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October 15, 2010

QUOTE OF THE DAY.... As you may have heard, Fox News' Bill O'Reilly appeared on "The View" yesterday, and the discussion didn't go well. As part of an argument over converting a closed clothing store into a community center -- oh good, we're still talking about that -- O'Reilly blasted Muslims, and two of the co-hosts were disgusted enough to walk off the set.

On "Fox & Friends" this morning, Brian Kilmeade, not surprisingly, criticized Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar, saying they "couldn't handle" the debate.

Kilmeade added, "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims." He was, by all appearances, serious.

It's more than a little upsetting that this kind of nonsense is deemed acceptable. Ideally, "all terrorists are Muslims" would be a "Rick Sanchez moment" for Brian Kilmeade, but that's probably unlikely, since it's Fox News and this kind of talk is painfully common.

I hesitate to treat this kind of ugliness with a substantive response, but given what we've seen of late, it's hard to believe even someone of Brian Kilmeade's abilities could overlook all of the recent domestic terrorism committed by non-Muslims.

Byron Williams recently plotted a terrorist scheme in California, and he's not a Muslim. John Patrick Bedell opened fire at the Pentagon; Joe Stack flew an airplane into a building; Jerry Kane Jr. and his son killed two police officers in Arkansas; and none of them is Muslim. A Hutaree Militia terrorist plot was uncovered, and none of its members is Muslim.

Last year, James von Brunn opened fire at the Holocaust memorial museum; Richard Poplawski gunned down three police officers in Pittsburgh, in part because he feared the non-existent "Obama gun ban"; and Dr. George Tiller was assassinated. No Muslims here, either.

In 2008, Jim David Adkisson opened fire in a Unitarian church in Tennessee, in part because of his "hatred of the liberal movement." And let's also not forget the Oklahoma City Bombing. All brutal acts of terrorism, with no Muslim perpetrators.

If Kilmeade had said, "Not all Jews run media organizations, but all media organizations are run by Jews," wouldn't that be problematic? If he said, "Not all Roman Catholic priests are caught up in abuse scandals, but everyone caught up in abuse scandals is a Roman Catholic priest," might there be some kind of pushback?

Steve Benen 8:35 AM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (43)

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Not all Republicans are ignorant vermin but all ignorant vermin seem to divide themselves between al Qaeda and the Republican Party.

Posted by: Countme? on October 15, 2010 at 8:41 AM | PERMALINK

Well, whaddya know - yet another day of lies and propaganda brought to you by media who are owned and operated by a few entities tied to the military-industrial complex, and which are designed to stoke fear and obfuscate reality.

But hey, Fox is #1, so they must be doing something right. How can they be lying if so many people watch them? (The argument my grandfather makes.)

Posted by: terraformer on October 15, 2010 at 8:44 AM | PERMALINK

I bet Prince al-Walid bin Talal will be really pleased to watch this.

Posted by: Basilisc on October 15, 2010 at 8:47 AM | PERMALINK
Kilmeade added, "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."


Irish Republican Army ???

Posted by: Jim Ramsey on October 15, 2010 at 8:54 AM | PERMALINK

Moral relativism

Steve,

Those white Christian boys you listed aren't terrorists...
They just want their country back.

Posted by: koreyel on October 15, 2010 at 8:58 AM | PERMALINK

Not all television presenters are very well educated, and neither is Brian Kilmeade.

Posted by: Bill on October 15, 2010 at 8:59 AM | PERMALINK

Ann Coulter already demonstrated years ago how conservatives handle that sort of response. Timothy McVeigh et. al. are "aberrations." It's a variation on the "no true Scotsman" argument.

Posted by: T-Rex on October 15, 2010 at 9:02 AM | PERMALINK

Steve - None of the examples listed above are terrorist acts. They are all criminals. Caucasians, by definition, cannot be terrorists.

That is the argument you would get, which shows how removed from reality these people are...

- PonB

Posted by: PonB on October 15, 2010 at 9:04 AM | PERMALINK

Right-wingers claim O'Reilly wasn't pursuing any kind of agenda when he used Obama's support of the NYC mosque as the reason why his poll numbers are falling. Really? The stagnant economy, 9.6% unemployment, DADT, and the stimulus wouldn't have been more realistic (and relevant) subjects for him to bloviate about. O'Reilly's inflammatory remarks were calculated to get exactly the response he got and the publicity he's gotten. I'm sure the O'Reilly Factor's ratings last night were through the roof. Predictable and pathetic.

Posted by: 3reddogs on October 15, 2010 at 9:06 AM | PERMALINK

All of the persons that you listed ARE MUSLIM! They are just closet muslims, like your president, who will not publicly admit it!

Posted by: RepublicanPointOfView on October 15, 2010 at 9:07 AM | PERMALINK

Jim Ramsey beat me to it, But I'd remind Mr. O'Reilly of the Irish Republican Army.

And what about that guy in Texas who flew his light plane into a building? The fact that he killed no one but himself doesn't make him not a terrorist.

Posted by: Gregory on October 15, 2010 at 9:07 AM | PERMALINK

Oh, come on, Steve! You know they're not terrorists -- they are just Americans who have been pushed too far by the Soshalist Marxist in the White House!

Posted by: karen marie on October 15, 2010 at 9:09 AM | PERMALINK

FOX personalities are repugnant, and are as worthy as a horse's fart! -Kevo

Posted by: kevo on October 15, 2010 at 9:09 AM | PERMALINK

If he said, "Not all Roman Catholic priests are caught up in abuse scandals, but everyone caught up in abuse scandals is a Roman Catholic priest," might there be some kind of pushback?

I hate to be pedantic, Steve, but that analogy dsoesn't quite work. Kilmeade's odious statement was more along the lines of "Not all Roman Catholic priests are pedophiles, but all pedophiles are Roman Catholic priests."

Posted by: gregory on October 15, 2010 at 9:09 AM | PERMALINK

It's all just about the ratings, in't it? That O'Reilly, he's pretty slick. Unfortunately, Whoopi and Joy gave him (and FOX) just what they were looking for.

Posted by: puravida on October 15, 2010 at 9:13 AM | PERMALINK

I just wish ...I just wish someone had phrased it " All the Hijackers were Saudis" ...you know the same people who are great buds of Ol' G W Bush.

Posted by: John R on October 15, 2010 at 9:13 AM | PERMALINK

Not all right wing nuts are terrorists, but all domestic terrorists are right wing nuts.

Posted by: js on October 15, 2010 at 9:19 AM | PERMALINK

"Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."

Funny, I'm sure AQ and the Taliban use that same "logic" to justify their actions.

Just substitute "American" for "muslim" and "invader" for "terrorist."

Kilmeade and the terrorists have a lot more in common than he would ever admit.

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Posted by: jiuyifanshi on October 15, 2010 at 9:19 AM | PERMALINK

McVeigh! (I know he's mentioned in the 9:02 comment, but he should be front-and-center, I'd think.)

Posted by: Keith on October 15, 2010 at 9:19 AM | PERMALINK

John R,very intriguing injection.

I would love to see Republican/FOX reaction to a main stream media which began equating Saudis to terrorists. Afterall, Saudi Arabia is the birthplace of this "radical" religion that breeds American hating terrorists. It's only fair to include that oil rich, FOX News share holding, nation in any discussion about any axis of evil that America is in a diabolic death match with.

Posted by: Oh my on October 15, 2010 at 9:25 AM | PERMALINK

Why does this partisan propaganda organization have any seat in the White House briefing room, let alone a front seat?

Posted by: hells littlest angel on October 15, 2010 at 9:31 AM | PERMALINK

Why does this partisan propaganda organization have any seat in the White House briefing room, let alone a front seat?

The rest of the so-called "liberal media" gave it to them, that's why.

Posted by: Gregory on October 15, 2010 at 10:00 AM | PERMALINK

Kilmeade added, "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."

Yeah. Like those terrorists that assassinated

Posted by: g on October 15, 2010 at 10:06 AM | PERMALINK

Not all delusional right-wing hacks are Fox news employees, but all Fox news employees are delusional right-wing hacks.

Posted by: PTate in MN on October 15, 2010 at 10:07 AM | PERMALINK

Yes, PTate, Kelsey Grammer does not work for FAUX.

Posted by: berttheclock on October 15, 2010 at 10:25 AM | PERMALINK

You've all got it backwards and Kilmead has the right of it.

You see, everyone knows that this is a Christian nation that follows the Constitution.

All the Islamofacist jihadist who have blown up murdered and maimed innocent Americans are terrorist trying to impose Sharia law.

All the conservative, right-wing, nutbags who have blown up, murdered, and maimed innocent Americans are patriots excercising 2nd amendment remedies.

Q.E.D.

Posted by: WInkandanod on October 15, 2010 at 10:31 AM | PERMALINK

Fine line between anti-government hatred and pure greed for money, but, in Oregon, a father and son are on trial for the deaths of two responders to a bomb placed outside of a bank in Wilsonville, OR. The perps placed the bomb in a failed bank robbery attempt. Two officers were killed, while, another was maimed and a fourth was wounded trying to defuse the bomb which they thought was a hoax. There has been a great deal of information coming out of the trial about the hatred of Obama and the Administration by the Father. He was concerned his guns were going to be taken from him. Now, his defense team has unsuccessfully attempted to have any anti-government comments from him stricken from the record. The DA has argued that his views go to the intent of the crime.

Posted by: berttheclock on October 15, 2010 at 10:31 AM | PERMALINK

Don't forget James Jay Lee, who took hostages at the Discovery Channel... last month. Not Muslim. I can't imagine why anyone at FOX News wouldn't consider him a terrorist.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/01/maryland-police-respond-hostage-situation-man-gun-enters-building/

Posted by: Grumpy on October 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM | PERMALINK

Can we go all the way back to the Birmingham church bombing in 1963? Don't recall any muslims in the KKK.

Posted by: RR on October 15, 2010 at 10:52 AM | PERMALINK

To be fair, Rick Sanchez would have pointed out the foolishness of this remark. In the past Sanchez has had moments of sanity and fairness.

Posted by: mikeyes on October 15, 2010 at 10:59 AM | PERMALINK

Not all lying scumbags work for Fox News, but everyone who works at Fox News is a lying scumbag.

Posted by: TheOtherJim on October 15, 2010 at 11:13 AM | PERMALINK

If he said, "Not all Roman Catholic priests are caught up in abuse scandals, but everyone caught up in abuse scandals is a Roman Catholic priest," might there be some kind of pushback?

No, though he might be awarded a Pulitzer for it.

Posted by: Chesire11 on October 15, 2010 at 11:33 AM | PERMALINK

What about the Irish terrorists? (I've never heard of Catholic Muslims and Protestant Muslims!) Are the Basques Muslim? What about Badder-Meinhoff, the Red Brigade, the Red Army Faction, Aum Shinrikyo (of Tokyo subway fame), Sendero Luminoso in Peru, the Farc in Columbia, the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka? Are they Muslim? And who can forget the Muslims of Irgun and their bombing of the King David Hotel!

Gosh, I never knew there were so many Muslim terrorists in the world!

Posted by: Chesire11 on October 15, 2010 at 11:39 AM | PERMALINK

Not all morons have a morning show on FOX ...

Posted by: Shadow on October 15, 2010 at 12:51 PM | PERMALINK

RepublicanPointofView is wacked. They're patriots, damn it!

Posted by: TeaPartyPointofView on October 15, 2010 at 12:52 PM | PERMALINK

Steve, you don't understand. All those names you mentioned - Stack, Williams, Bedell, von Brunn, the Hutaree, etc. - they're not terrorists.

They're Freedom Fighters. They're just trying to protect our white wimminfolk and children from the evil libruls, dark people and queers. For Kilmeade to denounce those brave soldiers of Gawd would be the same as refudiating baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet.

It just can't be done on Fox News. No sir.

Posted by: Screamin' Demon on October 15, 2010 at 12:53 PM | PERMALINK

Brian Kilmeade is the same guy who suggested that the Swedes have fewer health problems because they have "pure genes" and a "pure society."

Damn that Supreme Court for nixing anti-miscegenation laws!

Posted by: Jasper on October 15, 2010 at 3:23 PM | PERMALINK

Not all Germans were Nazis, but the Holocaust death camps were run by Germans.

Posted by: buddy66 on October 15, 2010 at 5:16 PM | PERMALINK

PonB: Steve - None of the examples listed above are terrorist acts. They are all criminals. Caucasians, by definition, cannot be terrorists.

Wait a minute. I thought all criminals were black! Now I'm really confused...

Posted by: Chet on October 15, 2010 at 7:15 PM | PERMALINK

O'Reilly may be a jerk but he actually made a fairly cogent argument which was thus: Obama is losing popularity with the public because he is out of touch. As an example, Bill-O cited the president supporting the right to build Cordoba House but failing to comment on its appropriateness and pointed out, almost accurately, that 70% of America is against it (according to a CNN poll the actual number is 68%) and that building a mosque (actually a community center) that close to Ground Zero is offensive. Goldberg made the rather absurd defense that 70 people killed on 911 were Muslim, implying that they were targets too even though that only works out to about .23% of all victims.

O'Reilly then asserted "Muslims killed us!" prompting Goldberg and Behar to walk off stage. The problem with this remark is 1) All of the perpetrators were indeed Muslim, 2) OBL, the instigator most definitely saw 911 as an act of jihad and 3) Americans were most definitely the target. Stalking out and getting angry doesn't change that.

It seems to me that when almost 70% of Americans agree that Cordoba House is inappropriate mocking Fox News and Bill-O for accusing Obama, and by implication liberals in general of being out of touch is not exactly the best way to keep our hold on political power.

Posted by: Hieronymus The Troll Braintree on October 16, 2010 at 8:17 AM | PERMALINK

Not all journalists and pseudo-journalists are idiots, but all those who are idiots work for Fox News.

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