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April 13, 2011

THE PRESIDENT'S ROUSING REJECTION OF REPUBLICAN RADICALISM.... As much as I wish this wasn't a speech he felt compelled to deliver, President Obama's speech on the nation's fiscal future was one of my favorites in a long while. It was exactly the sort of spirited defense of government and progressive values the nation desperately needed to hear right now.

There's quite a few angles to consider here, but the first is the president's take on Paul Ryan's House Republican budget plan.

Last week, when the White House was criticized from the left for not having said more about the GOP vision, I wrote about my expectations for this week's message: "I want to see a forceful, unapologetic response. I want a hearty defense of government. I want officials explaining why Paul Ryan's plan is dangerous and ridiculous."

This afternoon, in Obama's address, I got all of those things. The president emphasized early on that the Republican proposal would "lead to a fundamentally different America than the one we've known throughout our history."

"A 70% cut in clean energy. A 25% cut in education. A 30% cut in transportation. Cuts in college Pell Grants that will grow to more than $1,000 per year. That's what they're proposing. These aren't the kind of cuts you make when you're trying to get rid of some waste or find extra savings in the budget. These aren't the kind of cuts that the Fiscal Commission proposed. These are the kind of cuts that tell us we can't afford the America we believe in. And they paint a vision of our future that's deeply pessimistic.

"It's a vision that says if our roads crumble and our bridges collapse, we can't afford to fix them. If there are bright young Americans who have the drive and the will but not the money to go to college, we can't afford to send them. Go to China and you'll see businesses opening research labs and solar facilities. South Korean children are outpacing our kids in math and science. Brazil is investing billions in new infrastructure and can run half their cars not on high-priced gasoline, but biofuels. And yet, we are presented with a vision that says the United States of America -- the greatest nation on Earth -- can't afford any of this.

"It's a vision that says America can't afford to keep the promise we've made to care for our seniors. It says that ten years from now, if you're a 65 year old who's eligible for Medicare, you should have to pay nearly $6,400 more than you would today. It says instead of guaranteed health care, you will get a voucher. And if that voucher isn't worth enough to buy insurance, tough luck -- you're on your own. Put simply, it ends Medicare as we know it.

"This is a vision that says up to 50 million Americans have to lose their health insurance in order for us to reduce the deficit. And who are those 50 million Americans? Many are someone's grandparents who wouldn't be able afford nursing home care without Medicaid. Many are poor children. Some are middle-class families who have children with autism or Down's syndrome. Some are kids with disabilities so severe that they require 24-hour care. These are the Americans we'd be telling to fend for themselves.

"Worst of all, this is a vision that says even though America can't afford to invest in education or clean energy; even though we can't afford to maintain or commitment to Medicare and Medicaid, we can somehow afford more than $1 trillion in new tax breaks for the wealthy. Think about it. In the last decade, the average income of the bottom 90% of all working Americans actually declined. Meanwhile, the top 1% saw their income rise by an average of more than a quarter of a million dollars each. And that's who needs to pay less taxes? They want to give people like me a two hundred thousand dollar tax cut that's paid for by asking thirty three seniors to each pay six thousand dollars more in health costs? That's not right, and it's not going to happen as long as I'm President."

I was especially pleased to hear the president dismiss the notion -- touted by far too many pundits -- that the Ryan plan is "serious and courageous." As the president reminded us, "There's nothing serious about a plan that claims to reduce the deficit by spending a trillion dollars on tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires. There's nothing courageous about asking for sacrifice from those who can least afford it and don't have any clout on Capitol Hill. And this is not a vision of the America I know."

There were concerns among some of my fellow progressives going into this speech that the president may accept parts of the GOP plan or express some sympathies for the Republican vision. The opposite happened -- this was a full-throated condemnation, not just of the radical Paul Ryan plan, but of the far-right goals it intends to pursue.

I know many hoped to hear this message from the White House last week, but from where I sat today, it was worth the wait.

Update: There was also this paragraph from the remarks: "[L]et me be absolutely clear: I will preserve these health care programs as a promise we make to each other in this society. I will not allow Medicare to become a voucher program that leaves seniors at the mercy of the insurance industry, with a shrinking benefit to pay for rising costs. I will not tell families with children who have disabilities that they have to fend for themselves. We will reform these programs, but we will not abandon the fundamental commitment this country has kept for generations."

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I absolutely LOVED, LOVED, this speech. It should be listened to several times to really appreciate its excellence. I am so glad he spoke today.

Posted by: MK on April 13, 2011 at 2:56 PM | PERMALINK

Amen. Fantastic all around.

Posted by: TR on April 13, 2011 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK

Those are surely the right themes. But the test, as always on the left, will be delivering the message. Already I'm not sure why they didn't give the speech more build up and then put it in prime time. But the bigger issue now is (a) how well can they work the media? (b) are other leading Dems all on board and on the exact same page to go out and get in front of any and every microphone and repeat the same points? (c) will it be repeated by Goolsbee in a whiteboard segment on the Web, in this weekend's radio address, and if necessary by paid DNC advertising starting immediately?

In short, are the Dems ever going to get serious about making a message permeate the public and stick?

Posted by: zeitgeist on April 13, 2011 at 3:01 PM | PERMALINK

Oooooh SNAP!!! It's ON, FutherMockers!!!

Posted by: RuSl on April 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM | PERMALINK

Great speech; one quibble.

I wish he had pointed out that not only can the wealthy afford a tax increase because it is fair, they also derive greater economic benefits from the things -- educated workers, good roads, ports, railways, and so on -- that government (and taxes) provides. The government has helped provide them a way to become wealthy, so it is natural that the rich pay more in taxes to support these things.

Posted by: Michael Carpet on April 13, 2011 at 3:03 PM | PERMALINK

I'd been calling (for months, really) for Obama to step up and lead. And bygummit, he's done it!

Posted by: sjw on April 13, 2011 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK

Halle-[bleeping]-lujah! I tivo'd the speech so I could watch it after work, but my husband watched it in real time and said the prez looked angry. I hope so. He ought to be angry - these futhermockers (great word, BTW) really do want to destroy this country.

Posted by: blondie on April 13, 2011 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

MK

It was a great speech. He stated who we are as a people and the principles of the nation.
He undercut the whining about Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.
I like the part about the prescription drug plan two wars and the tax cuts. He hit the Repubs right in the breadbasket.
The lefters are going to keep whining and calling him a sell out.

Posted by: Maude on April 13, 2011 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINK

President blew me away today. This is the guy I voted for. Make it stick Dems!

Posted by: Joseph O'Byrne on April 13, 2011 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINK

This was a great speech that I, as an Obama skeptic, want to believe will lead to great persuasion, great action, and a great nation. Alas, everything we've seen over the past two years suggests his oratory is not transformative. The GOP base will mock and ridicule it while their puppetmasters will chortle about the president's "inexperience". I'm glad the president didn't simply capitulate at the outset. But the war we're in demands more than good speeches. It demands a president who's willing to fight on our behalf. Maybe this is a new day. If so, I'll be glad to lay down my disappointments. Something tells me nothing has fundamentally changed, however.

Posted by: walt on April 13, 2011 at 3:07 PM | PERMALINK

The Good...
- Obama pointed out the Bush/repuke reasons that the deficits are where they are
- Obama made a very effective presentation of where spending actually occurs by the fed government
- Without naming Ryan, Obama totally trashed the Ryan/repuke plan
- Obama actually used the word jobs a few times
- Obama mostly sounded like an actual, real democrat and not like a complete DLC/DINO/Repuke-Lite

The Bad...
- Obama's prescriptions were extremely nebulous
- Obama put defense, health care costs, social security, and tax increases on the table which is bad because we can expect the repukes and their corporately owned media to have heard only the social security, medicare, and medicaid parts being on the table

The Ugly...
- Obama appears to continue to believe in the fairy tale of republicans interested in the welfare of all of our country, which any courtroom lawyer would tell you assumes facts not in evidence

Posted by: SadOldVet on April 13, 2011 at 3:08 PM | PERMALINK

The devil's in the doing. This man has said a lot of things..and not delivered, or, worse, done exactly the opposite of what he said, or promised.

If he follows up this speech with real action, then he has my renewed respect. If he does what he's been doing for the last two years--promising a mountain, delivering a mole-hill, if that--then...

Democrats, and Obama, should be delivering the money-points of this speech every day, from now until November 2012. Is it too much to ask for a little message discipline from our Dems?

Posted by: LL on April 13, 2011 at 3:08 PM | PERMALINK

To repeat what I posted yesterday, and I think it will be my new hobby horse, the Republicans are not RADICALS, they are REACTIONARIES. We need to use the term and beat them about the head with it. Progressives need to take radical action, but until they do, let us not cede control of the word to the reactionaries in the Republican party.

Sounds like it was a good speech. I will have to check it out.

Posted by: martin on April 13, 2011 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK

Looks like he finally reached the choir, here at PA.

Meanwhile, back in RealityLand, the pundits are nitpicking away at a furious pace- all the CableHeads are turning over rocks, looking for anything to knock him down a peg- which is the only way they can make the Republicans look taller!

Posted by: DAY on April 13, 2011 at 3:10 PM | PERMALINK

He used that trick Clinton used to use: pointing to how the Republicans plan benefits well off people like himself, so the confused haters at home scratch their head, saying "Wait, they wanna give a tax break to Obama?!?!"

Loved it.

Posted by: You Don't Say on April 13, 2011 at 3:11 PM | PERMALINK

To Michael Carpet, "I wish he had pointed out that not only can the wealthy afford a tax increase because it is fair, they also derive greater economic benefits from the things -- educated workers, good roads, ports, railways, and so on -- that government (and taxes) provides. The government has helped provide them a way to become wealthy, so it is natural that the rich pay more in taxes to support these things."

I believe he did do that, though not in as great a detail as you want.

But it was a fine speech and all the 'queue the cave' people should tuck their tails between their legs.

I am SOOO tired of that Republican epithet for Democrats. They want them to seem weak (liberals are always weak, aren't they, in the eyes of the bullies) and Obama as the weakest of all. He simply is not.

Posted by: jjm on April 13, 2011 at 3:13 PM | PERMALINK

From where we were in the budget showdown, it was a good speech. But if I think of what our government's priorities SHOULD be right now, and what matters, and the speech our country needs - we're still stuck in the wrong conversation.

Why are we talking about deficits? Why are we reforming Medicare? Are these really our most pressing problems at the moment? Is Medicare reform and spending cuts what we should be wasting our time on?

The entire debate we plan to have for the next years is inconsequential to our problems at best and counter productive at worst. We're swerving to avoid icebergs, but the entire ship is heading in the wrong direction.

Posted by: Memekiller on April 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM | PERMALINK

While watching the wrap up just now there was a discussion of the speech while a video of Boehner, Cantor, McConnell and Kyl at a podium was on the screen. Looking at McConnell first I thought about how wealthy he is and "saw" a dollar sign imposed over him. And I thought, wow, what if every politician (no matter the party) who votes for or proposes legislation, such as tax cuts or other tax-saving measures that would directly benefit him/her, would have the actual dollar amount of their personal wealth and how much money their proposal would gain them imposed over their image. How would that change the discussion? Sure, the Daily Show could do it, but what about the news media? But of course the corporate media would never allow it. Dream on.

Posted by: Hmmmmm on April 13, 2011 at 3:16 PM | PERMALINK

"Obama appears to continue to believe in the fairy tale of republicans interested in the welfare of all of our country, which any courtroom lawyer would tell you assumes facts not in evidence"

Another thing to consider is that many of the people watching at home consider themselves to be Republicans but would disagree with the extent of the Congressional Republicans' plan. Part of this is to give credit to those who are sincere, which makes them more receptive when they're told what elected officials are doing in their name.

Posted by: Jurgan on April 13, 2011 at 3:17 PM | PERMALINK

Hey Walt: you said....

"The GOP base will mock and ridicule it while their puppetmasters will chortle about the president's "inexperience".

Of course they will. They always do. let them. Keep moving forward.

Posted by: renegademom3 on April 13, 2011 at 3:18 PM | PERMALINK

This plan, as it stands, will work, but we all KNOW that repubs will try to move it past the halfway point towards Ryan's batshit insane plan.

That can't happen.

The core elements of the plan have to be non-negotiable, and it's going to require Obama and Dem leadership to rhetorically beat the living crap out of the pushback arguments that are going to spew from the rightwing noise machine.

If this is treated as "business as usual," we are fucked.

Posted by: bdop4 on April 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM | PERMALINK

As I said in the prior thread, Obama rightly painted the Ryan plan as un-American. Immoral, too. And I guess Mr. Ryan was right there in the front row for the speech. SMACK!

Great speech, now some action (and no backing down).

Posted by: Hannah on April 13, 2011 at 3:24 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry I missed the speech, but that excerpt is terrific. I suspect Ryan on the defensive will look a whole lot less dreamy to the village.

Posted by: hells littlest angel on April 13, 2011 at 3:24 PM | PERMALINK

What LL said (above). Good speech to give to university students in the middle of a work day. Bad timing for TV-addicted Americans who need to upgrade their information. The proof will be in Obama's actions, not his words. We knew this already.

"So. Now vee may perhaps to begin. Yes?"

Posted by: John B. on April 13, 2011 at 3:27 PM | PERMALINK

Well, that is the guy I voted for. And I don't doubt for a moment that this is really him. I guess what I doubt his is negotiating skills. The propensity to start out in the right place. Signal a willingness to first make some comrpomises before the true negotiations even start. Then meet the opposition halfway. If that pattern holds true, we will be looking at something that is more than halfway between this vision and Ryan's plan. So as much as I liked the speech it still doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. But I can't help but like the guy.

Posted by: SW on April 13, 2011 at 3:27 PM | PERMALINK

That was a wonderful speech.
Once again he proves that he knows more than us and understands the country in ways that are seldom articulated. Get behind this man, he is the best you will see in your lifetime no matter how young or old you are.

Posted by: hornblower on April 13, 2011 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK

Once all the cable babble and spinning is done, you'll be able to judge the effectiveness of this speech by a single thing - if the Republicans start comparing him to Hitler again.

And seriously ... looking at the cable news reaction to this speech, where was all this scrutiny when Ryan's so-called budget plan was released last week? Its flaws and glaring partisanship are right out there in the open. So where were the doubts, the hemming, the hawing, the focus on the missing details?

Posted by: Bokonon on April 13, 2011 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK

As much as there's a liberal, Democratic base, we're the best evidence for this strategy's eventual failure. We cannot will into existence an informed public. We cannot elevate the discourse of the jaded punditocracy. We cannot reinvent the organizational networks that made left-wing activism a political fact of life. This was a speech made to the middle of the country. It will gain respectful reviews before vanishing into the conversational bedlam that is our real political discourse. Obama needs us but he's pretending this isn't the epic battle it is. And this pretense is the best clue this speech won't change anything.

Posted by: walt on April 13, 2011 at 3:30 PM | PERMALINK

I want to thank you, Steve Benen, as a die hard liberal who focuses on the big picture: the republicans are trying to erase a century of progress. Your posts reflect what's important in the bigger picture. Thank you for being a voice for us liberals who learned from the Nader fiasco.

Posted by: pamelabrown on April 13, 2011 at 3:31 PM | PERMALINK

He HAD to talk about deficits, and not only because the lazy Beltway media just listen to Republicans and each other.

No matter how much we think most Rethugs are lying, selfish slimebags, and how stupid voters were for choosing them to take over the House, the fact is they are in Congress right now, with power. And if they're going to constantly harp about deficit reduction, you can't ignore it.

But it was a great takedown of Mr. Widow's Peak hair. Maybe he can hide and curl up with one of his Ayn Rand books.

Posted by: Molly Weasley on April 13, 2011 at 3:32 PM | PERMALINK

I'm with Krugman - if this plan is where we end up, I can live with that. If this plan now sets the left end of the debate, and we start "compromising" toward the Ryan bill from here, ending up somewhere in between, no way.

Posted by: biggerbox on April 13, 2011 at 3:34 PM | PERMALINK

Stewart/Colbert are thanking the gods for the material they've been given.

Posted by: Sasha on April 13, 2011 at 3:36 PM | PERMALINK

He could have held up the NYT article this weekend as a prime example
The Drought Is Over (at Least for C.E.O.’s)
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/business/10comp.html?ref=business

From the Chart:
Viacom head
Philippe P. Dauman
Pay 2009 34.0 Million
Pay 2010 84.5 Million + 134%

These are the Fuckers we are giving tax breaks to.
Who deserves 84 million for running anything!

Posted by: John R AKA Mr. Serf Man on April 13, 2011 at 3:36 PM | PERMALINK

The GOP is capitalizing on the recession to present the exact opposite of Roosevelt's New Deal - it would be a sort of REVERSE New Deal.

Obama has just laid this out. Essentially.

About time.

Posted by: Bokonon on April 13, 2011 at 3:39 PM | PERMALINK

He defined helping disabled kids as a fundamental value of America, necessary in order for the county to be great.

As one of the middle class families with a child with autism who receives some services through Medicaid, I am very pleased to have a President who cares whether or not my son can lead a decent life.

Posted by: dwight meredith on April 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK

It was an outstanding speech if you are in the 48% of non-tax-paying Obama supporters.

Posted by: larry on April 13, 2011 at 3:54 PM | PERMALINK

Amazing that liberals love citing that America is outpaced by other countries in terms of education, while staunchly supporting tenure amongst public school teachers. Nice try, guys.

Posted by: Aaron on April 13, 2011 at 3:57 PM | PERMALINK

Remember how pissed off we all were last year when Obama started talking about Paul Ryan's "roadmap" as an example of responsible thinking on the Right? I love that he set that poor loser up, made him famous, then knocked him over in full view of the whole country. Ninja points.

Posted by: Bob on April 13, 2011 at 4:14 PM | PERMALINK

What are the chances that if I ask a question here, I will get an honest answer?

While I am NOT justifying the high salaries of many in the corporate world I would like to know how many people posting here would turn down a 1 million dollar bonus if it was offered to you by your company?

How many posters on this site truly believe it is fair that the top 1% of wage earners pay around 40% of the nations total tax burden while the lowest 40% or so of wage-earners pay absolutely no taxes at all?

Lastly, about 2 weeks ago I was in line at a local grocery store. The woman in line ahead of me had a grocery bill over $500. She payed for these groceries using FIVE different EBT cards. She was wearing a very nice black leather jacket, had rings all over her fingers, diamond earrings in her ears and an apple I-phone. Her daughter, probably around 12 also had an I-phone. There are no legal reasons why this woman should have more than one EBT card and yet she had five. How does a person justify this behavior? I can tell you that welfare fraud runs rampant here in California. This state is going down the drain BECAUSE of progressive politics. Do progressives really want that to happen to the entire country?

Posted by: Roshan on April 13, 2011 at 4:18 PM | PERMALINK

Eat shit you miserable resentful deluded little twit. People like you can always find an anecdotal story usually made up to justify being selfish and turning your back on our shared obligations to our countrymen.

Posted by: SW on April 13, 2011 at 4:24 PM | PERMALINK

As the President said, discretionary spending is only 12% of the budget, and he won't cripple defense. That means real changes have to be made to Medicare and Medicaid. But saying that the federal government can reduce medical costs is like saying the federal government can reduce the price of oil. He really needed a stronger plan for those programs because simply saying that medical costs can be reduced means Ryan can turn around and say that vouchers can suffice with reduced medical costs.

Posted by: Trevor on April 13, 2011 at 4:29 PM | PERMALINK

Should we promote individualism or collectivism?

Posted by: tw on April 13, 2011 at 4:37 PM | PERMALINK

This speech was well, a speech. Great! The only problem is that if anyone actually takes a look at who Obama hires, who he leaves hanging in the wind, what bills he signs and what he does, then you fell for it again...

Posted by: Lloyd on April 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM | PERMALINK

I cannot believe that supposedly intelligent people fall for this nonsense.

"Progressive" is nothing more than a more acceptable label for Socialist. If that's not true, then why did almost the entire Congressional Progressive Caucus (70+ members) also belong to the Democratic Socialists of America in 2009? See it for yourself here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35733956/DSA-Members-American-Socialist-Voter-Democratic-Socialists-of-America-10-1-09

Posted by: SamAdams25 on April 13, 2011 at 4:55 PM | PERMALINK


Fantastic speech...President Obama is light years away from everyone in terms of his intellect. Would that people used their brain once in awhile instead of being so easily manipulated.

@Roshan ...sigh - you should have called the police if you were so troubled by her alleged welfare fraud. Or, maybe you could have offered to find her a job so that she wouldn't need her EBT cards.

Are you as troubled that corporations routinely engage in illicit activity? Are you troubled that to date, none of the corporate bigwigs responsible for the financial meltdown went to jail?

Of course not - it's always easier (and predictable) to decry that "welfare frauds, etc." are responsible for our economic woes - get real.

To quote Dr. Martin Luther King: "True compassion isn't just throwing coins at beggars, it's the realization that a society that produces beggars needs restructuring."

Posted by: Nonya on April 13, 2011 at 4:57 PM | PERMALINK

I cannot believe that supposedly intelligent people fall for this nonsense.

"Progressive" is nothing more than a more acceptable label for Socialist. If that's not true, then why did almost the entire Congressional Progressive Caucus (70+ members) also belong to the Democratic Socialists of America in 2009? See it for yourself here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35733956/DSA-Members-American-Socialist-Voter-Democratic-Socialists-of-America-10-1-09
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Sam, "progressives" don't bail out Wall Street, let GE pay nothing in taxes and hire people like Immelt, Orszag, etc...It is all just a show for the suckers who they want (and keep) getting votes from.

Posted by: Jeffrey on April 13, 2011 at 5:01 PM | PERMALINK

[Indeed, to those in my own party, I say that if we truly believe in a progressive vision of our society, we have the obligation to prove that we can afford our commitments. If we believe that government can make a difference in people’s lives, we have the obligation to prove that it works - by making government smarter, leaner and more effective.] So does that mean be more conservative?

Posted by: tw on April 13, 2011 at 5:04 PM | PERMALINK

[sockpuppeting deleted. pick a handle and stick with it -mod.]

Posted by: Generally Eclectic on April 13, 2011 at 5:06 PM | PERMALINK

[sockpuppeting deleted -mod.]

Posted by: Generally Eclectic on April 13, 2011 at 5:06 PM

The truth hurts. Maybe I should have included Jeffrey Immelt, Timothy Geithner, General Electric, Goldman Sachs...

Posted by: Generally Eclectic on April 13, 2011 at 5:15 PM | PERMALINK

Medicare needs to change and it is as he speaks...Medical will cut services so that patrons won't be getting everything they want, they'll be restricted. As a nurse I know the inside track on these issues. So all this is doublespeak...We can't afford these systems anymore in their present structure, they need reformation...

Posted by: LYNNE on April 13, 2011 at 5:30 PM | PERMALINK

Hey LYNNE, why the capital case name? Shouting it from every mountain top?

As a nurse, are you well-versed and professionally trained to do cost-analysis within the medical profession? What "inside track" are you speaking that would be relevant to your observation about "reformation."

After all, when I hear "reformation" I think of the 16th century, not contemporary medical cost issues. I think the Frank Luntz talking point word you are looking for is reform, not reformation! -Kevo

Posted by: kevo on April 13, 2011 at 5:36 PM | PERMALINK

Roshan, @4:18 PM

That sounds to me like Ronald Reagan, trying to prove that Welfare Queens do, too, exist and ride around in Cadillacs. I've heard that he does that, about once every quarter; for an actor and for a politician it's boring to be dead and buried, with nobody paying much attention to you.

Posted by: exlibra on April 13, 2011 at 5:52 PM | PERMALINK

"Who deserves 84 million for running anything!"

Deserve's got nothing to do with it. - William Munny

Posted by: Marko on April 13, 2011 at 6:00 PM | PERMALINK

Cut up the credit card, we are broke!!!

Posted by: G. Super on April 13, 2011 at 6:02 PM | PERMALINK

There is simply NO LIMIT to the extend of the stupidity of liberalism. Did I hear the same speech that you morons heard? A speech that was LONG of emotion, class warfare and finger-pointing and extreme short of substance?

Will you liberal idiots ever learn? It's not HOW he talks that matters, it's WHAT HE SAYS.

But you'll never get that, will you?

Posted by: CCPony on April 13, 2011 at 6:12 PM | PERMALINK

The comments are a fine example of GROUP THINK. Scribs of never had an original thought libs. That cliff you see, but just cannot seem to stop running at full speed toward, its the depravity of mid-minded moocher class greed. Yes, libs YOU are the greed heads because so very little of you deserve equals what you demand. Life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness, not the 'GIVE ME' of happiness - never found a person given alot who was happy.

And boy, you libs are never happy!!! (Makes me happy to hear your hate though - have a nice heart attack). Emote MORE, Think LESS - Progressive.

Posted by: g denver on April 13, 2011 at 6:27 PM | PERMALINK

Well, I see the Professional "Constantly Outraged" T-bags are here! I guess they received their cheques from the Koch Brothers.

Posted by: Padre Mickey on April 13, 2011 at 6:59 PM | PERMALINK

Finally! Somebody has to defend the Progressive Vision. Republicans want to return to 19th societal values yet everything the Republicans do including Paul Ryan's proposed budget attempts to destroy Johnson's Great Society and Roosevelt's New Deal, without even balancing the budget, and continues the trend towards an inequality of American income that would embarrass Queen Victoria.

The Republican Supreme Court gave corporations pre-20th century influence in politics. Many Republicans would rewrite the 14th amendment to keep kids of undocumented workers from citizenship. Still more would stop unemployment insurance and like AZ Governor Jan Brewer jail undocumented workers in privately run prisons.

I admire many things about the 19th century -- abolition of slavery, intellectual curiosity, the progressive movement, neo-classical architecture, workers rights... Yet, I would never want to return even in part to the morality, health care, social structure, and income inequality of that complex culture.  

Those Republicans  wanting to shrink the federal government to Coolidge-era size, I think, kill that which made our society great - a movement up and up in terms of income euqality, human rights, a strong federal system, free education for all, and a spirit of exploration... All  incompatible with the mid-Victorian legal, moral & state rights values, the worst of the 19th century, Republicans seem to love and which the rest of us discarded 150+ years ago.

It may, though, have been too late. If someone has said this and repeated it twenty years ago, the direction of the country might have been changed. But, many Dems bought into the Reagan vision of America and helped create the crisis we are in.

Posted by: KurtRex1453 on April 13, 2011 at 7:02 PM | PERMALINK

down with the flowery speeches and up with kicking rethugs in the butt

Posted by: shirley thomas on April 13, 2011 at 7:43 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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