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November 07, 2012 11:44 AM Schadenfreude Thread

By Ed Kilgore

I’m working on a couple of sober posts on the future of the Republican Party and the conservative movement, and at some point will get around to the unresolved conflicts in the Donkey Party as well. We’ll have additional commentary on the policy impact of the election, on the shape of the electorate, on new faces (particularly women!) in Washington, and on what he need to do with the nation’s electoral rules and machinery.

But first, as commenter Karen suggested last night: given the length and bitterness of this campaign, readers deserve a thread devoted to pure, honest schadenfreude. Feel free to wallow in the misery of the Opposing Army; the revealed folly of its endless and interminable predictions of Total Victory; the dashing of its dreams of Paul Ryan running the country from both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue; the stubborn refusal of the New Deal and Great Society legacies to lay down and die. Karl Rove, Dick Morris, Jen Rubin, Michael Barone, Peggy Noonan, George Will, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, and the entire Fox News Network: surely they deserve a moment of clear-eyed mockery before we move on!

Then we can get back to calm analysis and treating conservatives as fellow-citizens with patriotic sentiments and honest motives, if they give us a chance.

Ed Kilgore is a contributing writer to the Washington Monthly. He is managing editor for The Democratic Strategist and a senior fellow at the Progressive Policy Institute. Find him on Twitter: @ed_kilgore.

Comments

  • Chris on November 07, 2012 11:53 AM:

    I'm not as articulate as the fellow that left a comment on Chait's blog this morning, so I'll just quote him instead: "I feel nothing but glee at their suffering. I would travel the nation this morning stopping to take a dump in each of their coffee mugs if I could. They have spent four years sowing the seeds of mindless hate and reality-denying stupidity. Last night the bill came due. Eat it."

  • Kansachusetts on November 07, 2012 11:59 AM:

    My local newspaper, the Worcester (MA)Telegram & Gazette, has maintained its ultra-conservative editorial policy for the two decades or so that the New York Times has owned it. (What does that say about the owners of the New York Times?) Meanwhile, we're represented by one of the most progressive congressmen in America, Jim McGovern, and last night we put Elizabeth Warren over the top.

    Nothing would please me more than to either dump John Kerry for a more progressive, more "Massachusetts" senator, or to have Kerry, and Obama, move back from the brink of bargaining away Social Security. I'm hoping that the liberal tinge to this election catches even Obama's eye. He gave what I thought was his best speech last night. Will he start to fight, or will he continue to try to pretend there are Republicans he can make deals with?

  • Roger Keeling on November 07, 2012 11:59 AM:

    I'd love nothing more than lay down a graph or two of triumphant snark. But the truth is, I was scared to death that those rightwing fools were going to edge to a win. I think the results would have been catastrophic for our nation, and for me personally. It's a bullet dodged, and it doesn't put my mind to the jolly task of giving them a one-finger salute of good riddance.

  • POed Lib on November 07, 2012 11:59 AM:

    I am so glad to see the whining. Two years of continual lying from the scum in the REpukeliscum party, and they lost. SO, I am going to fucking GLOAT!!

  • best alien on November 07, 2012 12:00 PM:

    The downfall of the odious Alan West is one of the best moments of this election. BTW, is Bachmann still hanging on? I hope not.

    "neonces premeditated."

  • exlibra on November 07, 2012 12:00 PM:

    I don't give a flying duck about the pundicks but I sure enjoy the thought of Adelson and the Koch vermin weeping over the oodles of cash they pumped into this, and all for naught. Millions of zeros for them, 4 More 44 for us.

  • IndyLinda on November 07, 2012 12:06 PM:

    I live in a conservative affluent district in a red state, although I'm neither conservative nor affluent. I spent 1 1/2 hours in line at the polls yesterday, listening rich white guys express rage that someone had dared to post an Obama sign outside the polling place, and whining about how they'd have to "move their investments" (perhaps to the Caymans?) if Obama won. (As if the stock market hasn't done well under Obama.) They ended with a fist bump and one whispered to the other, "Do the right thing, brother!" It makes me very happy to think of those twits calling their brokers this morning in tears.

  • hueyplong on November 07, 2012 12:09 PM:

    Nothing tops Karl Rove's humiliating on-air meltdown on FoxNews when they called Ohio.

    I channel-changed there in search of Schadenfreude, but had no idea it could be that good.

  • Patience on November 07, 2012 12:10 PM:

    I'm thrilled that all the Super PAC money was for naught, and it makes me generally thrilled to think that the Democratic wave would have been much stronger if not for it-- in other words, if it took hundreds of millions to fight the Democrats to a draw, our political future looks good. However, I suspect that they will learn nothing and spend a good portion of their next four years of profits on campaign ads complaining that the Democrats have destroyed capitalism. So my schadenfreude is tempered by the fact that the Big Grift by Rove, Norquist, et al. will continue when that money could surely be put to more productive use creating jobs for folks other than media consultants and ad gurus.

  • BillFromPA on November 07, 2012 12:10 PM:

    Wifey and I celebrated 40 yrs of married bliss this Aug despite holding opposite views on politics and religion, we cancel each other out at the voting booth. Last night we took turns watching the network of choice, I let her go first as I knew nothing much would be learned before 8 pm, she tuned into Fox, naturally. I ended up staying with them most of the night. I could tell by tone of voice, body language and early excuse making that the crew was bracing their disciples for a loss, and I found that to be more enjoyable than MSNBC. I particularly liked watching Rove twist, slowly, slowly in the wind, to quote Ehrlichman, (or was it Haldeman?), trying to get Fox to un-call Ohio for Obama. I like to thnk of myself as a kind individual, but it seems I get kick out of seeing people I despise suffer.

  • KangarooJack on November 07, 2012 12:12 PM:

    I've heard this mentioned a few times now, but can the political world please stop calling Karl Rove a genius now?? He won in 2000 by a vote of 5-4, barely won in 2004 thanks to Ohio shenanigans, whiffed big time in 2006 and 2008, and spent hundreds of millions this year with nothing to show for it. The guy couldn't find "the math" with two hands and a flashlight.

  • Kansachusetts on November 07, 2012 12:13 PM:

    To be a little more schadenfreudy, I have to post this:
    Boston Herald conservative columnist Joe Battenfeld wrote a column this morning called "GOP needs a facelift" (I would have said a heart transplant) in which he opined that the Republican Party has to attract women and Latinos. This comment from "RodDangerfield" confirms my opinion that the Republican base isn't going that way quietly:
    "The GOP are not the party of the giveaway. That is the DNC, Joe. If you want to have women and latinos, you have to give them free stuff. Whether that is Birth Control or Illegal Access to the country skipping the immigration process. ... People need to get off their *** and work for their things. I will help the disabled and the infirm, I will not work for the layabout. If one is not willing to work, then one is not going to complain if he or she goes hungry. The GOP has to keep up the attack ads, they work. Obama won on Attacking Romney. ... The GOP should focus their message on the workers and tell the gimme crowd to pound sand."

  • golack on November 07, 2012 12:15 PM:

    Yes, but who will be flooding all the Sunday morning talking head shows with vile and anger?

  • b on November 07, 2012 12:16 PM:

    Chris, thank you for re-posting. Exactly how I feel.

    Think I have to re-post as well:
    "I feel nothing but glee at their suffering. I would travel the nation this morning stopping to take a dump in each of their coffee mugs if I could. They have spent four years sowing the seeds of mindless hate and reality-denying stupidity. Last night the bill came due. Eat it."

  • Sgt. Gym Bunny on November 07, 2012 12:19 PM:

    I knew we had this one in the bucket by the look on all those pale faces in Boston at Romney Headquarters when Elizabeth Warren snuffed out Scott Brown. Sure it was still early, but as the night wore on that room got quieter and quieter--like they were watching an asteroid hurdle towards this little mud ball. Amazingness. (Meanwhile in Chicago... LOL)

    I don't typically like to wallow in someone else's misery, but this was much deserved. After all the hatred they spewed, the lies they've been telling, and the money they have sunk into that campaign of crock... seeing those quiet looks of horror was a like a fastasmical orgasm.

    Also, Mitt's concession speech was fucking horrible. He said absolutely nothing. I'm thinking this is because he only wrote one speech--a victory speech--and that speech was just as vague, generically interchangeable and pithy as his entire campaign has been. And I'm mad that those asshats waited until well after midnight to concede Ohio. Their pissing around left me with only about 3 hours of sleep when Obama finished his acceptance speech.

    On a happier note: Are the Obama's a beautiful family or what?!?!!!! Oh-em-gee!!!! His daughters have grown up so much and are so pretty!!! I have never been so in love with an entire family since the Cosby's (and they were fictional). I'm happy to have the Obama's as the First Family.

  • Perspecticus on November 07, 2012 12:20 PM:

    Over at Charlie Pierce's Daily Politics Blog, Steve Levin put in a piece where he was interviewing deflated attendees at a Romney rally. One of the quotes:

    "I'll probably go broked. I'll lose both my businesses," said Kelsey Alexander. "I have a new business... with 50 employees and I don't know if it'll survive."

    So, you have multiple businesses. And you have a new business with 50 employees that, for it to be "new" I should think, it would have had to have been opened within the past year. The economy, that is improving, was good enough for you to start a new 50 person business, and your business acumen is such that you have multiple businesses. But you have no idea if your ventures will survive a continuing improving economy?

    I heard someone quoting Mitch McConnell as quadrupling down on the GOP theory of compromise by saying something along the lines of "The American people re-elected Obama so that he can continue to do the work he was elected for... enacting far-right policies as put forth by the far-right House GOP." To that I say, "Mr. Kelsey Alexander, you certainly have something to fear but it is not residing in, or likely to come out of, the White House."

  • punaise on November 07, 2012 12:25 PM:

    First, a huge sigh of relief: things won't suddenly get radically worse. Then take great pleasure in seeing lies, hypocrisy, and ignorance go down in flames.

  • CharlieM on November 07, 2012 12:25 PM:

    Listening to the wailing on the right this a.m., I'm reminded of the quote from my favorite WoW boss - "Despair....so delicious".
    I'm soooo looking forward to Thanksgiving this year with my TeaPutz relatives. I'll be insufferable with my sneering and mockery.

  • Neildsmith on November 07, 2012 12:28 PM:

    I thinking we should kick them repeatedly now that they are down.

  • Jim Strain on November 07, 2012 12:31 PM:

    Millions, and millions, and millions of right wing dollars up in flames. Thanks, Kochs, and Karl, and all you faceless corporations (or is that "people"?).

  • Digital Amish on November 07, 2012 12:32 PM:

    I started a list on my FB page of people whom I now hope we never have to hear from again. Among them I included Donald Trump. My daughter commented that she would like to see him one more time ... with Stephen Colbert's balls in his mouth.

  • sjw on November 07, 2012 12:32 PM:

    I will never forgive Mitch McConnell for what he did to the economy specifically and Americans generally: the evil architect of a treasonous obstructionism, he deserves a special place in political hell. But I take great satisfaction in seeing his cynical plan fail: his number one goal was to defeat Obama; part two of that same plan was to retake the Senate. Someday an historian will tell his story, it won't be pretty, and he will get his due.

  • Bo on November 07, 2012 12:33 PM:

    I love the taste of clear-eyed mockery in the morning!

    Perhaps we can crowd-source some new nicknames for the putrid pundits and talking heads that Ed has so graciously provided us . . . and add a few more to the list. I will give you a couple to start the ball rolling and hope that others will add some more. I think this can be entertaining, cathartic and therapeutic after suffering these fools for four years (or longer}:

    "Landslide" Morris

    "Gag-me-with-a-spoon" Gingrich

    George "Won't"

    I could go on and on but I would rather read someone else's creative thoughts on this.

  • Sgt. Gym Bunny on November 07, 2012 12:33 PM:

    @BillinPA: Last night was the only night that I wished I had Fox News. I would have paid good money (but not a cable bill) to watch that melt down.

    Moving forward: I really hope that the GOP will really turn down the crazy. Since Palin's entrance into national political/comedy theatre, I feel like I've been in a twilight zone of batshit crazy pols and pundits. Non-stop crazy for the last 4 years. I thought the Palin fiasco was a once-in-a-lifetime bit of political craziness. Whodathunk that the GOP would come back with entire mid-term and primary season lineups of crazy mutherfuckers trying to out-crazy each other??? My nerves are seriously shot...

    I think I need a vacation now. But if we have to do this shit again, I say: Bring it, BITCHES!!!!

  • Rob on November 07, 2012 12:35 PM:

    A political movement this crazy isn't going to fix itself. And the funders have plenty of resources to keep them hooked on the crazy, the fear, and the hate. You know what they say about a wounded wild animal...tighten your chin-straps, this ain't over. They'll be back.

  • Bo on November 07, 2012 12:38 PM:

    Oh, yes, and one more bonus new nickname because I agree with the previous poster that KKKarl should no longer be called "genius" or "the architect".

    "Wrecking-ball" Rove

  • HBinBoston on November 07, 2012 12:43 PM:

    Romney Should Have Won!

    Romney should have won. He had a perfect storm of issues to his advantage: the economy, Washington gridlock, distrust of Obamacare, weariness over two inconclusive wars. But he ran the most inept, inane and irrelevant campaign imaginable.

    Turns out that campaign manager Eric Fehrnstrom’s notorious “Etch-a-sketch” remark last March was completely accurate. Romney was to run as a right-wing gomer in the primaries and then move to the middle after he got the nomination. And that’s all there was! Campaigns for student council president at Podunk Junior High School have displayed more sophistication. And Romney’s vaunted move to the middle was ham-fisted, bone-headed, and flat-footed to a fault. It made Bob Dole’s dudfest in 1996 look brilliant. (And Dole never ran away from his record.)

    The cracks and crevices that Romney’s contentless campaign let the racially-driven hatred of Obama seethe and smolder. No dog whistle politics needed. He overwhelmingly got the white vote. Congratulations.

    All of this has consequences. Our family has lived in a small town south of Boston for many years. It’s solidly Republican, which means that many, if not most, of our neighbors and friends regularly vote Republican. And, yes, they say they like small government, magical markets, and the need for a 1982 foreign policy. But they are decent people who worry about their kids and grandkids and are genuinely perplexed about where America is heading. And if the Republican party is going to become anything more than a gaggle of misfits and malcontents it needs people like this. Romney let them down. He needs to explain to these folks why he did this. He can call this his apology tour.


  • Josef K on November 07, 2012 12:44 PM:

    John Boehner is already making noises about taxes and not letting the Bush Boondoggle sunset. Anyone care to wager how long that'll last?

  • New York Crank on November 07, 2012 12:45 PM:

    I'm glad Obama won, but I'm very reluctant to gloat. It won't win us any friends, and although Obama is a million miles better than Romney, he's also a half million miles away from progressive – at least so far.

    Instead of gloating we should be reminding President Obama that we did not vote for him to see him put "on the table" and bargain away Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, our ailing earth's climate, and the reasonable expectations of citizens that they should be neither robbed nor poisoned when they go to the bank or the grocery store.

    The one no-gloating suggestion I have pertains to Donald Trump, who was essentially calling for revolution last night (isn't that against some law we have opposing subversion?) because America doesn't see things his way. I'd like to see the guy stripped to his boxers, locked in rolling stocks, and paraded through the street with a dunce cap on his head. Passing citizenry would be permitted to poke him with sticks.

    Very crankily yours,
    The New York Crank

  • Bob M on November 07, 2012 12:46 PM:

    I hope someone makes a pop song out all the right wing whining because it is music to my ear already.

  • punaise on November 07, 2012 12:50 PM:

    @Bo:
    Karl, Rove-ing the Ohio countryside in search of those elusive R votes.

    I actually channel-surfed to Fox just in time to see his wig-out. Wear it like an albatross, Karl.

  • gifgrrl on November 07, 2012 12:52 PM:

    I am just loving the fact that Mittens only wrote a victory speech. Talk about over the top hubris.


    And the faces at the "victory party" in Boston - my 12 year old daughter called them "Romney zombies." It looked like their brains had shut down.

    Me, I can't stop smiling.

  • LAC on November 07, 2012 12:59 PM:

    On-line mocking!! YAY!!

    Redstate fools and Erick Erickson - how's that landslide going? How's that Romney MO' flowing? Got a bag of dicks you can go suck on!

    Cokie Roberts, Peggy Noonan, Mara Liasson - take your fake concern head tilts and your inside the beltway bullshit and go sit your suburban asses down somewhere. The less said by you, the better.

    Chris Matthews and Ed Schultz - Obama doesn't owe you an explanation about shit. Clinton was thanked. Shut up and spare us any more stories about the the time Tip O'Neill and you fell down drunk somewhere and laughed and laughed. You are lucky we wanted to hear from you since your last tantrums.

    Karl Rove - you better hope that the 1% isn't going to call for their money back. And your bitch ass behavior on Faux News, with Megan McWhateverthefuck looking like her brain shut off (again) was comedy gold!! Thanks, turd!!

    Chuck Todd - you and your weak chin had better see if Nate Silver has time to teach you how to read polls. Your CYA act last night was as funny as it was predictable.

    CNN - are you a news channel or an offshoot of 20th century fox? I was waiting for cast of "The West Wing" to start performing or a robot version of Lincoln to walk around. All those movie props of Congress and you still were a half hour behind in what was going on.

    Trump - I got two middle fingers pumped for you. Go tweet that, bitch...

    Got 5 hours of sleep, so this list is not complete... :)

  • Ronald on November 07, 2012 1:00 PM:

    Today is the day to celebrate a win for America.
    Anybody who reads this page knows that a genuine threat to our country was averted yesterday- had the Republicans carried the day, they would have been chaos and a decimation of the strengths that make this country great.
    Nothing spoke louder than seeing the diversity of faces in the Obama crowd, vs the old withering white faces in Romneys.

    The lies? didn't work.
    The endless corporate money? didn't work.
    The right wing echo chamber that escalated any little perceived slight as the next 'X-gate'? didn't work.
    The 'war on women'? didn't work.
    The predictive powers of Morris, Noonan, Rove, et al? didn't work.
    The attempt to make the election about 'voting out the ni**er'? didn't work.
    'Self-deportation'? didn't work.
    All Abortion All The Time? didn't work.
    Old right-wing men commenting on rape? didn't work.
    Romney/Ryan? totally utterly and completely didn't work. :D

    OK.
    So all this pride is great and well earned, but it pays to remember that these people are still around, that the right wing still control the House, that Fox News isn't going to 'close up shop and go away' just because Obama won, that there is going to be months of 'stolen election' memes...

    One things to remember and be proud of- Democrats have one advantage over Republicans...once the party is over, we pull up our Big Boy pants and get to working.

    And there's still some work to be done, that's for sure.

    Today though? Celebrate and feel good about the efforts that we each put into this cycle- they were well worth it- even if all you did was vote. :D

  • g on November 07, 2012 1:00 PM:

    Millions, and millions, and millions of right wing dollars up in flames. Thanks, Kochs

    Yeah, you'd think if they'd just put all this money into something like - oh, I dunno, Obama's jobs bill? - we might be in a different place today.

    where'd all that sweet Koch money go, right wing consultants and advertising time and expense accounts for political operatives?

  • Ronald on November 07, 2012 1:03 PM:

    Oh, and before I forget, a personal note to Grover Norquist:

    PBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBT!

    Sign this, asshat!

  • cwolf on November 07, 2012 1:05 PM:

    Fee(l) free to wallow in the misery of the Opposing Army; the revealed folly of its endless and interminable predictions of Total Victory...

    I always do that, but it's sweeter when one gets to see Canned Rove unhinged.
    This over hyped charlatan needed SCOTUS to win his first go with W, Barely guided W to reelection & had to make dubious arrangements in OH to get that win, Totally lost his "Math" in 2008, and...
    ...What can one say about his colossal Fail yesterday?

    Well, I can say: "Suck on this Carl"

  • bmcchgo on November 07, 2012 1:08 PM:

    I read a story a few days ago about how big money hedge fund managers who backed Romney big time were planning lavish 'victory' parties in Las Vegas, NY and a few other places. How I'd love to feel the mood in that crowd when all those battleground states got called for PBO last night.

    These Wall Street money (white) men were pissed that they were (rightly) being blamed for the financial meltdown in '08, so they decided to take their whiny hissy fit out on the President by giving billions to the GOP and their SuperPacs. And it did not work.

    They will not miss the money they spent, but they now know that their wealth cannot dictate who has power in this country, Citizens United be damned.

  • c u n d gulag on November 07, 2012 1:12 PM:

    Dear GOP:
    You ain't birthin' angry white men and women fast enough!

    So, get to it - GO FUCK YOURSELVES!!!*

    *My apologies for cursing. But they've earned it!

  • Zorro on November 07, 2012 1:13 PM:

    There's some talk that, after R-money's defeat by President Obama, as well as the Senate losses due to Tea Partier foolishness (the pro-rape part of the GOP) the GOP will back away from some of the harder-right aspects of its platform. Sadly, this ignores recently history entirely.

    In 2008, the GOP suffered near-historic defeats at the polls, in no small part as a reaction to the past 8 years of GOP mis-rule. The lesson taken from this by the GOP was that they had lost, not because they were too conservative, but because they were not conservative *enough.* Hence the rise of the Tea Partiers, who picked up Congressional seats (usually by defeating conservative Dems) in 2010.

    Fast forward 2 years... the talk is already beginning among the conservative commentariat that Romney lost because, despite his running to right and presenting himself as a "severely conservative" former MA Governor, people looked through that disguise and saw a moderate. So, if past is precedent- and it tends to be- expect the next 4 years to see a further purge from the GOP of perceived moderates. Consider this: Dick Lugar was successfully painted as being moderate, leading to the unexpected pickup of his Indiana Senate seat as TP favourite Richard Mourdock's seemingly pro-rape comments made him unacceptable to those outside of the GOP far-right. Expect to see more of that. Despite Chris Christie's popularity in NJ, he may come under fire as insufficiently-conservative due to the kind words he had for President Obama after hurricane Sandy.

    One might say "pass the popcorn," and watch the GOP change itself into an irrelevant party. But I disagree firmly. For our form of government to work, we need (at least) 2 competitive parties with rational, explainable visions of how to govern. And, no, tax cuts alone do not constitute a rational vision. We *need* the GOP to return to a more moderate form for the sake of good governance. Consider this, as well: Ronald Reagan would be considered a RINO in today's GOP, given that he supported tax hikes in 7 our of the 8 years he was in office. When Ronald Reagan is too liberal for your party, might I suggest that you need to reassess your party?

  • truthbetold on November 07, 2012 1:16 PM:

    It is more than obvious that the hardcore conservatives are having a difficult time grasping what happen last night. They had a very good opportunity to regain back the White House and Senate. They blew it by trying to disenfranchise groups of people, denigrate the President and Liberalism. They double down on their philosophy of individualism and smaller government. They played like high rollers and gambled big and watch it all disappear in a blink of an eye. Karl Rove is no longer the political powerhouse and king maker he thought he was. Fox is in denial. The Tea party is losing steam and flavor.
    Women made big inroads politically. Minorities show they will not be silenced or disenfranchised. Once again our voting system shows how inadequate it is.
    This a rude wake-up call for the Republican party if they refuse to heed it they will be wandering the political desert for generations. From what I have seen they have not learned a damn thing.

  • Just Guessing on November 07, 2012 1:18 PM:

    The cherry on top was watching Rove unravel on Fox about calling Ohio for the President. Reminded me of Kilgore in Apocalypse Now on teh aftermath of battle - "smelled like......... victory".

  • mellowjohn on November 07, 2012 1:20 PM:

    seeing donald trump make a bigger ass of himself than usual was hu-u-uge!

  • Sgt. Gym Bunny on November 07, 2012 1:22 PM:

    LAC: Got 5 hours of sleep, so this list is not complete... :)

    More, please!!!! LMFAO!!!!

  • PTate in MN on November 07, 2012 1:24 PM:

    When Dorothy throws a bucket of water to save Scarecrow's life, some of the water hits the wicked Witch of the West, and she melts away, wailing, "Oh, what a world! What a world! Who would have thought a good little girl like you could destroy my beautiful wickedness? Oooooh, look out! I'm going! Oooooh!"

    Substitute "Americans" for "a good little girl" and you've got the Republicans this morning, heh.

    We're not home yet by any means, but decent people who love America won last night. I'm happy. I feel genuine hope for my country for the first time in years.

  • PTate in MN on November 07, 2012 1:31 PM:

    Does anyone know if the $1 billion+ spent to defeat Obama was enough to stimulate the economy and help Obama win?

    Wouldn't that be delicious, if true?

  • Steve P on November 07, 2012 1:32 PM:

    Ah, the Adelson/Rove post-election discussion:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbwqeSV8Wc4

  • AndrewBW on November 07, 2012 1:35 PM:

    I won't say it was worth the last 4/8/12 years, but watching Karl Rove shit his pants on live TV last night was pretty damn satisfying. And Donald Trump's tweets today about how this is not a democracy? What a slobbering cretin. And Dick Morris too, that fat creep. And Peggy Noonan, a senseless bag of bones who shouldn't be let anywhere near a computer. To all of them I say: Suck on it, assholes.

    And to any Republican concern trolls surfing this page: Payback's a bitch.

  • June on November 07, 2012 1:53 PM:

    I'm looking forward to Paul Ryan having to continue to address Obama as Mr. President. Eat it "wunderkind."

  • Perspecticus on November 07, 2012 2:02 PM:

    Has anybody heard from the founder of unskewedpolls.com?

  • DisgustedWithItAll on November 07, 2012 2:06 PM:

    "Then we can get back to calm analysis and treating conservatives as fellow-citizens with patriotic sentiments and honest motives, if they give us a chance."

    I will never get back to treating them "as fellow-citizens with patriotic sentiments and honest motives" until they show they have them.

    Given the last four (to 32 years), they deserve no respect until they earn it. Until then, it's the complete disdain they've earned. Seriously, read Rubin, Will, etc. Talk to everyday wingnuts. They deserve no respect. Absolutely none.

    Crush them like a bug. Win for once, God damn it.

  • schtick on November 07, 2012 2:23 PM:

    All those millions of dollars spent by people that never earned a dime of it because they were born into it, calling others lazy, looking for handouts, and other lies just to spread hate. All those millions spent to put a president in office with enough working digits to sign bills placed in front of him. All those millions spent to get someone as president to lower their taxes so instead of paying nothing, they would get refunds on top of their subsidies. All those millions spent to get someone in to remove what little rules and regulations on big business and banks so they can screw the American public AGAIN. All those millions spent that has to be at least a thousand times more than they would ever pay in taxes. All those millions and they lost. All those millions with no chips to call in.
    I cracked open my hooch last nite and had two double shots straight. I haven't had a drink in years and it went down so well. We can't gloat for too long tho. We have more work to do in two years to get rid of the deadwood from both parties in Congress. You can bet the tearats are already plotting their next move. Well, they will be once they pump Karl full of sedatives.

  • bigtuna on November 07, 2012 2:31 PM:

    Who gets teh OFA databases, structure, software, etc? Seems like a pretty valuable tool. And, you cannot wait 3 yrs to upgrade - whatever system OFA has, it needs to be maintained, upgraded, etc., to be read for 2016.

    In looking at some of the results, NC was close: and Obama has > 40% in SC, GA, MS, TX, and AZ. Lots of chatter about AZ moving to a swing state category, but is there some way of building on what the jabbering class calls the Obama new Dem. coalition to get toe holds in several other states? Who would inherit that? Could there be a 2016 or a 2020 in which Repubs need to defend AZ and GA?

  • PEA on November 07, 2012 3:20 PM:

    This campaign wiped out any remaining speck of doubt I may have had about the power and intent of the uber rich, and their willingness to do anything to keep/increase that power. I was seriously worried by the suppressing and possible hacking in OH & elsewhere. I've begun to feel like we're in a particularly creepy and dark Twilight Zone episode. It's not fun to feel you have to be super-vigilant about these AHs just to stay safe and enjoy life.

    Bigtuna: yes, some deserving Dem needs to inherit the system that worked so well for O's team. Maybe that was one reason Clinton worked so hard for Obama...? We seriously need to not lose that advantage.

    Meanwhile, ever vigilant: Please pay attend to proposed legislation by Portman, Collins, & Wagner, which may be voted on by Lieberman's committee in a week (!), which could make it possible to sneak this ugly puppy into some must-pass legislation in the dead of night. It's purpose is to reduce regulations on corporations (of course) and diminish the role of real science in our regulatory system. See for ex: (and there's a NYT blog on this I forgot to mark).

    http://blog.ucsusa.org/portmans-proposals-would-endanger-both-science-and-citizens/

    For our own clean air, water, nuclear, product,& drug safety, let's be sure these POS don't succeed!

    And BTW, the Union of Concerned Scientists is a great educational organization that provides very useful info about science/politics. Remember them at charitable giving time...

    Ok, now I'm ready for a pitcher of margaritas!

  • TCinLA on November 07, 2012 3:26 PM:

    Looks like Dean Chambers (unskewedpolls.com) has a head as fat as his ass.

  • KarenJG on November 07, 2012 4:28 PM:

    I'm not really a schadenfreude kind of gal, but even if I were, this wouldn't be an occasion for it, IMHO. Yes, I have a major case of the Happies over Obama's win and our pick-ups in the Senate, but the truth is, the Pubs haven't lost as big as you think they have.

    Case in point - my state of Michigan. The Pubs went all out to capture the state House & Senate as well as the governorship in 2010, just as they did in 2000. After two redistricting cycles with the Pubs in charge, their federal and state candidates' districts are so safe that it would take the equivalent of a nuclear bomb to dislodge them. In my district, a nutcase raindeer herder handily won against a serious, well-respected doctor and local Councilman. Granted, he was of Indian descent and a Muslim. But still. I'm going to be "represented" (haha) in Congress by a conspiracy-nut-raindeer herder!! Ugh. If Dems couldn't beat him, that seat is NEVER going to flip. And, of course, I'm "represented" in the state legislature by Pubs in equally safe districts.

    I would note that even though Michigan has two Democratic Senators, and went for the Democratic Presidential candidate in the last several elections, Repubs still have an outsized majority in our U.S. House delegation. It's not right, it's not fair, and it's not an accident. And I see no way to change it given the advantages they've built into the design of the electoral districts.

    On top of that, their money bombs did significant damage in a lot of down ticket races, and in defeating important proposals here in Michigan. Which was the most important is arguable, but protecting collective bargaining rights was a big one for me, given what's been going on in states around us. Not to mention that oil & gas money managed to beat back a proposal to mandate faster adoption of renewable energy and to restrict their ability to raise utility rates.

    So, no. No schadenfreude for me. Just a sigh of relief, a pause to smile and catch my breath. Then, it's back to work.

  • Barbara on November 07, 2012 5:04 PM:

    The best thing for me is knowing that turnout among African Americans in Ohio was UP over 2008 (probably in PA too).

    It's almost too delicious to think that by overtly threatening to take away people's votes the racist f*cks ended up galvanizing those same people to be even more determined to vote. I mean, if you know someone is really, really trying to keep you from voting, that's a sign, right, that they really don't have your best interests at heart.

    I've been reading NRO today because I truly want to know what they think happened -- and in trying to deconstruct the debacle and think about how to broaden the base, not a single one of these writers has mentioned that voter suppression is probably not a good strategy for getting people to vote for you and might actually turn off a few white people as well.

  • massivRuss on November 07, 2012 5:22 PM:

    "You want fries with that?"
    - Eric Fehrnstrom

    Talk about shadenfreude! This is the guy who steered both Scott Brown and Mitt Romney into the Great Lake of Fail.

    "Hey Scott. You're a nice guy. Be a Dick to Win!"

    "Hey Mitt. You're not likeable. Be a Bigger Dick to Win!"

  • David Carlton on November 07, 2012 7:03 PM:

    I remember an old tradition at TNR in the 1980s and early 1990s--the Quadrennial Recriminations Issue, in which Democratic circular firing squads were given space to blaze away. It's so pleasant to see the shoe on the other foot.

  • AndrewBW on November 07, 2012 10:52 PM:

    I wonder how George Bush and Dick Cheney are feeling these days.

  • Nobody on November 08, 2012 4:57 PM:

    Thank you Chris:

    "I feel nothing but glee at their suffering. I would travel the nation this morning stopping to take a dump in each of their coffee mugs if I could. They have spent four years sowing the seeds of mindless hate and reality-denying stupidity. Last night the bill came due. Eat it."

    Awesome! I love it.

    More Schadenfreude please! I can't seem to get enough of it right now. :-)