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November 11, 2010

PENTAGON REPORT TO BOLSTER DADT REPEAL.... When Senate Republicans blocked a vote on repealing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" several weeks ago, it's likely they were stalling for time. Conservatives, led by John McCain, said Congress couldn't possibly tackle this issue before first reading the results of the Pentagon's poll of 400,000 active-duty and reserve troops, as well as 150,000 family members, which is due Dec. 1.

But if anti-gay Republicans thought the survey would help derail repeal, they apparently had it backwards.

The first leak of the survey results noted that a majority of active-duty and reserve service members would not object to serving and living alongside openly gay troops. This morning, the Washington Post has an even more detailed account of the completed-but-unreleased report.

A Pentagon study group has concluded that the military can lift the ban on gays serving openly in uniform with only minimal and isolated incidents of risk to the current war efforts, according to two people familiar with a draft of the report, which is due to President Obama on Dec. 1.

More than 70 percent of respondents to a survey sent to active-duty and reserve troops over the summer said the effect of repealing the "don't ask, don't tell" policy would be positive, mixed or nonexistent, said two sources familiar with the document. The survey results led the report's authors to conclude that objections to openly gay colleagues would drop once troops were able to live and serve alongside them.

If I had to guess, I'd say the timing of these leaks has been carefully calibrated. Senators are working behind the scenes this week on how to proceed with the military spending bill that includes DADT repeal as a provision, and there's talk united, anti-gay Republican opposition may very well scuttle the entire effort.

But it's at least possible that a handful of GOP senators will be swayed -- at least to let the Senate hold an up-or-down vote -- if they know that U.S. servicemen and women, like the rest of the population, are comfortable with ending this absurd policy.

By the time the vote comes up during the lame-duck session, the Senate will have a 58-42 split in Democrats' favor. A grand total of two Republicans, then, would have to be willing to break party ranks and agree to let the Senate vote on funding the military.

If my speculation is right, leaks on the survey's results from the Obama administration may be intended to signal to Democrats that they shouldn't cave beforehand. Here's hoping the Senate majority gets the message.

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. . . leaks on the survey's results from the Obama administration may be intended to signal to Democrats that they shouldn't cave beforehand. Here's hoping the Senate majority gets the message.

Because apparently, caving beforehand is Obama's job.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/10/white-house-gives-in-on-bush-tax-cuts_n_781992.html

Posted by: SteveT on November 11, 2010 at 8:04 AM | PERMALINK

Here's hoping

That is bound for the Smithsonian . An historic rope a dope , brought to you by the road paved with good intentions .

Posted by: FRP on November 11, 2010 at 8:05 AM | PERMALINK

Fuck The Obomination and his administration!

Yesterday, Axelrod announced that The Obomination will cave to the rethugs and make all of Bush's tax cuts permanent. The ever-exploding deficit will provide more cover for rethugs and dumbocraps and The Obomination to cut social security, medicare, and veterans benefits.

What reason do you have for believing that The Obomination will not cave to the rethugs on DADT?

The Obomination and Harry 'spineless' Reid will surrender to the rethugs on DADT, just like every other damn thing.

Posted by: AngryOldVet on November 11, 2010 at 8:05 AM | PERMALINK

Actually AngryOldVet, the HP article says that Obama WON'T make the tax cuts for the rich permanent. It says that opposite that they won't be made permanent.

Posted by: Martiza on November 11, 2010 at 8:08 AM | PERMALINK

I agree that the leak of this report is to signal to the Democrats in the Senate that do NOT take the DADT repeal out of the Defense budget for repealing DADT will have little affect on the military.

Posted by: Maritza on November 11, 2010 at 8:10 AM | PERMALINK

"But it's at least possible that a handful of GOP senators will be swayed"

I'm pledging to do a shot of Tequila for each Republican that is swayed by actual facts.

That is, I'm betting on being stone sober!

Posted by: Mark-NC on November 11, 2010 at 8:13 AM | PERMALINK

By all means, Maritza, keep waiting for the results of that three dimensional chess game to be played out.

Posted by: berttheclock on November 11, 2010 at 8:14 AM | PERMALINK

"objections to openly gay colleagues would drop once troops were able to live and serve alongside them."

Having spent time both in a fox hole and a communal shower, I can assure "Those That Never Served" that our soldiers are already well aware of which way all those dicks swing.

This survey will not sway the votes of those who pander to their base- the hard core haters.

Posted by: DAY on November 11, 2010 at 8:17 AM | PERMALINK

Hrrm. Aside from the pathetic hope that even a single Republican Senator would vote to end DADT, I have to ask if you're sure the Democratic Caucus could deliver all 58 votes? Is Joe Lieberman a sure aye? Blanche Lincoln? You know, the usual suspects. Haven't we seen this movie a hundred times?

Posted by: Tom Allen on November 11, 2010 at 8:19 AM | PERMALINK


DADT.  

HOW about this?

When I was a kid, I watched a lot of Star Trek. In one episode Kirk says, "IF change is necessary and inevitable doesn't logic demand that you be a part of it." Repeal DADT or the courts will do it for you. IF the courts do it, the process will be messieurs than not. IF the courts do it, future generations will look at the Repubs and Dems and laugh at what predjudiced mofos they were. 

LOOK you can deny gay people equal rights for only so long. IF you can continue to do it to gays, then you can do it to blacks and irish and germans.  Next we can deny women equal rights.  And finally, at the end of the day we are once again treating people as sub-human. Viewing them as sub-human. Hating them as sub-human.

And that inevitably leads to killing them because you see them as less than human.

IT is a SECULAR SIN to deny other people the same rights that you enjoy.     

Posted by: KurtRex1453 on November 11, 2010 at 8:33 AM | PERMALINK

At last you liberal idiots seem to be understanding the way that our political system works!!!

When there is a republican president and a republican senate, a working majority consists of 50 senators and the v.p. to cast the deciding vote.

When there is a democrat president and a democrat senate, a working majority is not allowed to exist. This is regardless of how many 'theoretically' democrat senators there are! All republican senators will vote to opppose the democrat president and our corporately owned democrat senators will take turns voting against the president!

We win, democrats always lose! Even when (& I don't remember when) the democrat president does not surrender before starting negotiations.

Posted by: RepublicanPointOfView on November 11, 2010 at 8:34 AM | PERMALINK

"We have to deal with the world as we find it"

The reality as created by your political enemies. The dems really suck at creating the ruling narrative. Default to the world eaters.

Posted by: lou on November 11, 2010 at 8:39 AM | PERMALINK

Maritza, I suggest you peruse Steve's latest thread, immediately, above this one, where you may learn a bit more about Barack "Where do I cave" Obama.

Posted by: berttheclock on November 11, 2010 at 8:39 AM | PERMALINK

Pick up a few Republican votes?! Don't bet on it, but you can bet there will be Democrats who vote against it. they won't get 58 Democrats voting in favor of repeal.

This is another issue the Democrats booted around until they don't have to take responsibility for what happens. I doubt it will be repealed, and I have a feeling when the new congress comes into session we'll see the Republicans try to make DADT far more rigid than it is now.

Posted by: SaintZak on November 11, 2010 at 10:26 AM | PERMALINK

Re: RepublicanPointOfView on November 11, 2010 at 8:34 AM

You are a sick puppy for thinking so poorly of or Congress critters.

And, it's a damn shame that every word you said is all too true!!

Posted by: Mark-NC on November 11, 2010 at 9:12 PM | PERMALINK
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