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November 30, 2010

QUOTE OF THE DAY.... Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R), who remains an influential figure in Republican politics, chatted with a far-right news website yesterday, and characterized newly-elected conservatives hoping to shut down the government next year "a little naive."

"First of all, you can't shut down the government. There are public safety, national security issues, that override a well-intended point, I'm sure, that government is way too big. Better to have a plan on how you reduce the debt by reducing the deficit."

Jeb isn't the only one making comments like these. Sen.-elect Rand Paul (R-Ky.) recently said shutting down the government would be "a mistake," adding, "Nobody really wants that." Similarly, incoming House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) was recently asked if we're likely to see a replay of 1995. "No. I don't think the country needs or wants a shutdown," Cantor said. He added that when it comes to pursuing their agenda, Republicans "have to be careful" or they'll be "seen as a bunch of yahoos."

What I like about this is the notion of prominent conservative Republicans characterizing a shutdown as unreasonable and extreme. With upcoming votes on the debt limit and the federal budget, and clamoring among GOP extremists to force a shutdown, public remarks that position a shutdown as beyond the pale help create an incentive for Republicans to avoid one.

And at this point, if GOP leaders hope to avoid a Gingrich replay, they're going to have to overcome some pretty intense conservative pressure -- from hard-liners inside Congress and out -- from rabid right-wing ideologues who've been told the party shouldn't compromise on anything with anyone.

With this in mind, keep Jeb Bush's quote handy.

Steve Benen 2:25 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (16)

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Jeb is a Bush.
The Bush's, father and evil spawn, failed Conservatism.
So, the true nutjobs on the right, will take this as another example of the selling out of TRUE Conservatism, and ratchet up the rhetoric to, well, 11's too low now, so I figure they turn it up to 12.

Posted by: c u n d gulag on November 30, 2010 at 2:29 PM | PERMALINK

What I like about this is the notion of prominent conservative Republicans characterizing a shutdown as unreasonable and extreme.

This is just Lucy and the football once again. Of course, they have to sound reasonable at first, but then they will find that an appropriations bill has a million dollars for muscrat mating studies and shut the government "because it's the only way to deal with out-of-control spending.

Isn't it about time to stop giving Republicans credit for "sounding" reasonable, when they don't vote that way?

Posted by: Danp on November 30, 2010 at 2:34 PM | PERMALINK

Is Jeb allowed to say stuff like that? Doesn't he need to check with Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, and the Tea Partiers first? I'm assuming he didn't, because almost certainly they would have told him to STFU.

Posted by: navamske on November 30, 2010 at 2:43 PM | PERMALINK

I was speaking last week with a federal gov't (CDC)employee. He and his colleagues take it for granted that there will be a shutdown next year over the debt ceiling vote.

Posted by: jim on November 30, 2010 at 2:46 PM | PERMALINK

These statements mean nothing. Republicans are on record directly contradicting themselves from month to month; I don't think it will be hard for them to disagree with what some other Republican said. GOP statements are operative for as long as it takes to say them, and may no longer be valid by the time the sound waves have traveled across the room.

Posted by: biggerbox on November 30, 2010 at 2:52 PM | PERMALINK

This seems more like trying to position themselves with plausible deniability.

They'll pretend they can say the Democrats are unreasonable and the shutdown isn't their fault.

I'd expect to hear a lot more in this vein right up to the moment they do it.

Posted by: cld on November 30, 2010 at 3:01 PM | PERMALINK

THIS IS THE QUOTE OF THE DAY...

From ABC.15.COM

"PHOENIX - A Phoenix man who was denied state Medicaid coverage for a bone marrow transplant has died.... 

" (Az Governor) Brewer said Price's death was a "tragedy.' 

'It's just an unfortunate situation and my heart goes to his family and certainly to his five children," she said. "The bottom line is the state only has so much money and we can only provide so much optional types of care and those were one of the options that we had taken liberty to discard, to dismiss.'

"While the cuts to transplant coverage eliminated one type of care provided those enrolled in the state Medicaid program, Brewer also said Arizona needs flexibility under both state and federal law to stop providing Medicaid coverage altogether for hundreds of thousands of people."

JAN BREWER IS A MONSTER...

Posted by: KurtRex453 on November 30, 2010 at 3:27 PM | PERMALINK

JAN BREWER IS A MONSTER... You said it! heartless bastards all of them as the unemployment expires for those that can least afford it.

Posted by: John R on November 30, 2010 at 3:34 PM | PERMALINK

Press question that will never be asked of Brewer:

So, if you needed this type of procedure, how would it affect you?

Posted by: Kevin (not the famous one) on November 30, 2010 at 3:51 PM | PERMALINK

You know why there's NO GOD?!?!
Because Brewer lives to draw another breath, and this poor father of 5 won't.

Until these people realize that violence is rapidly becoming an option, they'll continue doing what they've been doing.
I have been a follower of Ghandi and King my whole life, but you know what? Sometimes it takes blood to get people to notice - especially if it's their own.

Posted by: c u n d gulag on November 30, 2010 at 4:17 PM | PERMALINK

I wasn't politically aware back in 1995, but I don't think the Republicans took much of a hit for the "government shutdown" in 1996 elections.

Looking it up, in the Senate, Repubs gained 2 seats, increasing their majority, and won the popular vote handily. In the House, Dems picked up 9 seats, (just barely winning the popular vote by .3%) remaining a minority by 22 seats.

Repubs should feel heartened that the public is unable to tell what the hell is going on, and the media is unlikely to help.

People would vote in a new party while they overwhelmingly agree with the other party's policies.

Posted by: flubber on November 30, 2010 at 4:35 PM | PERMALINK

The funniest line " Republicans "have to be careful" or they'll be "seen as a bunch of yahoos."

Actually Eric, I think that horse has left the barn already.

Posted by: Les Ismore on November 30, 2010 at 4:51 PM | PERMALINK

'It's just an unfortunate situation and my heart goes to his family and certainly to his five children," she said. "The bottom line is the state only has so much money and we can only provide so much optional types of care and those were one of the options that we had taken liberty to discard, to dismiss.

So when can we start calling 'em Nazis, because that's pretty much what they are.

Posted by: Squeaky McCrinkle on November 30, 2010 at 4:52 PM | PERMALINK

I think we now know who the real "death panels" are.

Posted by: idlemind on November 30, 2010 at 5:52 PM | PERMALINK

Actually, Jeb is only influential amongst establishment GOP.

Who aren't in good favor at the moment.

Posted by: JKR on November 30, 2010 at 8:29 PM | PERMALINK

SEE!
It's JUST like the "REAL truth-tellers" -- Rush, Glenn, Newt, Sarah, all of the ones who support us REAL Americans, and tear the tissues of lies off the DEMONcrats and the driveby lamestream medias deceitful LIES -- said it would be!
They said if the socialist-elitist Obamacare got rammed down our throats with all the sleazy backdoor dead-midnite dealmaking and corruption, gummint bureaucrats would be the ones determining whether you were "worthy" of remaining alive or not!
AND "HERE IT IS" HAPPENING!!!1!
EXACTLY like they said it WOULD!1!!
How can you Anti-American Loony-Left LIEberal Libtards even TRY to "PRETEND" any more when the PROOF is RIGHT HERE in black and White?!?!
First the Congress, then the White House -- we're gonna FLUSH all you treasonous "Alinskykes" and your Kenyan "Usurper!" We are taking "OUR" Country Back From You And YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED!!!1!


Whew -- that really does take it out of one...
Seriously, how the hell do they keep that up for hours (days? months?) at a time? They must have *much* better pharmaceuticals than I can score.
Anyhoo, how was that?
I hope it's apparent I've been working on my vocab and my Southren accent; I'd like to think I'm starting to get the hang of it... I'm especially proud of [what I hope is] my progress in my use of "random" quotation marks And Capitalization.
However, I know I've still got a long way to go. Feedback, criticisms, suggestions would be most welcome.

Posted by: smartalek on December 2, 2010 at 1:09 AM | PERMALINK
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