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November 20, 2011 11:25 AM Competing, incompatible conversations

By Steve Benen

The deadline for the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction — better known as the super-committee — is still a few days away, but even the most naive optimists are willing to concede the panel will fail, as it was destined to do from the start. The Washington Post reports that members, probably tomorrow, will simply concede defeat.

There’s no mystery whatsoever as to why this process has failed so spectacularly. While the media will cling to the frame it feels obligated to push — “both sides” are always to blame for everything — any fair examination at what’s transpired shows otherwise.

Consider what the Democratic chair of the super-committee said this morning.

Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) was not optimistic Sunday, saying the Bush tax cuts remained the “sticking divide” preventing the supercommittee from reaching a deal to reduce the federal deficit by at least $1.2 trillion over the next 10 years.

“There is one sticking divide, and that is the issue of what I call shared sacrifice. Where everybody contributes at a very challenging time for our country,” she said on CNN’s “State of the Union,” referring to the Bush tax cuts. “The wealthiest of Americans, those who earn over $1 million a year, have to share too. There’s that line in the sand, and there aren’t any Republicans willing to cross it.”

Democrats have been willing to do just about anything to succeed. Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) admitted this morning that super-committee Dems “put every single sacred cow on the table” in order to help reach an agreement, suggesting major entitlement reforms were very much a part of the mix.

But a deal would have required Republicans accept some tax increases. Indeed, the basics of a debt-reduction deal have always been painfully obvious: Dems would accept spending cuts, Republicans would accept new revenue, and the two sides would haggle over the ratio.

Except that proved impossible, not only because Republicans refused to consider any tax increases on any one, but because those same Republicans actually decided to use the super-committee process as a vehicle to push for more tax cuts — which necessarily would have created more debt, not less, and make the goal harder, not easier, to reach.

At a certain level, the very idea of including Bush-era tax breaks in the discussion probably seems bizarre to anyone outside the GOP caucus. The panel’s members were given one task: reach a deal on debt reduction that totaled at least $1.2 trillion over the next decade. With this assignment in mind, Republicans on the committee, from the outset, decided that their principal goal was locking in tax cuts that (a) are largely responsible for the massive debt; and (b) would make the debt much worse going forward.

This underscores why failure was inevitable: the parties can’t reach an agreement if they’re not even having the same conversation.

What was the purpose of the super-committee? Ostensibly, it was supposed to reach a bipartisan agreement to reduce the debt. That was the description on the page, and that’s the mandate that drove Democratic efforts.

Republicans saw it differently. The point, they said, is to reduce the size of government.

It’s hard to overstate how easy this would have been if two mainstream political parties simply wanted to find $1.2 trillion in savings over the next 10 years. A straightforward blueprint requiring some modest concessions from both sides could have been worked out in an afternoon. Indeed, before the radicalization of the Republican Party, policymakers have done this many times.

In the five fiscal grand bargains of the 1980s and early 1990s, tax increases accounted for an average of 61 cents of every dollar saved. In fact, in President Reagan’s 1982 and 1984 budget-trimming deals, more than 80 percent of deficit reductions came from tax increases. What’s more, the deals passed with majority support from both parties. Mr. Reagan may be remembered as an antitax hero, but he actually raised taxes 11 times over the course of his presidency, all in the name of fiscal responsibility.

Any suggestion that Republicans have always been as irresponsible as they are now is simply not true. The GOP used to be quite sincere about fiscal responsibility.

It’s difficult to imagine today, but taxing the rich wasn’t always a major flash point of American political life. From the end of World War II to the eve of the Reagan administration, the parties fought over social spending — Democrats pushing for more, Republicans demanding less. But once the budget was fixed, both parties saw taxes as an otherwise uninteresting mechanism to raise the money required to pay the bills. Eisenhower, Nixon and Ford each fought for higher taxes, while the biggest tax cut was secured by John F. Kennedy, whose across-the-board tax reductions were actually opposed by the majority of Republicans in the House. The distribution of the tax burden wasn’t really up for debate: Even after the Kennedy cuts, the top tax rate stood at 70 percent — double its current level. Steeply progressive taxation paid for the postwar investments in infrastructure, science and education that enabled the average American family to get ahead.

That party is long gone.

The conventional wisdom tells us Republicans are desperate to reduce the deficit and address the debt. This obviously isn’t true — if it were, they would stop demanding more tax breaks and start accepting more increases.

Rather, Republicans are desperate to reduce the size of government, and are using a massive deficit — which the GOP is largely responsible for creating — as an excuse to do what they want to do anyway.

The conditions offer a compelling pretense, but that’s really all it is. The changes Republican officials are pushing are the same changes the party wants regardless of fiscal circumstances.

It’s why GOP members of the super-committee demanded $3.7 trillion in tax breaks, moving in the opposition direction of the committee’s goals. It’s also why the House Republicans’ budget, as crafted by Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), claimed to be focused on deficit reduction, but actually added $6 trillion to the debt over the next decade, due entirely to the GOP’s demands for more tax cuts.

Why would anyone cut taxes while trying to reduce the deficit? They wouldn’t, unless deficit reduction wasn’t really the point.

Given all of this, of course the super-committee failed. It had to. Democrats were trying to reduce the debt; Republicans were trying to shrink the government. The parties even agreed on the goal, making agreement on the solution literally impossible.

Steve Benen is a contributing writer to the Washington Monthly, joining the publication in August, 2008 as chief blogger for the Washington Monthly blog, Political Animal.

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  • SW on November 20, 2011 11:34 AM:

    Everything, all of the bullshit that we've been getting from the Republicans since Obama was elected has been focused on one over riding goal. Preserving the budget busting Bush tax cuts.

    And the Democrats have played into their hands by breaking them thing good Bush tax cuts "on the middle class" and bad Bush tax cuts 'on the wealthy'.

    That was the Democrats big mistake. They need to target and eliminate ALL of the Bush tax cuts. ALL of the Bush tax cuts.

    Then, after ALL of the Bush tax cuts have been eliminated, they can vote for targeted Obama tax cuts if they feel they are appropriate. But the first order of business is to use the sunset provision in the current law to eliminate ALL of the Bush tax cuts. Period. Full Stop, no excuses. That needs to be the Democratic position. No ambiguity. Shape up assholes!

  • kevo on November 20, 2011 11:36 AM:

    Yet another instance where the GOP shows its true concern - gaining and welding power. Power is the only thing the Republican brand is serious about. Everything else is window dressing.

    The Republican brand is bought and paid for by our 1% brethren! -Kevo

  • c u n d gulag on November 20, 2011 11:52 AM:

    The argument for/against government used to be:
    Democrats - "Tastes GREAT!"
    Republicans - "Less FILLING!"

    Now, it's:
    Republicans - "NO MORE F'IN BEER!"
    Democrats - "OK, but can we at least keep some of the foam?"

    The same mentality that lead to 'The Prohibition' for alcohol, is now behind the prohibition for government.

    And we all know how well that went.

    I need a drink...


  • stormskies on November 20, 2011 12:04 PM:

    And exactly how many in the corporate media has pointed out that the Repiglican plan would actually increase the deficit thus our national debt ? Zero. The corporate media of course is part of the 1 percent, bought and paid for by the Corporations that own the media. So they pay corporate cum sluts like Brain Williams 15 million a year to read for twenty minutes what is prepared for him to read. And what is prepared for him to read, as the rest of the corporate media, is the corporate propaganda that is megaphoned repeatedly until it becomes the 'reality' for a vast amount of stupid Americans. So of course America is not told about the actual reality of the Repiglican plans that would lead to an increase of the deficit and national debt.

  • hells littlest angel on November 20, 2011 12:16 PM:

    Since this "super-committee" was a stupid idea from the outset, in what way is its inability to function a failure?
    All those "mandatory" spending cuts that are about to be "triggered"? Never. Gonna Happen.

  • James on November 20, 2011 12:20 PM:

    In truth, "Failure" is the preferred option. "Failure" preserves social insurance and health care for the poor, disabled, and elderly, and preserves the prospect that the Bush tax cuts will expire. Those elements alone will reduce the deficit far more than any deal they would have cut. And, we have the additional prospect of at least minimal cuts to the bloated DoD budget.

    What's not to like?

  • mellowjohn on November 20, 2011 12:21 PM:

    i still feel (hope?) that the dems were operating on the assumption that they could put almost any offer on the table, because – if it included any significant revenue increase – it would be automatically rejected by the republican'ts.

  • SYSPROG on November 20, 2011 12:23 PM:

    SW...I agree with your sentiments. LET THEM ALL EXPIRE and then RE-VOTE on good taxes. It's a win-win. The Dems get higher taxes and the GOP gets to rewrite the tax code. OK. BUT...the problem with the super committee is that IF they fail, it is not just the tax cuts that will expire. BIG cuts to entitlements will also ensue. People can't WAIT for a re-vote on those. Defense will be cut (not a bad thing IMO) BUT Congress will spend all their time and money trying to convince the voters that we are NOT SAFE if that happens. I actually don't think the Dems have done a bad job in this debate in the SC. It's just that the GOP is intractable and the media won't show the nuance.

  • TCinLA on November 20, 2011 12:25 PM:

    And who was explaining all this to the American people on "Face The Nation" this morning? Pat Toomey and Joe Manchin, a whack-job wingnut and a conservative Republican. Why can't they ever have real Democrats on that show?

  • sjw on November 20, 2011 12:32 PM:

    Yes, failure is now the best option.

    And, as the writers stated above, let ALL the Bush tax cuts expire, and then come back with targeted tax cuts later.

    But let me make what I think is a crucial point: OBAMA needs to be the central spokesperson for the Democratic position and he needs to carry the Democrats' side of the conversation. So far, in my view, he hasn't done that. What that means in practice is daily appearances and harsh language. However, Obama, so far at least, has shied away from a fight. And has appeared wimpy as a result. Indeed even a supporter like me is thinking he's a wimp. If he wants Independents, he'll have to change.

  • stormskies on November 20, 2011 12:45 PM:

    That "Face the Nation" charade hosted by Bush's gold buddy Schiefer has had on nothing but Repiglicans for the past four weeks and, now, he put on one Democrat who really isn't one ... Welcome to the one percent called the Corporate Media ...

  • robert on November 20, 2011 12:51 PM:

    The entire debt ceiling debate was a failure for our side-the debt ceiling increase should have been made part of the Budget Deal six months earlier- but, (who saw this coming?)when the SuperDuperGang fails, WE WIN! We have snatched some small victory from the drooling jaws of defeat. Happy Thanksgiving.

  • SYSPROG on November 20, 2011 1:01 PM:

    I don't believe that the President 'has shied away from a fight', SW. It was the SC's 'mandate' to find a solution. That meant it was CONGRESS that was supposed to do their job. If Obama had been part of the negotiations THEN we would have heard the whining and sniveling about the 'bully pulpit'...and the 'talks' would have collapsed much sooner. However, YOUR little rant about 'independents' is the GOP talking point this morning on the Sunday shows. It just shows how the President can't do anything that you won't take both sides on.

  • Desraye on November 20, 2011 1:13 PM:

    "BIG cuts to entitlements will also ensue."

    Social Security and Medicaid are excluded.

    "So far, in my view, he hasn't done that. What that means in practice is daily appearances and harsh language. However, Obama, so far at least, has shied away from a fight."

    The man that went to the GOP Retreat and handed them their head on a platter. The man that invited Paul Ryan to sit up front while he torn into that bullshit plan that Ryan had purpose. The man that sent the SEALS to get OBL. And Obama weak?

  • square1 on November 20, 2011 1:28 PM:

    Democrats have been willing to do just about anything to succeed. Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) admitted this morning that super-committee Dems “put every single sacred cow on the table” in order to help reach an agreement, suggesting major entitlement reforms were very much a part of the mix.

    Sadly, this is true. I now have to hope that Republicans continue to refuse to take yes for an answer.

  • biggerbox on November 20, 2011 1:34 PM:

    NPR was so afraid they might accidentally not be "balanced" enough this morning that they weren't even capable of reporting more than "both sides" were on the Sunday talk shows and accused each other of being the problem.

    That's right. They are now covering major national events in terms of who said what on Sunday morning TV.

    I have a feeling no one in the country who doesn't read a blog will understand what happened here.

  • sjw on November 20, 2011 1:43 PM:

    Ms/Mr Sysprog: Geez, chill, won't you? I have never taken two sides on Obama, nor am I two-faced: I've been arguing the same for a full two years now. Obama's problematic leadership, i.e., being out front and vocal and even passionate and persistent on issues, has long been noted by progressives, among whom I count myself (I even have socialist sympathies, for what it's worth). Obviously if Obama has people like me uncertain about him, then those in the political center are even less likely to vote for him: it's Politics 101, not a GOP talking point.

  • bigtuna on November 20, 2011 2:20 PM:

    Didn't Obama already flush them out with his proto grand bargain scheme? Sure it had some taxes in it, but they had a Dem president offer huge program cuts. And... it was rejected. My money is on the interpretation that this so-called bargain was a ploy - and shows that anything Obama supports will be opposed by the coropro-pulicans and the pluto-crat fellow travellers. [ALthough I do think Obama is at best a centrist on budget issues].

    And, why should Obama be invoved at this point? Everyone who contributes to this blog all knew the supercomm. was a loser idea. [btw - why are so many of the posters here months ahead of everyone else in terms of seening what is going on?] Why associate with it? It gives him room to run against a do-nothing congress. This was a stupid ass congressional idea, to supposedly accomplish what congress is supposed to do - originate spending and taxation bills. It was a big stinking steaming pile of shit from the get go, and there would be 0 point in even being associated with it.

  • Rick B on November 20, 2011 2:57 PM:

    The key is that the wealthy 1% have taken control of the Republican Party in the guise of a "conservative" movement. The proof of that is the demand that the inheritance tax be abolished so that wealthy families can perpetuate their social position as Aristocrats.

    This is exactly the same position as the French Aristocrats took prior to the French Revolution. Those aristocrats owned the land and in spite of doing nothing economically useful collected rents from the peasants who actually worked the land.

    Because they collected unearned rents, they had the money to lend to farmers who needed it for seed and such. When the crops came in they took usurious interest rates for lending. It is a process that creates an aristocracy in every agricultural nation.

    Today we have a few massive banks taking the same unearned rent. The fact that 40% of American corporate profits come from the banks who are not performing any work of economic value tells the whole story.

    The Republicans are working hard to use every disaster (most of which they create themselves) to change America from a middle class nation into a Latin American nation of aristocrats who collect unearned rents and service workers.

    Was shipping the powerful and remunerative industrial jobs out to third world nations part of this process, since it has effectively removed unions from the political process?

  • Skip on November 20, 2011 3:12 PM:

    sjw @ 12:32 "If he wants Independents, he'll have to change."

    Acknowledging your post and posing a question in return.

    If Obama doesn't change to suit, what's the Independent stance then? Will you be voting for the Republican instead of Obama? Or will you be one of the stay-at-homes on election day whose lack of voting may well allow a Republican victory?

    I doubt you mean to say that the party with the best message will earn the vote of the Independents. Sure, the right's message is loud and lock-stepped and ever so nicely crafted, but I think we're all pretty clear, Indies included, on it's viral lack of honesty or depth.

    Obama may not be as communicative as we, his followers would like, but what do we know about how the WH is operating away from the public eye. Every word he speaks is co-oped as ammunition for the right as it is. Perhaps the less said the better.

    I believe Obama is worth standing behind because the man's actions, worth so much more than words of any kind, have that visible degree of moral and ethical substance missing from all those carefully crafted overly-loud messages of the entire Republican party.

    I'm not sure the Indies are thinking but you all do realize what a Republican victory next year would mean for the US, right?

  • Rick B on November 20, 2011 3:27 PM:

    @sjw 1:43 PM

    I have also blamed Obama for his absence of leadership, but I am beginning to doubt that is a fair complaint. Let me try this out on you.

    Obama does not have a majority of support for his policies such that he can take a Democratic position generally. He has to instead take each issue and try to build a separate majority for that issue. But every issue creates opponents. If he takes a strong leadership position, then the next separate issue faces its own opponents as well as those left over from the previous issue.

    So what he is doing is getting Congress to make the decisions while keeping his hands off the decisions publicly. Privately he is working through the Democratic leadership in Congress. This will allow each issue to be worked out without also having to take on the lightening rod of automatic anti-Obama opponents also. As bigtuna pointed out above "...anything Obama supports will be opposed by the coropro-pulicans and the pluto-crat fellow travellers. "

    I think that is what we saw with the ACA and I think that is why we do not get Obama taking public positions on legislation very much. It has the unfortunate side effect of making Obama appear (in the media) as out of the loop and weak. If you and I were not uncertain about him it would not work.

  • jjm on November 20, 2011 3:44 PM:

    I think @bigtuna is correct in his or her assessment of what Obama did once the Tea Party GOP took over the House.

    That "Grand Bargain" was a magnificent tactic, if you think about it. Although I only saw the details once in the newspaper, his 'cuts' to Medicare on offer were regarding the huge subsidies it now offers to insurance companies, and part D. But of course, the papers only touted 'Dems offer cuts to Medicare." Great. The GOP was never going accept those 'cuts' in exchange for being able to point fingers at the Dems for 'cutting' Medicare. It was intelligent on Obama's part.

    The other thing is this: yesterday Gingrich called for getting rid of janitors' unions, and employing 'poor kids' instead, i.e., scrapping child labor laws. So @Rick B is clearly correct in his assessment of where the GOP is so nonchalantly trying head us.

    Finally, there's that memo Chris Hayes found on proposing to the American Bankers Association ways to stop the Democrats from winning in 2012, discredit in a high profile way OWS, and keep the GOP in power: in order to protect the big banks and Wall Street. It was openly partisan, claiming that if the Dems win in 2012, even the ardent protectors of the banks/WS will start to jump ship. They plan particularly to target any Democratic candidate who has expressed sympathy for OWS, a list that actually includes Obama and Biden.

    If any of the many trolls who visit sites like this start in with the 'Obama is for Wall Street" or "Obama is a bankster" remember this memo, please.

  • Ron Byers on November 20, 2011 4:58 PM:

    The Democrats are losing this round because the dumbass media has elected to claim that the Republicans did offer revenue enhancements but the Democracts wouldn't budge. Of course, the "revenue enhancements" offered were focused on removing the last remaining middle class tax goodies like serious changes to the mortgage interest deduction.

    Way to go dumbass media. Way to go.

  • Rudy Gonzales on November 20, 2011 5:02 PM:

    If the Democrats are smart they will propose their own Pentagon savings plan with tax enhancements well attached and let that go to conference/committee. The deficit was caused by two wars not paid for, huge tax breaks for the wealthiest people in this country, and a recession as a result of the greed, recklessness and illegal behavior on Wall Street, along with the current Congress' in-activity in generating jobs as they promised in 2010!

  • nerd on November 20, 2011 5:06 PM:

    I don't get it.

    For the past 30 years Republicans have grown the deficit whenever in power.

    Dick Cheney famously said "Deficits don't matter."

    It has been debated that the objective of Republicans is to grow the deficit to hamper Democrats' ability to expand non-defense programs.

    Now the 'super committee', which was created with the intent to shrink the deficit, is being coopted by the Republicans in an attempt to ensure a growing the deficit further by extending tax cuts which have brought government income to its lowest level in decades.

    Why is it no one with a megaphone is willing to point out the obvious?

  • Trollop on November 20, 2011 6:16 PM:

    Does not this foolery cut the military budget?! It's good medicine and it will infuriate the chickenhawks!

    The cut to the killing industry is long overdue..

    When violence erupts from such legislative ineptitude (by all legislators, mind you), I hope that there is an especially vicious end to conservatives, quasi-entertainers ("journalists"), generally stupid "Joe the fake plumber" Americans and the belief that you can get something for nothing and prey on the poor for your personal gain.

    What a nice idea.

  • Goldilocks on November 21, 2011 2:28 PM:

    Obama kept his distance and allowed members of the debt panel to work on a deal on their own because Republicans asked the president to stay away...
    which was a cunning plot by Republicans to eventually blame Obama for allowing the super-committee to fail by doing nothing so the president could run against a "do-nothing Congress." ... and blame Democrats for falsely blaming Republicans for accusing Obama of doing nothing so he could run against a "do-nothing Congress", basically by doing nothing (the Republicans, that is).

    - Or the other way round.

  • Tiller In Texas on November 21, 2011 6:15 PM:

    The GOP has to go...now!!

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