth? Even his response that the ad's "a lie" shows he can't even rebut with the truth. In fact, he simply can't handle the truth.

No "truth handler" he!

Ha! I deride his truth handling abilities!

Posted by: chrenson on September 29, 2010 at 9:32 AM | PERMALINK

The Tea partiers are not from Boston!

Theirs is a world down a hole where Alice and that Hatter guy get to say what's a lie and what's not! -Kevo

Posted by: kevo on September 29, 2010 at 9:34 AM | PERMALINK

The Repugs haven't spoken the truth in so long that they don't know it when they hear it.

Posted by: Rough Draft on September 29, 2010 at 9:35 AM | PERMALINK

Rand Paul can't handle the truth.

Posted by: Ron Byers on September 29, 2010 at 9:42 AM | PERMALINK

Poor Rand Paul. He gets to distort and lie about the Affordable Heath Care Act in his campaign ads, but when video shows up with he himself chatting it up about raising deductibles on seniors, it's all a lie.

What a WATB.

Posted by: jcricket on September 29, 2010 at 9:44 AM | PERMALINK

Apparently the Democrat ads are cutting Republicans and Republicans are feeling it. My suspicion is that the internal polls are not as favorable for Republicans as the media purchased pollsters want us to believe.

I have noticed a lot of very sharp Democratic ads for which the Republicans have had no answer. If the fight was fair Republicans would be in deep shit. Sadly Republicans are out spending Democrats $4-5 to $1, such is the power of the Koch brothers in this election.

Posted by: Ron Byers on September 29, 2010 at 9:48 AM | PERMALINK

Truth is kryptonite to Republicans.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© on September 29, 2010 at 9:50 AM | PERMALINK

Sorry, but the quote in context is even worse.

Posted by: ScottW714 on September 29, 2010 at 9:51 AM | PERMALINK

I love the hand motions of the lady who says Rand Paul is off the wall.

And, can anyone here tell me why I can't get this site to retain my personal info when I post comments?

Thanks.

Posted by: mikefromArlington on September 29, 2010 at 9:52 AM | PERMALINK

Sadly Republicans are out spending Democrats $4-5 to $1, such is the power of the Koch brothers in this election.

Thanks to a Supreme Court where 5 Justices believe in the principle "one dollar, one vote".
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© on September 29, 2010 at 9:53 AM | PERMALINK

Conway needs to recut the ad to include Paul's protestation. After having Paul call the ad a lie, then Conway should come back with the full sentence, including the "try selling that one in an election" bit. He can then make the election not only about Paul's bad ideas, but also his basic honesty. Rand Paul is trying to pull a fast one on you, Kentucky.

Posted by: NHCt on September 29, 2010 at 9:53 AM | PERMALINK

Looks scalable to me. Go national.

Posted by: Bob M on September 29, 2010 at 9:57 AM | PERMALINK

The ad is effective because it pulverizes a basic Republican idea: that pain is for the other guy, never for "real" Americans. It also explains why Paul Ryan's "road map" has been buried for the duration of the campaign. The Us vs Them tactics of the GOP work only in the absence of real-world scrutiny.

Posted by: walt on September 29, 2010 at 9:57 AM | PERMALINK

Great ad. I just ponied up $50 for Conway's campaign through Act Blue.

Posted by: TR on September 29, 2010 at 10:00 AM | PERMALINK

Washington Monthly, can someone please hire a proofreader for Steve Benen's posts? He's a terrific insightful writer, but his posts are marred by some sloppy typos, such as "right-with" instead of right-wing.

Posted by: Andrew in Berkeley on September 29, 2010 at 10:04 AM | PERMALINK

Agree with NHCt -- remake the ad to include the whole statement. Yeah, Rand. DO try selling that during an election, won't you?

Posted by: jcricket on September 29, 2010 at 10:07 AM | PERMALINK

Hammering them with their own positions is one of the best ways to defeat them. All Republicans, and especially the teabagging variety, are stealth candidates. Since most of their policy positions are bad for America and opposed by most voters, GOP campaigns are rarely anything other than exercises in distraction -- abortion, the "Ground Zero mosque," Obama's Kenyan anti-colonial Marxism Obama, etc. or blatant appeals to bigotry. The more their policies are brought into the sunlight the better, a responsibility unfortunately abandoned by most in our media these days.

Posted by: R. Porrofatto on September 29, 2010 at 10:07 AM | PERMALINK

Does anyone else see the poetic justice why democrats may have kept quiet while republicans lied with impunity? They've told so many lies they don't know what they said. The old when do you know a politician is lying applies.

Angle, Paul, and O'Donnell have all said things that they deny saying. I'm quite sure we will see other ads just like this for other bagger candidates.

Posted by: flyonthewall on September 29, 2010 at 10:08 AM | PERMALINK

@NHCt - oh, that would be perfect! Let's hope someone relays that idea on to Mr. Conway. (I must agree that the full quote is worse than the sentence that frames the ad).

Posted by: whichwitch on September 29, 2010 at 10:09 AM | PERMALINK

More pwnage! Wow, there are some Democrats with ads that work. You would think that the Democrats were actually "trying" to "win an election"..

Posted by: Trollop on September 29, 2010 at 10:25 AM | PERMALINK

was once told by an editor at a small daily that "you have to learn how to work a story," which means you don't tell the whole story the first day; you keep part of it in your pocket you so've got a story the next day.

Posted by: thaumaturgist on September 29, 2010 at 10:40 AM | PERMALINK

Paul is one thing - an arrogant and self-centered turd. He believes that what he says means precisely what he means to say, and if he means that "black is white", why how could anyone doubt that.

Conway is going to ride this issue to victory. I certainly hope that more take the Paul quote and get the Repukeliscum to comment on it.

Posted by: POed Lib on September 29, 2010 at 10:42 AM | PERMALINK

Agreed that releasing the whole quote will be devastating. Have there been any ads yet about Paul saying that drug abuse isn't a big problem in KY? The combination has got to tip the balance in Conway's favor.

Posted by: Kris on September 29, 2010 at 10:49 AM | PERMALINK

Here's another one

In Wisconsin, Steve Kagan (D - Green Bay) ran an ad that quoted from a speech given by his Repblican opponent, Reid Ribble. The clip in the ad had Ribble saying: "Somehow we have to establish a phase-out of the current Social Security system."

Ribble's full sentence was: "Somehow we have to establish a phase-out of the current Social Security system to a new system. And that will have to happen over time. It could happen in a single generation."

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is running a fact check thing on these ads this year. They rated Kagan's ad "Pants on Fire," calling Kagan a blatant liar for lifting the beginning of the sentence. The Journal Sentinel's criticism went on to insist that Ribble did not say he plans to get rid of Social Security. But that is precisely what Ribble the Republican said: "Somehow we have to establish a phase-out of the current Social Security system."

Was Kagan's abbreviated quote an "out-of-context" quote?

Here's a link to the complete ad; you tell me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZAsDhg9-9M&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: NealB on September 29, 2010 at 10:59 AM | PERMALINK

Oh, and a link to the Journal Sentinel's "fact check" of the ad: http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2010/sep/27/steve-kagen/us-rep-steve-kagen-says-opponent-reid-ribble-wants/

Posted by: NealB on September 29, 2010 at 11:06 AM | PERMALINK

Rand Paul: "It's counter-intuitive to a lot of people, but you have to pay for things if you want prices to come down."

Sounds like an endorsement of the idea behind cap-and-trade, no?

Posted by: TW on September 29, 2010 at 11:28 AM | PERMALINK

And the real answer to Medicare would be a $2,000 deductible, but try selling that one in an election.

It's hardly the Democrats' fault that Paul himself acknowledged the political unpopularity of his proposals.

In other words, the ad shows Paul stating his beliefs. That's not "a lie"; it's the opposite of a lie.

It may not be a lie, but it's certainly dishonest for Paul to conceal his policy preferences because he knows they're politically unpopular. But then, what else can he do? He's a Republican.

Posted by: Gregory on September 29, 2010 at 11:31 AM | PERMALINK

It's a good ad, but based on the longer quote you posted, it's basically a lie. Paul makes it clear that, although he would like it if there was a $2000, he considers this a political impossibility. The ad makes it sound like this is a policy he is proposing, whereas the quote makes it clear that he is *not* proposing this.

Remember when Obama said that if we were starting over on health care, we would go with single payer, but that it was too late for it now? He wasn't proposing single payer, even though he was expressing a preference for it under a non-existent ideal situation. I think the situation is analogous.

Posted by: rae on September 29, 2010 at 11:47 AM | PERMALINK

rae,

The ad isn't lying. Paul himself said that he BELIEVES that higher deductibles are needed to address Medicare. Whether he thinks it's feasible right now doesn't mean that he won't be pushing for it once he's in office.

I hold Obama's feet to the fire as well. Although he didn't specifically endorse single payer, he did state that some form of public option would be needed to rein in costs. But when the process actually started, he clearly threw the PO under the bus.

Not doing what you said you would do in a campaign should not be regarded as an acceptable political practice. There should be negative consequences, but unfortunately too many think it's OK.

Posted by: bdop4 on September 29, 2010 at 12:06 PM | PERMALINK

I think they should run a new ad that goes something like this:

"Rand Paul claims that we lied when we told you that he thinks SS should be changed to a $2000 deductible. We don't want to misrepresent his views, so we have chosen to air his full quote regarding Medicare.

*full quote*

There you go, Rand. I am sure Kentucky seniors hear you loud and clear."

Posted by: socratic_me on September 29, 2010 at 12:07 PM | PERMALINK

Truth is kryptonite to Republicans.

truer words were never spoken

Posted by: fourlegsgood on September 29, 2010 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINK

Kool,

Now let's see something like the Nuclear explosive Daisy ad from the '64 pres run going after Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Iran - Sen. McPain in AZ.

& how about putting a diaper on Vitter in a Louisiana ad.

& let's show Wanna be Gov. Palladino enjoying some Horse-on-Woman video action with his pals.

Posted by: cwolf on September 29, 2010 at 1:28 PM | PERMALINK

They forget the cameras have film and/or memory cards in them now days..

Posted by: mishanti on September 29, 2010 at 4:00 PM | PERMALINK

The real answer to Medicare and its expenses is that everyone should be covered by it. Then people would really have a say in their Health Care through elections.

Then Medicare would be completely solvent and rates would go down while quality of care and Dr.'s payments would go up.

Hell, if everyone were covered by Medicare it could easily cover Dental as well.

We must vote not only to ensure our freedoms but our survival as well. People like Paul have no solutions, only selfish greedy ideologies devoid of practicality and humanism.

Posted by: bjobotts on September 29, 2010 at 6:28 PM | PERMALINK

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