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October 11, 2012 4:01 PM Pre-Debate Hiatus

By Ed Kilgore

Okay, you know the drill: I’m going to take some time off to recharge the batteries and read up a bit more, but will be back to live-blog the Biden-Ryan debate. It will run from 9:00-10:30 EDT, so I’ll probably check back in at around 8:30 (I’m doing a brief appearance on Washington’s WTOP radio at 7:30). Please feel free to use the comment thread to make your own predictions or observations about the debate.

Ed Kilgore is a contributing writer to the Washington Monthly. He is managing editor for The Democratic Strategist and a senior fellow at the Progressive Policy Institute. Find him on Twitter: @ed_kilgore.


  • Sgt. Gym Bunny on October 11, 2012 4:14 PM:

    I don't know if I'm going to make this debate tonight. Not so much because of the debate itself, as much as the smarmy commentary that is sure to follow.

    While Obama vs. Mitt Part I didn't really alarm me too much (I think Obama did fine, though he could have done better), folks on the left seriously went ape-shit in the aftermath.

    I might watch, so long as us lefty-liberals promise not to throw ourselves out the nearest plate-glass window--figurative or otherwise... Keep it together, Lefties!!!! GOTV!!!!!

  • Joe Friday on October 11, 2012 4:32 PM:

    Everyone should keep in mind, that whenever Biden attacks Ryan's budget proposals, and Ryan responds that it's now Romney's proposals they are running on, and they're (supposedly) "different", Romney is ON RECORD stating he would SIGN THE RYAN BUDGET INTO LAW if he were president.

  • mike reilly on October 11, 2012 4:34 PM:

    go play some bball before the debate.... something Obama should do before his..

  • c u n d gulag on October 11, 2012 4:44 PM:

    SLACKER!!! ;-)

    I'll be watching the debate with my Obama and Biden Lovin' Mama!!!

  • berttheclock on October 11, 2012 6:20 PM:

    Geez, and I just took a break by perusing the re-elect website of Rep. Scott DesJarlais, the Congressman from Tennessee. Just love two things about his site. One, he mentions his wife, three children and the work they do in the church. Then, on the subject of abortion, he states: "All life should be cherished and protected. We are Pro-Life".

    This from the good MD/Congressman, who impregnated a patient, and, then, called her to tell her to get an abortion. Gotta love those Republicans who stand four square behind their convictions.

  • exlibra on October 11, 2012 6:47 PM:

    Not a prediction or an observation; just an amusing bit to tickle your funny bone... Congressman Ryan is so insistent on being "incognito", he's self-demoted:


    Of course, famously "gaffe-prone" Biden is *precisely* the person who's likely to "forget" the request. I can just see him tripping over his tongue: "that's just not true, Congressma... er... MISTER Ryan"

  • SecularAnimist on October 11, 2012 6:49 PM:

    I don't plan to watch or listen to any of the debates.

    There will be absolutely nothing in them or about them that will affect how I'm going to vote, or that will affect anything I'm going to do or not do between now and election day, and I don't find them remotely interesting or entertaining.

    Romney and Ryan are blatant, despicable liars, and while Obama and Biden are both decent enough guys, I don't particularly enjoy listening to either of them talk.

    And the complete avoidance of THE EXISTENTIAL THREAT to the USA, human civilization and the human species -- anthropogenic global warming -- by both candidates and moderators while they all prattle on about rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic is appalling and depressing.

  • DJ on October 11, 2012 7:34 PM:

    Not a prediction or an observation; just an amusing bit to tickle your funny bone... Congressman Ryan is so insistent on being "incognito", he's self-demoted:

    That just tees up a withering comment by Biden: rattle off the utter lack of accomplishments of the Congress, and say "with such a terrible record, I wouldn't want anyone to know I was a congressman, either." Then every time you refer to him, put a little emphasis on "Mister."

  • Jack G on October 11, 2012 7:39 PM:

    If Biden hasn't pointed out that Ryan is a fraud and a liar by 9:30, I'm going to bed.

  • Anonymous on October 11, 2012 8:07 PM:

    I figured Romney would to pretty well in the first debate (I completely missed it), but I'll watch this one because of Ryan's Tampa convention speech in which he looked like a deer in headlights. IMHO he seemed rattled by the big stage which I hadn't expected. I'm sure he'll be prepared and smile as he rattles off his practiced lies in the debate, but he's also pretty thin skinned and lacks policy chops despite his reputation. Plus, Biden is a much better debater than Obama. I didn't and still don't expect much from any of the Presidential debates but this one has my interest piqued. I don't know about the format, but I really hope they can go after one another.

  • John B. on October 11, 2012 8:40 PM:

    Jesus! When will Democrats wake up & smell the lunacy?

    From the Maddow Blog: "When Paul Ryan and Joe Biden take the debate stage tonight in Danville, Ky., the form of address the vice president is supposed to use with his opponent is "mister" instead of "congressman" ... ."

    "The form of address is part of the detailed memorandum of understanding between the two camps, according to the sources familiar with the document.

    Why did the Republicans insist on this? That's easy: "Ryan is a leading member of the least popular Congress... ."

    The really, really hard question is "Why did the Democrats agree?"

  • John B. on October 11, 2012 8:45 PM:

    OK. Now I see there's an update. It's not Biden... it's Martha radditz who is prohibited from embarrassing Ryan by calling him a "congressman."

    This gets better and better. I wonder what Ryan's mother or the secretary with whom he is sleeping calls him?