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March 25, 2012 2:14 PM Rick Moran Responds To My Response To His Inaccurate Blog Post…

By Jesse Singal

…this is already getting tiring, isn’t it?

Still, I should post the “Clarification” he appended to the post in question, which wrongly accused President Obama of “essentially calling for the shooter to be arrested and convicted” despite the fact that Obama had said no such thing:

Clarification:
Washington Monthly’s Jesse Singal calls me out for “lying” about Obama’s remarks regarding the Martin tragedy.
I will acknowledge being guilty of hyperbole and exaggeration - something Washington Monthly engages in when calling me a liar. Writing that Obama was “essentially calling for the arrest and conviction” of the shooter, was, I freely admit, not a quote, but rather reflected my opinion of the consequences of the president’s actions and his ill-timed and ill-chosen remarks.
Only little children and liberals believe that bringing DoJ into this incendiary local matter doesn’t guarantee Zimmerman’s eventual arrest and conviction for…something. Manslaughter, violation of Martin’s civil rights - it only matters in the sense that the hysteria ginned up over this horrible incident will ensure that authorities will shape their investigation to satisfy the howling mob. When so much is unknown - and perhaps unknowable - about what actually happened, prosecutors will find some way to appease those who are emotionally unhinged and might respond to a call for “retaliation” or vigilante action. Like it’s never happened before? Just ask Sacco and Vanzetti.
Mr. Singal prefers to take a politicians [sic] words at face value. For myself, it doesn’t matter whether it’s a liberal or conservative, I tend to question the motives and intent of politicians - especially presidents - who inject themselves thoughtlessly into controversies like the Martin tragedy.
I have every right to interpret Mr. Obama’s intent as much as Singal or any other liberal who, I believe, constantly and consistently deliberately misinterprets the intent of conservatives. In this case, writing that the president would be pleased to see Zimmerman arrested and convicted is as valid an interpretation as anything ever written by Mr. Singal about the right.
Of hyperbole, I plead guilty. Perhaps Mr. Singal would now plead guilty to the same for saying that I was “lying.”

At the end of my original response, after noting that his use of “essentially” was pretty slick, I wrote, “I’m curious as to whether Moran will correct his post, point to the part of Obama’s statement where he comes anywhere close to (essentially) calling for Zimmerman’s arrest, or hide behind a slippery word. My money’s on Option 3, which is too bad because Moran is essentially lying here.”

This was pretty obviously a cute reference to Moran’s own use of the e-word. But I’ll update and expand my original analysis: Either Moran lied about what Obama said, he didn’t read what Obama said, or he didn’t understand what Obama said (in which case he should have asked someone to explain it to him before writing an inflammatory blog post on the subject).

Moran does deserve some credit for clarifying his post, however, even if his argument throws into disarray millennia worth of philosophical thought on meaning, logic, and the philosophy of language. I do not have the energy to dissect his response, but I invite any readers who are less burned out than I am to do so in the comments section.

Jesse Singal is a former opinion writer for The Boston Globe and former web editor of the Washington Monthly. He is currently a master's student at Princeton's Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Policy. Follow him on Twitter at @jessesingal.

Comments

  • TR on March 25, 2012 2:22 PM:

    Wait, conservatives are rallying around Sacco and Vanzetti now?

    Actually, Moron is such an idiot that he probably thinks those guys play for the Yankees.

  • Joel on March 25, 2012 2:28 PM:

    When I got to "Only little children and liberals believe . . . " I realized there was not point in reading further. Moran is a partisan hack. Full stop.

  • schtick on March 25, 2012 2:30 PM:

    See? The tealiban even lie about their lies. It's not only Mitt. None of them can own up to it when they lie. And that's exactly what it is, all lies all the time even when you catch them at it.
    And that's MY opinion and that's why I'll never vote for that party again for the rest of whatever life I have left.

  • jcricket on March 25, 2012 2:38 PM:

    See? 'Essentially' in Wingnutese really does mean "I pulled it out of my ass".

  • gregor on March 25, 2012 2:39 PM:

    no sense in trying to win an argument with a wing nut. If was possible for them to understand your position, they would not be what they are.

  • DRF on March 25, 2012 2:40 PM:

    Let me take a shot at it. Moran appears to be saying: (1) it doesn't matter what Obama said, since you can't trust anything politicians say; we all know what he and DOJ think; (2) I'm entitled to my opinion; and (3) Even if what I said was hyperbolic (a polite word for lying), Singal and other liberal commentators say equally nasty and unjustified things about conservatives.

    That's just a pathetic defense.

  • bleh on March 25, 2012 2:47 PM:

    I also like the bit about "Only little children and liberals believe that bringing DoJ into this incendiary local matter doesn’t guarantee Zimmerman’s eventual arrest and conviction for…something."

    Heaven forfend that a federal agency should get involved. Surely they should stick to bombing brown people, and leave "local matters" to local police. After all, the South would be so much less disturbed if the federal government had just kept its nose out.

    One might, of course, suggest as many self-professed conservatives do that, if Mr. Zimmerman isn't guilty, then he shouldn't have any problem with a thorough and full investigation. Only criminals want to hide, after all.

    What is it they say, a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, but a liberal is a conservative who's been arrested?

  • James on March 25, 2012 2:48 PM:

    All that effort gone into working up a steaming head of outrage on a pleasant Sunday morning. Tsk tsk.

    Not worth the effort to rebut. Willfully obtuse.

  • MattF on March 25, 2012 2:57 PM:

    No, not complicated at all, 'I lied because the liberals made me do it'. QED.

  • Bo on March 25, 2012 2:59 PM:

    The more I read about this case (and people's reaction to it), the more I wonder which of the following statements is true:
    1. the Civil War is not over -- and the South thinks it's winning; or
    2. the Civil War is over -- and the South won; or
    3. we should never have fought the Civil War -- things would be so much better for us "northerners" if we had just let them secede from the Union.

  • ack ack ack on March 25, 2012 3:01 PM:

  • trog69 on March 25, 2012 3:06 PM:

    I see that Mr. Moran has been properly eviscerated here, already, so I'll just point out that the American Stinker is mebbe the worst "opinion" website, ever. Yes, worse than Time Cube. Freepers aren't as bad, seriously. At Free Republic, they post the original article, or a "relevent" portion, then let the unhinged commenters get out their 2-minute hate exercises.

    But the Stinker has all the crazy and stupid right out there in the article itself, so that the imbeciles in crowd don't have to get those awful headaches from trying so hard to find out why it's the Lib's fault for...anything.

  • Jimo on March 25, 2012 3:07 PM:

    "I have every right to interpret Mr. Obama’s intent as much as Singal or any other liberal who, I believe, constantly and consistently deliberately misinterprets the intent of conservatives."

    1. Intent? As in "mind reading"? I believe we have a conflict of definitions, wherein "intent" means for the left "communication as evidenced by text" and for the right "what I just know has to be what this dude must really, really mean." (Who knew that conservatives were relativists with the left pushing absolute meaning?)

    2. Intent? Of conservatives? Ditto.

    3. Misinterprets? How so? Do you mean by quoting them?

    4. Constantly and consistently deliberately? Ignoring grammar, is the claim here of a conspiracy? A vast conspiracy, at that?

    5. What we see here is what theologians at times describe as the inability of evil to conceive of good (the Devil, confronted with God, instinctively wants to know: "What angle is God trying to play with all this 'good' jibber-jabber? How does he benefit from this con?") Now, I do not mean to call this cartoonish guy evil, or to do so with conservatives.

    However, again and again, we see this phenomena: the right sees itself behaving in a particularly dishonest or questionable manner and are confronted with actions from the left that the right can only conceive of as mirrors of itself, i.e. the left also behaving in a particularly dishonest or questionable manner. (Think: Karl Rove) "I routinely whip up fantastical phantoms from leftists who must be boogeymen to justify my own worldview so the left must be doing the same thing with my tribe of rightists." Indeed, Fox, the heart of propaganda itself, admits that it is anything but fair and balanced, that it sees itself as "balancing" leftist media. (What is Fox doing then if the corporatist media that serves existing power groups in fact is not, objectively, leftist?)

    All while the left says to itself: "Why can't the right just focus on facts and reason and accept that their positions cannot be justified by such?" (The Sacco and Vanzetti reference should have been the tip-off that we weren't dealing with someone playing with a full deck of cards.)

  • trollhattan on March 25, 2012 3:08 PM:

    I'm disappointed he didn't work "not intended to be a factual statement" into his screed. Moran's evidently not aware of all internet traditions.

  • stormskies on March 25, 2012 3:14 PM:

    To Rick Moran: interpret this.......FUCK YOU.

  • Rick B on March 25, 2012 3:14 PM:

    I see Rick Moran's essential (conservative) fear when he writes "- it only matters in the sense that the hysteria ginned up over this horrible incident will ensure that authorities will shape their investigation to satisfy the howling mob." Rick is afraid that the "howling mob" will come for him as the mobs of the French Revolution came for the aristocrats.

    The other very clear element of conservatism here is that Moran does not consider a call to conduct a due process investigation to be anything other than an effort to gin up vigilante action against Zimmerman. Like so many conservatives, there is no due process. There is only the desired outcome and that is what everyone intends to have happen. Calling for due process is nothing short of demanding that Zimmerman be lynched.

    Somehow Moran would have us believe he does not think that an injustice has occurred. (How could it? Travon Martin was only a Black teenager.) He just sees a threat to Zimmerman in the President's remarks and he is jumping to defend Zimmerman. Zimmerman was part of the conservative tribe.

    From what I have heard in the phone calls Zimmerman committed unprovoked murder. Then the news clearly establishes that the police made every effort to cover up the crime rather than investigate it. I don't think a due process investigation of the tragic event of Travon's death has occurred and I want one, as does the President. The conservatives who passed the "Stand your ground" legislation thought they had legally stopped such investigations.

    Moran protests too much. He sees the same problems in this case that I do, and he wants nothing done about them until the conservatives can rally behind - Romney? Santorum? Somebody. - And remove the Black Muslim Kenyan usurper from the Presidency. Because Obama will rally behind Farrakhan or the new Black Panther Party as they call for retaliation against Zimmerman. Only brave conservatives like Rick Moran are preventing the vigilantes from marching.

    Sure Moran is lying, but he is afraid. In fact, his column demonstrates very clearly why the entire Republican Party is acting so insane this year. They are afraid! They are scared to death that society is slipping out of (their) control and the scary Democrats and Blacks are just waiting in mobs to come after them, kill them, steal what they own and take their women.

    Moran's column is not "interpretation of Obama's statement." It's insane panic fueled conservative fantasy.

  • MoronsPointOfView on March 25, 2012 3:18 PM:

    I did NOT lie!!! Being a republican front man, I had long ago honed my skills at reading the minds of democrats. Everybody knows, except for children and liberals, that Obama was interjecting racism into the issue when he said that "if I had a son, he would look like Trayvon". Everyone knows, except for children and liberals, that the black, Muslim, socialist, racist Obama wants to call out the New Black Panthers to burn a cross in Zimmerman's yard with Zimmerman on it!

  • R on March 25, 2012 3:18 PM:

    "This was pretty obviously a cute reference to Moran’s own use of the e-word." Not obvious enough, apparently, for Moran; the poor guy didn't get your joke, Jesse.

    Obama didn't "inject" himself "thoughtlessly" into the controversy; he was asked about it by a reporter. This happens to Presidents. Did Moran ever publicly "question the motives and intentions" of W.'s responses to questions from reporters? (I know, the parsing was pretty painful then...) President Obama responded in a careful, thoughtful, articulate, and nuanced way, showing yet again how much smarter he is (think light years, if your science education hasn't been obliterated by Republican attacks on same) than his immediate predecessor or any of the Republicans in the primary. What exactly is wrong with "it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this, and that everybody pulls together — federal, state and local — to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened"?

    If liberals "constantly and deliberately misinterepret[s] the intent of conservatives" (those sluts...oops -- misplaced reference), what is the "intent" of conservatives in this particular manner? What would they like to see happen? No more hoodies for young black males (especially if they're past puberty -- no fair showing photos of a shooting victim as a cute boy if in fact his voice had changed at the time that he ended up in the morgue)? Zimmerman never goes to trial, but instead gets Secret Service protection for the rest of his life? Apparently Moran doesn't want us to "figure out exactly how this tragedy happened," perhaps simply because that's what Obama wants.

    Jesse, why did you have to provide a link to Moran's post? I really wish I hadn't seen the part where he wrote "When the president weighs in on a flashpoint controversy like this, he colors everyone's perception..." Did he really use the word "colors"? Where he's accusing Obama of being an "African American...racialist"? (My dictionary says "racialist" is a synonym for "racist" -- maybe adding a syllable makes Moran feel smarter. Nice try.) Was that a dog whistle or just a stupid word choice? Let's be generous about Moran's "intent" and say the latter.

  • Mike on March 25, 2012 3:22 PM:

    Well, the google results for "Rick Moran" "Terri Schiavo" president bush are fairly predictible:
    http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/03/17/desperate-last-minute-fight-to-save-terri/

  • desertflower on March 25, 2012 3:24 PM:

    You might want to remind Mr Moron, I mean Moran, that the President didn't inject his thoughts into this...A REPORTER ASKED HIM ABOUT IT!

  • Abc on March 25, 2012 3:27 PM:

    I tend to question the motives and intent of bloggers - especially Mr. Moran - who inject themselves thoughtlessly into controversies like the Martin tragedy.

  • desertflower on March 25, 2012 3:33 PM:

    One more thing. If he really IS a reporter,that wishes to be taken seriously, then the thinking public would ask him to refrain from injecting his opinion and using hyperbolic language.We're not asking for HIS opinion! His job is to report the facts as they are known. That is all. If we wanted HIS opinion, we'd have asked for it! Maybe he should find another line of work if he can't manage to do that.

  • Danny on March 25, 2012 3:36 PM:

    What is there to say, really? Moran is pretty much saying that he has no faith in the integrity of DoJ or the American judicial system. E.g.:

    Only little children and liberals believe that bringing DoJ into this incendiary local matter doesn’t guarantee Zimmerman’s eventual arrest and conviction for…something. Manslaughter, violation of Martin’s civil rights - it only matters in the sense that the hysteria ginned up over this horrible incident will ensure that authorities will shape their investigation to satisfy the howling mob.

    He's alleging that the judge and the citizens who will, perhaps, eventually deal with this case are going to be corrupt, and they will take their cues from dog whistling messages in POTUS statement and the media. Everyone who's not a child or a liberal knows this in his gut. And the DoJ will not do their job, but instead take secret marching orders from POTUS. Everyone who's not a child or a liberal knows this in his gut.

    What he's implying is rather offensive, I'd say.

  • globalcitizenlinda on March 25, 2012 3:48 PM:

    Moran is STILL lying in his denial.

    A quick example, Moran claims that:

    "I tend to question the motives and intent of politicians - especially presidents - who inject themselves thoughtlessly into controversies like the Martin tragedy."


    Well, anyone with a fair mind and an unbiased thought process would know that President Obama DID NOT inject himself into the Martin Tragedy. He held a press conference about his nominee to fill the World Bank post. It is members of the media who INJECTED President Obama into the national discussion by asking him ONLY THAT ONE QUESTION.

    Stop lying Serial liar

  • $2Bill on March 25, 2012 3:59 PM:

    Moran's use of 'guarantee' rather than 'probability' or 'likely' regarding an outcome he cannot possibly know is the tell. Sounds just like the full throated howl of someone who is emotionally unhinged.

  • LAC on March 25, 2012 3:59 PM:

    Think that Moran can interpret my middle finger? ''Cause I got one pointed at him.

  • rrk1 on March 25, 2012 4:01 PM:

    It's glaringly obvious that no matter what Obama says the right/reactionary echo chamber will distort, misquote, lie, criticize, condemn, and spin it into some faux crisis or outrage. I suppose we could all spend 24/7 responding to this moron's (and all his comrade's) lack of logic, but it should also be quite clear by now that there is no common ground between the wingnuts and those of us who see ourselves still grounded in a reality based world.

    The gulf is widening, but not because both sides are receding from one another. The right is moving rightward at lightening speed, into a never-never land of of their fantasies and delusions. There is no real left, and what passes as 'left' is certainly not moving leftward in any perceptible way. The 'left' is moving rightward at a much slower rate, thus the chasm grows even as the country is dragged into the abyss.

  • schtick on March 25, 2012 4:02 PM:

    It's sad that not only has the republican party called themselves the "American Taliban", but that they are also pushing the same types of rhetoric in their lies and hate and the laws which resemble so much of their hatred for everyone except the rich.
    The conservatives in the party are all gone. They've been pushed out by the extreme "American Taliban" and the wacko "Tea Bagger Party". It's a shame their followers are so easily led and lied to and follow the tealiban hatred in repeating everything with more than enough help from MSM.
    I can only hope that the tealiban drive themselves over the cliff with liars like Moran and Rush singing their praises until they finally crash and burn. Then hopefully the real conservatives that have been hiding will again come out and we'll have honest debate instead of the childish sandbox name calling. And yes, both do it, but not with the hatred behind it like they do.
    My republican relatives must be turning in their graves to see what their party has become.

    crapcha....offices), dongimp....I ain't touching that one!

  • Charles Hardwicke on March 25, 2012 4:18 PM:

    Jesse Singal, this person is beneath your notice. He is not worth responding to.

  • Jesse Singal on March 25, 2012 4:23 PM:

    @Charles -- I know. He is beneath all of our notice(s?). I think the reason I got so fixated is that unlike, say, the claim that Obama is a Marxist, which is ridiculous on a million levels but which really does come down to a matter of opinions and definitions, this was most likely a baldfaced fabrication, was Moran accusing the president of having said something he simply hadn't said.

    So I'm glad we were able to wring a response out of him, even if it was... different.

  • Matt on March 25, 2012 4:46 PM:

    I think we'd generally be better off not "arguing" these things, and instead handling it this way.

    "Rick Moran says I called him a liar, says he can't understand why I did so, and is acting upset. All three of these things are lies themselves."

    Or:

    "Newt Gingrich claimed to be infuriated by Robert DeNiro's joke about white First Ladies, which he is treating as a literal reading of DeNiro's racial views. He is lying about how he understands the joke, and his feelings regarding it."

    Or, while we're on the subject of Newt,

    "Newt Gingrich said that President Obama's remarks about Trayvon Martin were 'reprehensible' because they meant that Obama would not have regarded the shooting as tragic if the victim were white. Gingrich does not believe this was Obama's meaning, and so both the claim and the outrage Gingrich purports to feel are lies."

    Etc. etc. etc. I'm not saying "don't ever respond! Don't ever feed the trolls!" But it's okay to call them on the Kabuki outrage without bothering to unpack the absurdity of their claims.

    On the whole, the right wing is incredibly politically vulnerable to being painted as completely disingenuous--and it's not something where there's equal vulnerability on both sides, because the GOP really is being dragged into strange places by ideological calculations. I really hope Obama uses this line more going forward: "Mitt Romney says _____________. He's not saying this because he's stupid, and he's not saying it because he believes it. He's saying it because he hopes you're stupid enough to believe it."

  • Stumpy McGrumpy on March 25, 2012 4:54 PM:

    Shorter Moran: "Even if Obama had made an impassioned plea for understanding and forgiveness, I still would have said he was calling for Zimmerman's arrest and execution."

  • ComradeAnon on March 25, 2012 5:44 PM:

    I'm late to this discussion but when I read the comments on American Thinker's site when this was first mentioned, most were against Moran's comments.

  • Patango on March 25, 2012 5:58 PM:

    Moran and the ditto heads take the position that MOBS , liberals , the president , are all over reaching , we as liberals are use to the gop being clue less by now , but that does not excuse it.. How is it OVER REACHING to ask the cops to explain what happened?

    The parents waited 3 weeks for the police to release the 911 and dispatcher communications ..Eventually It became clear to them the cops did not want to release any thing , it was not until the parents went to the press and public , that the cops started actually answering questions , some how this all translates into " the mean liberals and obama picking on everyone" ? , it is all just gop crazy once again

    THE PARENTS are calling for zimmerman to be arrested , and it is clear to most people why they are outraged , then people are joining them and asking why there was NO INVESTIGATION ? that is not an over reaction , that is a call for justice .. the winger victims turn all this into , LIBERALS ARE CALLING FOR HIS BLOOD ... they are the melt down queens

    The gop know this will expose their psychotic gun laws , and expose them as the crazies they are , this is why they are defensive , a few more incidents like this , and yet another bastion of conservative crazy governing will be exposed and taken down

    The police , prosecutors and judges all said this is EXACTLY what would happen if the gop passed this STAND YOUR GROUND law , and here we are , as jeb bush himself just stated , ZIMMERMAN WAS NOT STANDING HIS GROUND , HE WAS IN PURSUIT , or something like that

  • Skip on March 25, 2012 6:26 PM:

    To satisfy the howling mob? Does it now take a howling mob for our law makers to follow through when a life is taken?

    Moran's idea of commentary would better fit OMG's website where he can pontificate over Kim Kardashian getting flour thrown over her by a lady who was PROMPTLY ARRESTED. There he'd be free to "essentially" tell Americans what HE thinks without adding to the dense political confusion already swamping his own nation.

    I "essentially" feel that voices like his are sell-outs, prostrated at the knee of the party they firmly believe will one day run this nation unimpeded by compromise or democracy.

  • Skip on March 25, 2012 6:30 PM:

    scratch [law makers] and replace with [police]...impassioned hitting of the post button got me...

  • JEA on March 25, 2012 7:01 PM:

    American Thinker will never respond to logic. They're lying, conspiratorial fanatics who constantly border on racism without even having the guts to admit it.

  • SYSPROG on March 25, 2012 7:45 PM:

    He's not LYING because 'liberals and small children' ALSO 'interpret' what politicians say. REALLY? How many times in the last few months have we seen Republican pundits out in force saying 'what he REALLY meant to say...'. I'm sure that everytime a politician speaks that his comments have been vetted and talked about BUT when they come out and actually put WORDS to their thoughts then that is what they SAID. You don't get the luxury of then saying 'yeah but he MEANT...' All of these right wingers think the President was FOR Trayvon without evidence and that he hung Zimmerman out to dry. And they say it because the President is BLACK and they see this as essentially a BLACK case. It's the same whining and sniveling you heard when a gay Judge was deciding Prop 8. A 'gay' person can't decide a legal case. BUT a white judge (and if he's conservative all the better) can judge ANYTHING...even lying embezzling white aholes that believe in God...

  • Steve P on March 25, 2012 8:02 PM:

    So . . .
    Bernie Madoff wasn't a thief.

    He just committed a little financial hyperbole.

  • Doug on March 25, 2012 8:27 PM:

    OF COURSE Moran, and the rest of the right-wing nutters, expect a judicial "lynching" - it's exactly what they'd do...

  • Roger Ailes on March 25, 2012 8:37 PM:

    Watta Moran!

  • Cha on March 25, 2012 8:38 PM:

    Jesse, I'm glad you called him out on his bald-faced lie. It's amusing to watch the Moran squirming around, rationalizing his stupid lies about President Obama.

    It's so tempting to say.. aw, I'm just gonna say it. In the infamous words of a bush supporter back in the day.

    "GET A BRAIN, MORAN!"

  • Ken on March 25, 2012 10:59 PM:

    @Jimo: (What is Fox doing then if the corporatist media that serves existing power groups in fact is not, objectively, leftist?)

    They're balancing the reality-based media.

  • Varecia on March 25, 2012 11:05 PM:

    Keep tap dancing, Mr. Moran.

  • exlibra on March 25, 2012 11:22 PM:

    Mr. Singal prefers to take a politicians [sic] words at face value. -- Rick Moran

    So... Mr Moran is sic [sic!] of the confusion reigning over the genitive plural? So am I, so am I... And I wish someone would explain it to me, a foreign user of English and a dumb Polack to boot.

    Otherwise, Mr Moran sounds surprised that anyone half-intelligent bothered to read his post (much less dissect it for content). Quite frankly, I agree with him; such a tissue of tripe and lies might have been better off left to rot.

  • registeredguest on March 26, 2012 12:12 AM:

    Rick Moran?

    Never heard of him.

  • Roger the Cabin Boy on March 26, 2012 12:32 AM:

    As the saying goes, never argue with and idiot, they just drag you down to their level and beat you up with their experience. This toad isn't worth anyone's time.

    Oh, and Mr. Moran? Fuck the hell out of you. If it weren't for wingnut welfare like the American "Thinker" you wouldn't have a job.

  • Texas Aggie on March 26, 2012 12:40 AM:

    I've never seen a picture of this Moran person, but reading his original statement and then his "defense" of his statement, I get the image of a smug, smarmy, sanctimonious stuffed shirt sitting in his club or what amounts to a club, sucking on a martini, and feeling outraged that the unwashed should in any way object to his utterances. He projects the image of a overindulged offspring of privilege who never needed to develop his thought processes because his social standing was enough to take care of him. PG Wodehouse wrote about people like him.

    I'm not saying that he is actually like that. All I'm saying is that is the image he projects, the public face he has created, if you will.

  • asian on March 26, 2012 1:45 AM:

    I hope this case will move toward a bipartisan, national civil rights movement to review our racial profiling of our police and judicial system.

    I believe in self-dense and i also believe we shouldn't pre-judge this case without court judging it to be a hate crime (though it seems so obvious).

    But if and when the DoJ and state police judge this case to be a hate crime and the "right to shoot" law encouraged the man, we should talk about repealing the laws over all the nation. This is a national issue, not just an individual or local issue.

    i hope it will lead to the review of the whole justice system.
    we need to look at disproportionate numbers of incarceration and execution of black and lationo men in this country.
    we need to look at drug war policies that convict non-violent pot smokers who are non whites.
    we need to look at private prison companies and its subsidies.
    we need to look at the money poured into prison system which is more than the money we spent on our public education.

    If those conversations did not occur, the teenage boy's death is just another isolated tragedy of accident. i'm afraid of this fading away in a year or two.

  • Jeff Johnson on March 26, 2012 2:17 AM:

    Wow. That guy Moran is a total asshole. Apparently he thinks he can read people's minds and predict the future. This is tiring. He seems like somebody that ought to be ignored on a massive scale.

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  • Rick Taylor on March 26, 2012 5:31 AM:

    Moran has a point in that people, conservative and liberal, frequently interpret and misinterpret each others' intentions. But you didn't criticize him for misinterpreting Obama's intentions, you criticized him for saying Obama something he did not actually say.

  • GeneJockey on March 26, 2012 11:58 AM:

    The problem for Conservatives is that Obama gives them so little to work with. They WANT TO cast him as a wild-eyed radical, a Socialist, stupid, weak, etc. But they have no evidence of this. He passes THEIR health care package. He draws down in Iraq according to Bush's schedule, increases troop strength in Afghanistan and keeps much of the Bush homeland security apparatus in place. He cuts taxes, and doesn't spend like a drunken sailor. He bends over backwards to seek compromise with them. What does that leave them to work with?

    Intent.

    I had a conversation with an almost reasonable Conservative recently, where I pointed all this out, and he generally agreed with me. But then he said, "But I JUST KNOW he would have gone a lot further, if he thought he could get away with it!"

    So often, that's what you hear from them - that they JUST KNOW he wants to grab our guns and declare himself President For Life, but he's biding his time. They JUST KNOW he REALLY wanted Single Payer, but knew he couldn't get it. They JUST KNOW he REALLY wanted to let Osama go, but the Generals wouldn't let him back down.

    This is what Moran has done - to take what was a very reasonable response and make it into something it was not because he JUST KNOWS what Obama was REALLY thinking.

  • WhyKnot241 on March 26, 2012 1:00 PM:

    Sacco and Vanzetti? Please...that's not just very weak tea, that is very stupid tea.

  • Stephen Stralka on March 26, 2012 6:02 PM:

    Moran is awfully quick, though, to take George Zimmerman's words at face value. I don't see how he can object to the Justice Department's involvement unless he's perfectly satisfied that Zimmerman told the complete truth, and that the local investigation left no important questions unanswered.

    And if he is satisfied, then he doesn't know enough about the case to comment on it. Or perhaps he can explain to the rest of us why, for instance, Zimmerman followed Trayvon after the 911 dispatcher told him not to.